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Post by Value Buy on Jun 25, 2016 9:12:21 GMT -5
Mass media trying to control world outcomes have been 0 for 2 They never saw Trump winning. They said the exit people would lose. People are done taking shit from the elite. the media ENSURED his victory. the media loves Trump. i have no idea what you are talking about. The media has a love/hate relationship with him. They love to cover him. They hate him. Last night NBC National news did a hit report on him, reporting he was in Scotland promoting his golf course establishment and made the veiled suggestion he was almost there because of the Brexit vote. He was there for the golf course event, and Brexit happened to fall at the same time. Their bottom crawler stated Trump was promoting his golf club, as Britain was in turmoil as they were reporting, suggesting a scenerio of Nero playing music as Rome burned. Fair and balanced, they ain't
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Post by tallguy on Jun 25, 2016 9:47:30 GMT -5
To be fair, he did say that the fall in the British pound as a result of the vote would be good for business, including his golf course. And he was also saying the vote was a great thing...in Scotland....
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 25, 2016 11:33:52 GMT -5
the media ENSURED his victory. the media loves Trump. i have no idea what you are talking about. The media can't stop covering Mr. Trump. They don't "love him" by a longshot. you and i must have a different meaning for "the media" for that to be true for you. "can't stop covering" = "loving" from my perspective. edit: ditto to VB.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 25, 2016 12:13:36 GMT -5
Eh, I don't really see Brexit having anything to do with Trump getting elected. Mass media trying to control world outcomes have been 0 for 2 They never saw Trump winning. They said the exit people would lose. People are done taking shit from the elite. Yeah, and a guy with gold-plated bathrooms and gold-plated accessories on his private jet isn't elite..... Just a regular Joe....
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 25, 2016 14:17:30 GMT -5
I suppose so. However, the two goals aren't necessarily incompatible. Scaling back the size of the military and scale of foreign occupations can certainly be done at the same time that investments are made in research and tech upgrades. One thing I'll grant you is that I have no idea whether Mr. Trump means what he says. If by some miracle he's elected, I have no idea which sort-of-promises he'll keep. He's a lot like Ms. Clinton in that regard. Amorphous. A strong national defense does not go hand in hand with interventionism and nation-building. Trump's right that weakness is provocative. You want to send a clear signal that aggressor nations ought not mess with the United States. That being said, Trump's talk of going into the Middle East to defeat ISIS and take the oil, while refreshingly honest, is not something that excites me. Russia to a large extent is itching to return to super-power status, and they need oil. Waltzing in and grabbing middle eastern oil supplies would send the wrong message re: the morality of war for spoils. In short- if we do it, why shouldn't anyone else. It would be tragic if an Armageddon-like conflict broke out over middle east oil. Oil is a strong pull, a big motivator. Grabbing the oil could draw in other nations- even if reluctantly- because they have no choice once they see us do it. They'd be drawn like a fish with hooks in its jaws to the battle...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 25, 2016 14:20:17 GMT -5
Mass media trying to control world outcomes have been 0 for 2 They never saw Trump winning. They said the exit people would lose. People are done taking shit from the elite. Yeah, and a guy with gold-plated bathrooms and gold-plated accessories on his private jet isn't elite..... Just a regular Joe.... What I like about Trump is that it's all his. When people speak of elites- they aren't talking about private business owners like Trump. They're talking about people like Bill and Hillary Clinton who having never held private sector jobs, or done anything to earn it, have hundreds of millions of dollars all from the politics of personal profit. They aren't talking about Trump who raised $6 million for veterans, they're talking about Hillary who, never having had to perform to earn and keep her money gave seventy thousand dollars.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 25, 2016 14:27:39 GMT -5
Their problem is the same problem they had in the primaries where Trump swept 16 of their little darlings, while garnering a record-smashing all-time high GOP primary vote total of over 13,500,000 votes: there's simply no grassroots support for dumping Trump. In fact, when you look at the race- it's really got to be alarming for the establishment. The fact that they can barely maintain the illusion of a dead heat by oversampling Democrats in every battleground state after the week Trump has had...and of course, there's the lurking Monster Vote. I was wrong- it didn't turn out for Romney. I based my prediction on a gut feeling I had. The problem for the Democrats this time is that the numbers are there to support the Trump Tsunami. I will be available all day on the 9th for anyone that needs counselling. How can you be so sure they won't succeed with unbinding the delegates? That's not something Mr. Trump or Republican voters can prevent. Frankly, I don't think they have anything to lose. Mr. Trump is volatile and genuinely anti-establishment (notwithstanding the theory that he's running as a shill for Ms. Clinton), and the GOP heavies might legitimately consider a Trump presidency to be worse than the fallout from rigging the nomination. I don't think it will happen, but it's definitely something that Mr. Trump's supporters should be worried about. I think that if the GOP convention turns out to be as openly corrupt as to even attempt a move like this, there will be a revolt in this country the likes of which we haven't seen since the Civil War. Mind you, I'm not predicting violence. What I'm saying is that Trump will garner at that point- even the reluctant support of foes. It wasn't even successful, but my former Cruzers were so turned off by Cruz's brief failed alliance with the establishment to tee up a contested convention, that they went almost instantly from #NeverTrump to all in for Trump. The establishment fears Trump. And they should. Trump is not merely the candidate of a majority of voters, he is the blunt instrument of their retribution. Payday is coming in November, and anyone that tries to jack that up in Cleveland is going to face severe political consequences. If it happens, which I don't think it will- and if it succeeds which I think is nigh impossible- then I think what you'll have is a situation where Trump goes 3rd Party, there's a GOP candidate at 30%, Hillary at 30% and Trump at 40%.
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Post by dondub on Jun 25, 2016 14:51:17 GMT -5
Sorry, even Trump's campaign admitted over a month ago that they raised nothing close to $6M.
On another point...of course Americans consider Trump an elitist. He claims to be a multi-billionaire and obviously a 1%ER.
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Post by Opti on Jun 25, 2016 23:02:39 GMT -5
Yeah, and a guy with gold-plated bathrooms and gold-plated accessories on his private jet isn't elite..... Just a regular Joe.... What I like about Trump is that it's all his. When people speak of elites- they aren't talking about private business owners like Trump. They're talking about people like Bill and Hillary Clinton who having never held private sector jobs, or done anything to earn it, have hundreds of millions of dollars all from the politics of personal profit. They aren't talking about Trump who raised $6 million for veterans, they're talking about Hillary who, never having had to perform to earn and keep her money gave seventy thousand dollars. Try again. Most people are talking about Trump who has been an elite all of his life. He "earned" his by the birth lottery. Bill and Hillary had to get their degrees and be successful. No loans from the parents or a ready made business of Dad's to step into.
You really don't have much a connection with Joe and Jane regular folk, do you?
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 26, 2016 8:23:47 GMT -5
What I like about Trump is that it's all his. When people speak of elites- they aren't talking about private business owners like Trump. They're talking about people like Bill and Hillary Clinton who having never held private sector jobs, or done anything to earn it, have hundreds of millions of dollars all from the politics of personal profit. They aren't talking about Trump who raised $6 million for veterans, they're talking about Hillary who, never having had to perform to earn and keep her money gave seventy thousand dollars. Try again. Most people are talking about Trump who has been an elite all of his life. He "earned" his by the birth lottery. Bill and Hillary had to get their degrees and be successful. No loans from the parents or a ready made business of Dad's to step into.
You really don't have much a connection with Joe and Jane regular folk, do you?
You forgot Bill and Hillary's bribes and payoffs for you pay you play.
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Post by dondub on Jun 26, 2016 12:48:32 GMT -5
And all the murders and thousands of other crimes!
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Post by Opti on Jun 26, 2016 14:17:11 GMT -5
Try again. Most people are talking about Trump who has been an elite all of his life. He "earned" his by the birth lottery. Bill and Hillary had to get their degrees and be successful. No loans from the parents or a ready made business of Dad's to step into.
You really don't have much a connection with Joe and Jane regular folk, do you?
You forgot Bill and Hillary's bribes and payoffs for you pay you play. VB, that had nothing to do with what I was commenting on. If you want red herring, how about the Polish workers who weren't paid for doing Trump's building?
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ETA: If you think Trump hasn't used bribes and payoffs in his NY state real estate deals, well, naïve is the only kind word I can think of right now. Anything Trump accuses Hillary of, he has done more of and worse. Remember the saying - 'when you point a finger at someone, four fingers are pointing back at you.' , he and his supporters would be wise to reflect on that more than a moment.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 26, 2016 22:27:59 GMT -5
You posters are so jealous of Trump, you just can not keep from talking about him and what he has done.
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Post by dondub on Jun 27, 2016 11:17:09 GMT -5
You'll be voting for him.
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Post by Opti on Jun 28, 2016 9:37:21 GMT -5
Jealous, no. Concerned enough people will vote for the world class lying idiot Trump, yes.
If I was to aspire to be someone, it would be people like JK Rowling and George Clooney. But if you are jealous, own it.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 29, 2016 6:27:09 GMT -5
Jealous, no. Concerned enough people will vote for the world class lying idiot Trump, yes.
If I was to aspire to be someone, it would be people like JK Rowling and George Clooney. But if you are jealous, own it. I would have thought you could do better that that.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 29, 2016 6:29:13 GMT -5
Quinnipac poll had really interesting numbers this morning.
I will not go into to detail here. I want some people here to do their own homework, or wait for dj to give them the news.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 7:25:39 GMT -5
Most interesting fact is majority think neither will be s good president.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 29, 2016 8:44:26 GMT -5
Quinnipac poll had really interesting numbers this morning. I will not go into to detail here. I want some people here to do their own homework, or wait for dj to give them the news. I saw that. If the vote were held today: Ms. Clinton 68%, Mr. Trump 32%. I had no idea she'd widened her lead by so much.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 8:49:58 GMT -5
Quinnipac poll had really interesting numbers this morning. I will not go into to detail here. I want some people here to do their own homework, or wait for dj to give them the news. I saw that. If the vote were held today: Ms. Clinton 68%, Mr. Trump 32%. I had no idea she'd widened her lead by so much. That's not the new Q poll... the new Q poll has them within 2. Were you looking at a state poll? The new PPP in PA moved the agregate from .5 to Clinton to 2.5 to Clinton.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 29, 2016 8:57:16 GMT -5
That's not the new Q poll... the new Q poll has them within 2. Were you looking at a state poll? The new PPP in PA moved the agregate from .5 to Clinton to 2.5 to Clinton. Um... yeah. Thanks.
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Post by swamp on Jun 29, 2016 15:12:23 GMT -5
There is a high probability Rush Limbaugh is wrong. Yes, I'm doubting him.
Frankly, this election is like the South Park election, we're choosing between a turd sandwich and a giant douche.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 29, 2016 16:55:57 GMT -5
Limbaugh? The moron who recently asked "If humans evolved from apes. then why are there still apes?" That Limbaugh? Well, who could argue with an astute mind such as that?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 29, 2016 16:57:39 GMT -5
Every fourth grader can answer that.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 29, 2016 20:48:40 GMT -5
There is a high probability Rush Limbaugh is wrong. Yes, I'm doubting him.
Frankly, this election is like the South Park election, we're choosing between a turd sandwich and a giant douche. Mr. Limbaugh does have some ammunition in his camp this time. Nate Silver has been spectacularly wrong in predicting the rise of Donald Trump.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 29, 2016 21:03:32 GMT -5
There is a high probability Rush Limbaugh is wrong. Yes, I'm doubting him.
Frankly, this election is like the South Park election, we're choosing between a turd sandwich and a giant douche. Quite frankly, I resent giant douche for Hillary. Liar Deceitful Vengeful Owned by the NY banking industry And about ten other descriptions could apply. I can live with those adjectives. Giant douche is so sexist, from either of the sexes. Giant turd sandwich, not happy with that either, but is at least more representative of him
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