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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 22, 2016 13:46:32 GMT -5
Republican Operatives Launch All-Out Effort To Unbind Delegates, Deny Trump Nomination...
Over the past couple of days, the Washington Post, CNN and a whole host of other mainstream news outlets have been reporting on a new “last-ditch effort” that has been launched by Republican operatives to get the Republican convention Rules Committee to unbind all of the delegates and allow them to vote however they want. As you will see below, they can do this, and if they get enough votes they will do it.
This current effort is different from what we have seen so far during this campaign season, because it is actually being organized by the delegates themselves. The following comes from the Washington Post… Dozens of Republican convention delegates are hatching a new plan to block Donald Trump at this summer’s party meetings, in what has become the most organized effort so far to stop the businessman from becoming the GOP presidential nominee.
The moves come amid declining poll numbers for Trump and growing concern among Republicans that he is squandering his chance to defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton. Several controversies — including his racial attacks on a federal judge, his renewed call to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the United States and his support for changing the nation’s gun laws — have raised fears among Republicans that Trump is not really a conservative and is too reckless to run a successful race. This movement is being spearheaded by a delegate from Colorado named Kendal Unruh. She is actually a key member of the Republican convention Rules Committee, and this is very important for reasons that I will explain below.
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Interesting. Political suicide, but interesting. Their problem is the same problem they had in the primaries where Trump swept 16 of their little darlings, while garnering a record-smashing all-time high GOP primary vote total of over 13,500,000 votes: there's simply no grassroots support for dumping Trump. In fact, when you look at the race- it's really got to be alarming for the establishment. The fact that they can barely maintain the illusion of a dead heat by oversampling Democrats in every battleground state after the week Trump has had...and of course, there's the lurking Monster Vote. I was wrong- it didn't turn out for Romney. I based my prediction on a gut feeling I had. The problem for the Democrats this time is that the numbers are there to support the Trump Tsunami. I will be available all day on the 9th for anyone that needs counselling. How can you be so sure they won't succeed with unbinding the delegates? That's not something Mr. Trump or Republican voters can prevent. Frankly, I don't think they have anything to lose. Mr. Trump is volatile and genuinely anti-establishment (notwithstanding the theory that he's running as a shill for Ms. Clinton), and the GOP heavies might legitimately consider a Trump presidency to be worse than the fallout from rigging the nomination. I don't think it will happen, but it's definitely something that Mr. Trump's supporters should be worried about.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 22, 2016 13:56:32 GMT -5
That's o.k. My opinion hasn't changed in that amount of time.
BTW, anyone catch the news story this morning on the television that every 1 out of 6 dollars being donated to the Trump campaign is being funneled to one of his companies? What do you all think of that? (I always suspected if he became POTUS, he'd try to change laws primarily to benefit his own companies, instead of helping the American citizens.)
I don't think Crooked Hillary or the Democrats want to start a discussion about money being funneled places. The Bill and Hillary Clinton Crime Family Foundation and Crooked Hillary laundering money through the State Department into their pockets is not something they need examined. ROTFLMAO! You're still calling her "Crooked Hillary", after demanding we refer to your hero as "Donald J. Trump? You're adorable.
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Post by dondub on Jun 22, 2016 14:15:22 GMT -5
So Paul is hoping for change! How precious.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 22, 2016 15:20:11 GMT -5
I don't think Crooked Hillary or the Democrats want to start a discussion about money being funneled places. The Bill and Hillary Clinton Crime Family Foundation and Crooked Hillary laundering money through the State Department into their pockets is not something they need examined. ROTFLMAO! You're still calling her "Crooked Hillary", after demanding we refer to your hero as "Donald J. Trump? You're adorable. I made no such demand.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 22, 2016 15:25:19 GMT -5
Their problem is the same problem they had in the primaries where Trump swept 16 of their little darlings, while garnering a record-smashing all-time high GOP primary vote total of over 13,500,000 votes: there's simply no grassroots support for dumping Trump. In fact, when you look at the race- it's really got to be alarming for the establishment. The fact that they can barely maintain the illusion of a dead heat by oversampling Democrats in every battleground state after the week Trump has had...and of course, there's the lurking Monster Vote. I was wrong- it didn't turn out for Romney. I based my prediction on a gut feeling I had. The problem for the Democrats this time is that the numbers are there to support the Trump Tsunami. I will be available all day on the 9th for anyone that needs counselling. How can you be so sure they won't succeed with unbinding the delegates? That's not something Mr. Trump or Republican voters can prevent. Frankly, I don't think they have anything to lose. Mr. Trump is volatile and genuinely anti-establishment (notwithstanding the theory that he's running as a shill for Ms. Clinton), and the GOP heavies might legitimately consider a Trump presidency to be worse than the fallout from rigging the nomination. I don't think it will happen, but it's definitely something that Mr. Trump's supporters should be worried about. They won't try, because they will re-assure themselves that they don't have to. They would much- MUCH- rather avoid being the ones that torpedoed Trump. Their dream scenario is to attach everything T.E.A. Party, and everything "far right" to Trump, declare their Goldwater II fears to have been justified, and their every action vindicated when (they believe) he loses. With the help of the media (which for some reason GOP elites still worship) they will be soothed- there's no Trump Tsunami coming. He'll lose, as predicted. They'll blame it on the- what did McCain call it? Nutty right or something like that?- and then it'll be RINO fest until the end of the country-- which will probably be months, not years after Hillary takes office. In reality, there's no accounting for the lack of complete collapse by now... And of course, when Trump wins- the inevitable collapse will be blamed on that glorious bastard, Donald J. Trump. Heads they win, tails we lose.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 22, 2016 15:31:52 GMT -5
ROTFLMAO! You're still calling her "Crooked Hillary", after demanding we refer to your hero as "Donald J. Trump? You're adorable. I made no such demand. Of course you didn't.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 22, 2016 15:43:42 GMT -5
At some point, it will dawn on the establishment that 15,000,000 2016 GOP voters that didn't show in 2012 did not get up off the couch to vote in the primary only to go back and sit on their hands for the general election. The next thing to dawn on them is that there will be no "implosion". There's no Romney this year riding around with his dog on the roof grumbling about the 47%, and not giving a shit about his employee's wife with cancer-- because Trump is simply not going to put up with that shit. Trump is not Bush. He is not McCain. He's not Romney. When Hillary runs off at the asshole she talks out of, Trump ain't gonna be kinder or gentler. Trump isn't going to be worried about setting a new tone and I don't think you're going to hear a lot about how wonderful or distinguished Obama's record is, or restoring honor and dignity to the White House. When someone says to Trump they're afraid of what will happen to this country if Hillary is elected, Trump is going to say, "You're fuckin' a right you should be scared. Every person in America ought to be afraid of what Crooked Hillary will do to this country." Because Trump knows damn well that this isn't a job interview where one applicant may do a marginally better job than the other. Hillary is the END. and when they say Trump doesn't care about his employees- one after the other after the other after the other will talk openly of the Donald J. Trump & family they know. At some point it may dawn on the establishment that Trump isn't our candidate, he's not just our party's nominee- he is our murder weapon. Enough voters are willing to nominate Trump as our hit man- our wrecking ball- our leg breaker. And these voters simply do not give a fuck what the downside is because though Trump is a gamble, Hillary is a sure thing. Hillary is certain destruction. Trump is possible destruction.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 22, 2016 15:44:25 GMT -5
Exactly. The third party candidate is Donald J. Trump. What's your point?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 22, 2016 15:51:01 GMT -5
Oh, and by the way- for my leftie friends here: every outlandish, nightmarish, ridiculously conceived notion of how nuts I am-- I'm a moderate compared to the Monster Vote that's coming. The Trump mob is going to dwarf anything seen in recent political memory. I don't use the word "tsunami" without purpose. The wave that's coming is going to sweep aside everything you hold dear in politics- much of what I hold dear, even. It's impossible to predict with precision what the aftermath is going to be, but Trump is going to have an electoral mandate like no president we've ever seen. Everything he promised that people assume will be difficult if he gets elected will be automatic after the size and scope of the Trump Tsunami begins to set in.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 22, 2016 16:06:10 GMT -5
In fairness, I think that's his point, right? Isn't he riffing on the Democratic version? Basically- yes. And having already neutralized the "woman card", he's now taking away the LGBTQ card. So says the news from the planet Drapus WC4U in the GN-z11 galaxy.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 22, 2016 18:00:09 GMT -5
Oh, and by the way- for my leftie friends here: every outlandish, nightmarish, ridiculously conceived notion of how nuts I am-- I'm a moderate compared to the Monster Vote that's coming. The Trump mob is going to dwarf anything seen in recent political memory. I don't use the word "tsunami" without purpose. The wave that's coming is going to sweep aside everything you hold dear in politics- much of what I hold dear, even. It's impossible to predict with precision what the aftermath is going to be, but Trump is going to have an electoral mandate like no president we've ever seen. Everything he promised that people assume will be difficult if he gets elected will be automatic after the size and scope of the Trump Tsunami begins to set in. Of course. It will be exactly like the Tea party tsunami.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 23, 2016 2:16:54 GMT -5
Some potential good news for Paul. Leading Antiwar Progressives Speak Favorably of Aspects of Trump’s Foreign PolicyUntil recently the progressive mind has been resolutely closed and stubbornly frozen in place against all things Trump.
But cracks are appearing in the ice. With increasing frequency over the last few months, some of the most thoughtful left and progressive figures have begun to speak favorably of aspects of Trump’s foreign policy. Let us hear from these heretics, among them William Greider, Glen Ford, John Pilger, Jean Bricmont, Stephen F. Cohen and William Blum. Their words are not to be construed as “endorsements,” but rather an acknowledgment of Trump’s anti-interventionist views, the impact those views are having and the alternative he poses to Hillary Clinton in the current electoral contest.
First, let’s consider the estimable William Greider, a regular contributor to The Nation and author of Secrets of the Temple. He titled a recent article for the Nation, “Donald Trump Could be The Military Industrial Complex’s Worst Nightmare: The Republican Front Runner is Against Nation Building. Imagine That.”
Greider’s article is brief, and I recommend reading every precious word of it. ...
Next, Glen Ford, the eloquent radical Left executive editor of Black Agenda Report, a superb and widely read outlet, penned an article in March 2016, with the following title: “Trump Way to the Left of Clinton on Foreign Policy – In Fact, He’s Damn Near Anti-Empire.” Ford’s piece is well worth reading in its entirety; here are just a few quotes :
“Trump has rejected the whole gamut of U.S. imperial war rationales, from FDR straight through to the present.”
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Could the anti-war vote turn out to be the Trump vote? Will Mr. Trump's anti-imperialist views awake "the monster"?
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 23, 2016 5:34:53 GMT -5
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 23, 2016 9:59:30 GMT -5
I suppose so. However, the two goals aren't necessarily incompatible. Scaling back the size of the military and scale of foreign occupations can certainly be done at the same time that investments are made in research and tech upgrades. One thing I'll grant you is that I have no idea whether Mr. Trump means what he says. If by some miracle he's elected, I have no idea which sort-of-promises he'll keep. He's a lot like Ms. Clinton in that regard. Amorphous.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 10:01:54 GMT -5
Scale back the military? Who will enforce and protect the king?
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 23, 2016 10:09:37 GMT -5
I suppose so. However, the two goals aren't necessarily incompatible. Scaling back the size of the military and scale of foreign occupations can certainly be done at the same time that investments are made in research and tech upgrades. One thing I'll grant you is that I have no idea whether Mr. Trump means what he says. If by some miracle he's elected, I have no idea which sort-of-promises he'll keep. He's a lot like Ms. Clinton in that regard. Amorphous. While there is money to be made with replacing things destroyed in war, continuous research and endless upgrades are very profitable endeavors.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 23, 2016 10:14:10 GMT -5
I suppose so. However, the two goals aren't necessarily incompatible. Scaling back the size of the military and scale of foreign occupations can certainly be done at the same time that investments are made in research and tech upgrades. One thing I'll grant you is that I have no idea whether Mr. Trump means what he says. If by some miracle he's elected, I have no idea which sort-of-promises he'll keep. He's a lot like Ms. Clinton in that regard. Amorphous. While there is money to be made with replacing things destroyed in war, continuous research and endless upgrades are very profitable endeavors. That's the way it's usually worked, necessity being the mother of invention. It doesn't mean the US has to operate this way. Military technologies can be developed and tested without any immediately foreseeable use.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 23, 2016 12:17:09 GMT -5
While there is money to be made with replacing things destroyed in war, continuous research and endless upgrades are very profitable endeavors. That's the way it's usually worked, necessity being the mother of invention. ... The military industrial complex has always done a great job of creating "necessity" for war preparation. A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.
Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.
In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.
Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.
The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present
and is gravely to be regarded.
Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.
It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society. Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 24, 2016 7:09:27 GMT -5
Did anyone see Trump's press conference this AM from Scotland? It was covered on MSN - bizzaro world.
He started the speech with two lines or so about 'this historic moment in the UK' although I couldn't tell if he was pro or anti Brexit.
Then he launches into an infomercial about his Scottish golf course - how he worked closely with the local historic society to make this happen, how they redid the big light house and there is now two 'fabulous' suites - 'the most fabulous suites in the world' in it, plus a restaurant at the bottom that is 'fabulous.' He included several references to his Mom, who was Scottish, and how she would fly over frequently with his sister, and how she ate at that very restaurant, etc etc. etc. MSN finally pulled away and said they would go back later for the Q and A session.
Very strange. In his new presidential persona, Trump is very low energy (or maybe it was jet lag). And here he was, at an international press conference, advertising his new golf course rather than commenting either on the US POTUS race or on Brexit. Maybe the strangest component - some young guy stands up right before Trump starts talking, saying he had the balls Trump asked for - red golf balls with white Nazi swastikas on them. He was of course escorted out, but how did he ever get in? Scary.
This confirms what I always thought, though - Trump doesn't want to be POTUS, he wants to run his company. That's what he does best and what he enjoys. Running for POTUS was just a marketing joke. A true politician would have seized on this opportunity of free air time in front of an international TV audience to plug his campaign. He would have said that the Brexit vote showed how ready everyone is for dramatic change from the status quo. Instead, Trump did what a good businessman does with free advertising - plugged his fabulous golf course.
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Post by Opti on Jun 24, 2016 7:38:08 GMT -5
Did anyone see Trump's press conference this AM from Scotland? It was covered on MSN - bizzaro world. He started the speech with two lines or so about 'this historic moment in the UK' although I couldn't tell if he was pro or anti Brexit. Then he launches into an infomercial about his Scottish golf course - how he worked closely with the local historic society to make this happen, how they redid the big light house and there is now two 'fabulous' suites - 'the most fabulous suites in the world' in it, plus a restaurant at the bottom that is 'fabulous.' He included several references to his Mom, who was Scottish, and how she would fly over frequently with his sister, and how she ate at that very restaurant, etc etc. etc. MSN finally pulled away and said they would go back later for the Q and A session. Very strange. In his new presidential persona, Trump is very low energy (or maybe it was jet lag). And here he was, at an international press conference, advertising his new golf course rather than commenting either on the US POTUS race or on Brexit. Maybe the strangest component - some young guy stands up right before Trump starts talking, saying he had the balls Trump asked for - red golf balls with white Nazi swastikas on them. He was of course escorted out, but how did he ever get in? Scary. This confirms what I always thought, though - Trump doesn't want to be POTUS, he wants to run his company. That's what he does best and what he enjoys. Running for POTUS was just a marketing joke. A true politician would have seized on this opportunity of free air time in front of an international TV audience to plug his campaign. He would have said that the Brexit vote showed how ready everyone is for dramatic change from the status quo. Instead, Trump did what a good businessman does with free advertising - plugged his fabulous golf course. I have not seen it. But if he used this historic occasion, no matter how exhausted he was, to be another Trump commercial - we have definitive proof he is in this purely for Trump and if he helps people its incidental. He does not want to win the Presidency, but he wants to milk the media coverage for as long as he can for the benefit of him, his companies, and most especially his wallet.
MO. But that's a glaring red flag from someone who already has a long history of being less than charitable and always looking for the angle that benefits him. Most politicians actually do want to make the world a better place. They may fail a lot, but at least they have that as a goal. I don't think Donald has a goal to help people. It might be the real reason a couple of his kids didn't make the primary votes. They know its all for show and the $$.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 24, 2016 7:54:24 GMT -5
Momentum will now flow to Trump due to Britain reaching for their Independence over the power structure. The Trump movement of we are not going to take it anymore is going worldwide! Mass media political wonks are going crazy this morning telling everyone the world is ending and how could Britain commit suicide like this. They got Trump wrong, and they got this vote wrong. People will not stand for the status quo.
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Post by movingforward on Jun 24, 2016 8:37:18 GMT -5
Eh, I don't really see Brexit having anything to do with Trump getting elected.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 24, 2016 9:12:48 GMT -5
Eh, I don't really see Brexit having anything to do with Trump getting elected. Mass media trying to control world outcomes have been 0 for 2 They never saw Trump winning. They said the exit people would lose. People are done taking shit from the elite.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 24, 2016 10:35:55 GMT -5
Did anyone see Trump's press conference this AM from Scotland? It was covered on MSN - bizzaro world. He started the speech with two lines or so about 'this historic moment in the UK' although I couldn't tell if he was pro or anti Brexit. Then he launches into an infomercial about his Scottish golf course - how he worked closely with the local historic society to make this happen, how they redid the big light house and there is now two 'fabulous' suites - 'the most fabulous suites in the world' in it, plus a restaurant at the bottom that is 'fabulous.' He included several references to his Mom, who was Scottish, and how she would fly over frequently with his sister, and how she ate at that very restaurant, etc etc. etc. MSN finally pulled away and said they would go back later for the Q and A session. Very strange. In his new presidential persona, Trump is very low energy (or maybe it was jet lag). And here he was, at an international press conference, advertising his new golf course rather than commenting either on the US POTUS race or on Brexit. Maybe the strangest component - some young guy stands up right before Trump starts talking, saying he had the balls Trump asked for - red golf balls with white Nazi swastikas on them. He was of course escorted out, but how did he ever get in? Scary. This confirms what I always thought, though - Trump doesn't want to be POTUS, he wants to run his company. That's what he does best and what he enjoys. Running for POTUS was just a marketing joke. A true politician would have seized on this opportunity of free air time in front of an international TV audience to plug his campaign. He would have said that the Brexit vote showed how ready everyone is for dramatic change from the status quo. Instead, Trump did what a good businessman does with free advertising - plugged his fabulous golf course. I have not seen it. But if he used this historic occasion, no matter how exhausted he was, to be another Trump commercial - we have definitive proof he is in this purely for Trump and if he helps people its incidental. He does not want to win the Presidency, but he wants to milk the media coverage for as long as he can for the benefit of him, his companies, and most especially his wallet.
MO. But that's a glaring red flag from someone who already has a long history of being less than charitable and always looking for the angle that benefits him. Most politicians actually do want to make the world a better place. They may fail a lot, but at least they have that as a goal. I don't think Donald has a goal to help people. It might be the real reason a couple of his kids didn't make the primary votes. They know its all for show and the $$.
What I found really funny on the Scottish golf course deal was that apparently Trump has been fighting tooth and nail with some of the neighbors, wanting to buy their properties and raze them because they are 'unsightly' and he doesn't want such piggishness around his lovely golf course. They showed some pictures of the 'piggish' hovels and they looked like regular lower middle/middle class homes. I think one had a satellite dish, but none of them looked bad, IMHO. Just regular middle income homes. But apparently Trump grew faint at the thought of his high class customers having to cast their eyes over some less than fabulous houses.
I wonder if Trump's voter base would think about Trump calling the kind of homes most of them probably live in 'piggish.' He says he's fighting for the middle class, but his actions speak louder than his words.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 24, 2016 10:40:59 GMT -5
Eh, I don't really see Brexit having anything to do with Trump getting elected. Mass media trying to control world outcomes have been 0 for 2 They never saw Trump winning. They said the exit people would lose. People are done taking shit from the elite. What has Trump ever done for the people?
Ask any of the cooks or waiters or busboys or caddies at one of his properties how much Trump cares about them.
Better yet, ask one of the contractors that he short changed in one of his 'deals' how much Trump cared about whether their business succeeded or failed. About a rat's ass, I would guess.
I don't think the American voter is stupid. Not the majority of them, anyway. The Dems just have to play back a few minutes of Trump in his press conference this morning droning on and on about his fabulous golf course to demonstrate to the voters what was really on Trump's mind this morning - and it wasn't Brexit.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 24, 2016 10:58:10 GMT -5
He had the nerve to show his face in Scotland again? www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/donald-trump-frosty-reception-scotland-broken-promises-golfThe bullying of local residents and failure to deliver on economic promises are perhaps the main reasons why the billionaire’s popularity rating in Scotland is at rock bottom. Former first minister Alex Salmond, who once enthusiastically welcomed the Trump development, now says the billionaire “couldn’t get elected the dog catcher” in Scotland. And as Trump steps up the rhetoric in his campaign to be president, with ideas such as banning all Muslims from the US, it is little wonder that Robert Gordon University in Aberdeen finally saw sense and stripped him of the ludicrous honorary degree he received in 2010. While there has been endless debate about the many outrageous statements that Trump has made during the presidential campaign, the events at the Menie estate prove that what Trump says and what he does are two very different things. Here he used his money and access to power and the media to intimidate ordinary people; he made outrageous promises to hoodwink the gullible (including, alas, the Scottish government); and he showed a breathtaking disdain for the environmental toll of his relentless pursuit of personal gain. It is a cautionary tale for Americans going to the ballot box in November, and for the people of Britain, who have lost, for ever, an irreplaceable part of our common natural heritage.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2016 18:24:19 GMT -5
Republican Operatives Launch All-Out Effort To Unbind Delegates, Deny Trump Nomination...
Over the past couple of days, the Washington Post, CNN and a whole host of other mainstream news outlets have been reporting on a new “last-ditch effort” that has been launched by Republican operatives to get the Republican convention Rules Committee to unbind all of the delegates and allow them to vote however they want. As you will see below, they can do this, and if they get enough votes they will do it.
This current effort is different from what we have seen so far during this campaign season, because it is actually being organized by the delegates themselves. The following comes from the Washington Post… Dozens of Republican convention delegates are hatching a new plan to block Donald Trump at this summer’s party meetings, in what has become the most organized effort so far to stop the businessman from becoming the GOP presidential nominee.
The moves come amid declining poll numbers for Trump and growing concern among Republicans that he is squandering his chance to defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton. Several controversies — including his racial attacks on a federal judge, his renewed call to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the United States and his support for changing the nation’s gun laws — have raised fears among Republicans that Trump is not really a conservative and is too reckless to run a successful race. This movement is being spearheaded by a delegate from Colorado named Kendal Unruh. She is actually a key member of the Republican convention Rules Committee, and this is very important for reasons that I will explain below.
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Interesting. Political suicide, but interesting. Their problem is the same problem they had in the primaries where Trump swept 16 of their little darlings, while garnering a record-smashing all-time high GOP primary vote total of over 13,500,000 votes: there's simply no grassroots support for dumping Trump. In fact, when you look at the race- it's really got to be alarming for the establishment. The fact that they can barely maintain the illusion of a dead heat by oversampling Democrats in every battleground state after the week Trump has had...and of course, there's the lurking Monster Vote. I was wrong- it didn't turn out for Romney. I based my prediction on a gut feeling I had. The problem for the Democrats this time is that the numbers are there to support the Trump Tsunami. I will be available all day on the 9th for anyone that needs counselling. Romney beat something like 8, and it did him no good at all.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2016 18:33:10 GMT -5
Eh, I don't really see Brexit having anything to do with Trump getting elected. Mass media trying to control world outcomes have been 0 for 2 They never saw Trump winning. They said the exit people would lose. People are done taking shit from the elite. the media ENSURED his victory. the media loves Trump. i have no idea what you are talking about.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 24, 2016 20:16:06 GMT -5
Mass media trying to control world outcomes have been 0 for 2 They never saw Trump winning. They said the exit people would lose. People are done taking shit from the elite. the media ENSURED his victory. the media loves Trump. i have no idea what you are talking about. The media can't stop covering Mr. Trump. They don't "love him" by a longshot.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 25, 2016 8:59:06 GMT -5
The military industrial complex has always done a great job of creating "necessity" for war preparation. A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.
Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.
In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.
Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.
The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present
and is gravely to be regarded.
Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.
It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society. Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961 I think you should look up the amount of deaths we had in those wars that were quoted (WWII and Korea) and ask yourself if the additional money to save lives is worth it - American lives. That is a ridiculous statement. Is this the kind of stuff you believe Bills? I didn't fact check this speech by the man who was a five-star general, Supreme Commander of Allied Forces in WWII, the first Supreme Commander of NATO, and who was finishing his eighth year as POTUS when he gave this speech in 1960.
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