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Post by Shooby on Jun 17, 2016 11:00:20 GMT -5
Yeah closet Rinos who we already know are Den wannabes. Who cares?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 17, 2016 15:35:17 GMT -5
Yeah closet Rinos who we already know are Den wannabes. Who cares? Exactly. 14 million new Republicans don't give a shit what the crusty old guard thinks, and they will more than cancel their votes out in November.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 17, 2016 15:36:01 GMT -5
Richard Armitage, the deputy secretary of state under former President George W. Bush, said he plans to vote for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump, Politico reported Thursday. The former Bush administration official is not the first GOPer to say he'd vote for Clinton over Trump. Top Republican donor Meg Whitman hinted at support for Clinton during a meeting last week, as did GOP advisor Max Boot, who called Clinton "vastly preferable to Trump.” www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-elder-says-hell-vote-for-clinton-trump-isnt-willing-to-learn/ar-AAh83QDThe era of Bush and Clinton is over. Just ask Little Jebby.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 17, 2016 15:48:54 GMT -5
Yeah closet Rinos who we already know are Den wannabes. Who cares? Your jaundiced idol is a Dem wannabe himself. He's certainly not a Republican. He's just a rude and vulgar, orange sh!t-disturber who will lose come November.
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Post by Shooby on Jun 17, 2016 17:07:40 GMT -5
Yeah closet Rinos who we already know are Den wannabes. Who cares? Your jaundiced idol is a Dem wannabe himself. He's certainly not a Republican. He's just a rude and vulgar, orange sh!t-disturber who will lose come November. If he's actually a Dem then what are you so freaked out about? Oh, so he is a Dem? And, some of you are calling him a racist, so then Dems must be racist then? Or, if he is a Dem then why do you want him to lose? Wouldnt it be win win either way? Not sure i understand your hysteria if you believe what you are saying.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 17, 2016 18:00:28 GMT -5
Your jaundiced idol is a Dem wannabe himself. He's certainly not a Republican. He's just a rude and vulgar, orange sh!t-disturber who will lose come November. If he's actually a Dem then what are you so freaked out about? Oh, so he is a Dem? And, some of you are calling him a racist, so then Dems must be racist then? Or, if he is a Dem then why do you want him to lose? Wouldnt it be win win either way? Not sure i understand your hysteria if you believe what you are saying. Hysteria? Not sure I understand your hyperbole. Why do I want him to lose? I thought I made it clear. He's a rude and vulgar, orange sh!t-disturber. He's going to insult every leader on the planet and draw us into several more wars.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 17, 2016 18:02:20 GMT -5
Just because he's a dem in sheeps clothing I have to like him? Do you like every single Republican? I doubt it.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 17, 2016 18:52:52 GMT -5
Shooby, do you like Paul Ryan? You HAVE to, because he's a Republican.
(I know you can't stand him)
So why the hell should I like that orange whack-job?
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Post by Shooby on Jun 17, 2016 19:20:04 GMT -5
Just because he's a dem in sheeps clothing I have to like him? Do you like every single Republican? I doubt it. Hells no! No, i can't stand Ryan or McCain or Graham or most of the establishment.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 17, 2016 19:33:54 GMT -5
Just because he's a dem in sheeps clothing I have to like him? Do you like every single Republican? I doubt it. Hells no! No, i can't stand Ryan or McCain or Graham or most of the establishment. So why should I like Trump?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 18, 2016 0:50:59 GMT -5
OK, so it's time for the advanced class on why Trump is going to beat Hillary like a drum.
First we learned about "linguistic kill shots" where Trump was able to brand people- and one of the reasons it worked so well is that he defined his opponents exactly the way his opponents did not want to be seen. He defined Jeb Bush as weak (weak, weak, weak was the start if you go back and listen-- he broke out "low energy" later on).
Next, I tried to explain the axiom that "a confused mind always says no". Trump's arguments are simple, and most people instantly and intuitively agree with them. Trump wants to build a wall. He says the illegal aliens sneaking into our country are ne'er do wells, and data backs it up. Everyone knows Trump is right- all the data back it up, however, once focused on the issue, the anecdotes are so plentiful (because he's right) they cannot be ignored. Just as Trump's critics were in full freak-out mode, we experienced the tragic murder of Kate Stienle by a career criminal illegal alien in cold blood in a sanctuary city. American voters still know 2+2=4. This issue isn't hard at all. Don't let human debris in. Deport them if they get past us. This guy was a known quantity- all of the arguments against Trump died with Kate. Sad, but true. Same with Orlando. After San Bernardino, Trump says, "You know, maybe we need to put a temporary hold on muslims coming into the US until we can get a handle on who's here, and why?" Everyone freaks out, and now we have Orlando- and I guarantee you simple wins over complex. Easy answers triumph over nuance.
Now, we'll get into the bigger picture stuff- how does Trump do it? What you have to understand is that this is not theory. At 69 years old, Trump isn't going to suddenly do something different. He's going to keep doing what has worked for him his whole life:
Step 1: Get noticed. In the 17 candidate field, Trump had to say things to keep himself in the headlines. He did not make "off the cuff" remarks. He picked issues, and then framed them in the most controversial way he could- rapists, murderers, and drug dealers are who is coming across the border illegally, end gun-free zones around schools, temporarily ban muslims from entering the country...
Step 2: Persuade the largest group of people you can- ignore, don't really care about the rest. Hispanics who might be turned off by trump, Muslims, and gun grabbers ain't gonna vote in the GOP primary. Forget 'em. Now, all politicians do this in every primary season, but Trump did it with gusto- with abandon.
Step 3: Remove threats one at a time, and start with the largest. This is the old adage that when you're up against a group ganging up on you, you hit first, hit hard, and you start with the biggest guy. Trump started with Bush. Then went on down the line.
Step 4: Define the terms of the engagement so that you're always winning, and your opponents are always losing. In 2016, the most important characteristics of a candidate have been defined by Trump: they should not be the recipients of huge campaign contributions, they should be an outsider, and political correctness is out the window. Which politicians running this year don't lose that fight? It was really brilliant.
Hillary Clinton COULD, if she didn't have shit for brains, and wasn't so paranoid and insecure, run a campaign about EXPERIENCE, since that's her strong suit. She could say she's been a Senator, Secretary of State- where she was there in the situation room when they got Osama bin Laden, while Trump was hosting a reality TV show- and really play that up. Instead, she's running a reactive campaign. What's worse, she backed herself into a corner in running a reactive campaign against Bernie Sanders who defined her the same way Trump did: same old politician we've always had. Insider. Part of the problem- honestly, I don't praise Obama much on policy, but as a political tactician- he's brilliant. Listen to Obama re-frame the discussion:Trump will not react. He's too smart for this, but did you catch what Obama did? Outsider, inexperienced = ignorance. Now, we know damn well Obama never once applied Locke (who inspired Franklin, Madison, Hamilton, Jefferson) in his policies, because to him they are anathema-- BUT, HE KNOWS WHO THEY ARE, and he KNOWS THEIR IDEAS. Trump hasn't got a damn clue, and most voters don't, either-- but it makes Obama sound smart, and Trump sound exactly like he doesn't want to be perceived: ignorant.
Hillary couldn't do that if her life depended on it. She expects a coronation. It's been difficult-- Hillary doesn't do difficult. Hillary doesn't relish rigorous debate the way Obama does. Hillary isn't really a fighter at all. Hillary is an old, low energy, entitled old hag- and mark my words, Trump will get around to painting her exactly as she is.
Trump's ideas are simple:
1. Make America Great Again- most voters believe we're on the wrong track. Trump says he wants to change that- voters agree. Because it's not hard, it's easy. Great again = good.
2. Illegal aliens murder, rape, bring drugs, guns, and other bad things with them and every thinking voter understands intuitively that it's true. Stop the bad people from coming in = good. Easy. Simple.
3. Some percentage of muslims want to kill us. Don't let more muslims in from what are basically war zones until we know who's already here. We see the Trojan Horse, we're not bringing it in. Keep islamic terrorists out = good. Easy. Not hard.
4. Fair trade- free trade is good, but it's got to be fair, and we have to put the interests of Americans first. American government looking out for Americans = good. Easy, not hard.
I could go on, but Trump's simple arguments and sensible policy responses to the mess we're in are appealing because they are easily understood, greatly desired, and simple.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 18, 2016 1:17:11 GMT -5
Simple arguments for simpletons? They'd have to be, wouldn't they?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 18, 2016 1:36:56 GMT -5
Hillary is 68 years old. Trump is 70 now. If Hillary is an old hag, then Trump is a feeble, impotent old geezer. Hillary will win, despite all your huffing and puffing.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 18, 2016 1:38:56 GMT -5
"shoo-in" The term derives from horse racing. When a horse is so fast that the jockey can shoo him in to win rather than riding him hard. This has been a public service announcement brought to you by the YMAM Foundation for Picky Grammar. LOL! I didn't know we had a YMAM Foundation for Picky Grammar! Why didn't somebody tell me? Are you anti-semantic, mmhmm? I didn't expect that from you.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 18, 2016 10:33:33 GMT -5
Simple arguments for simpletons? They'd have to be, wouldn't they? Again, I ask: is this news to you? We know voters vote mainly on personality, and emotion.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 18, 2016 10:47:20 GMT -5
Not at all. The American public is comprised muchly of idiots. (It would have to be to end up with someone like Trump as the nominee.) But even I can't get behind the idea that the total of right-wing idiots outnumbers the combined total of left-wing idiots and thinking people. Hence, Trump loses.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 18, 2016 11:19:34 GMT -5
Not at all. The American public is comprised muchly of idiots. (It would have to be to end up with someone like Trump as the nominee.) But even I can't get behind the idea that the total of right-wing idiots outnumbers the combined total of left-wing idiots and thinking people. Hence, Trump loses. You were here for the election (bad enough), and re-election (what the actual f***?!?) of Barack Obama, right? This doesn't have anything to do with ideology. Just as Obama's hope and change was not a "left wing" campaign; neither is "Make America Great Again" a "right wing" campaign. The mass of Trump supporters are a giant blob in the middle of the American electorate. In short, Trump support is non-ideological. It's populist, America-first, patriotic, etc. and even the vast majority of rank and file Democrats are Trump supporters. After Orlando-- no matter what you think happened in the wake of the radical islamist massacre there-- you are going to see a surge in support for Trump. Millions of Americans are going to wake up to the fact that Democrats simply do not care if you die. They have an agenda that isn't going to be obstructed by a few hundred dead Americans here and there. Disney has an alligator problem. They knew about it. They were warned explicitly, and suggestions were made to fence off areas, and post warnings to guests, but they fell on deaf ears. Similarly, Democrats have a radical islamist problem. They knew about it. They were warned explicitly. Suggestions were made to cordon them off and warn Americans, but they fell on deaf ears.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 18, 2016 11:43:04 GMT -5
Trump Quotes Following Orlando: America must unite the whole civilized world in the fight against Islamic terrorism, just like we did against communism in the Cold War. EASY to understand, and a reference for which there is EVIDENCE of a clear strategy, doubted at the time, which worked.When I am President, I pledge to protect and defend all Americans who live inside of our borders. Wherever they come from, wherever they were born, all Americans living here and following our laws will be protected. EASY, and comforting.The media talks about “homegrown,” terrorism, but Islamic radicalism, and the networks that nurture it, are imports from overseas. EASY and intuitively understood by everyone.Yes, there are many radicalized people already inside our country as a result of the poor policies of the past. But the whole point is that it will be much, much easier to deal with our current problem if we don’t keep on bringing in people who add to the problem. EASY to understand, and everyone agrees. (In your heart, you know he's right  For instance, the controversial Mosque attended by the Boston Bombers had as its founder an immigrant from overseas charged in an assassination plot. A preponderance of the evidence is all that's required in politics. Again- easy and intuitively understood by everyoneThis shooter in Orlando was the child of an immigrant father who supported one of the most repressive regimes on Earth. Why would we admit people who support violent hatred? Easy- a question that answers itself.So whether it’s matter of national security, or financial security, we can’t afford to keep on going like this. We owe $19 trillion in debt, and no longer have options. All our communities, from all backgrounds, are ready for some relief. This is not an act of offense against anyone; it is an act of defense. I want us all to work together, including in partnership with our Muslim communities. But Muslim communities must cooperate with law enforcement and turn in the people who they know are bad – and they do know where they are. I want to fix our schools, roads, bridges and job market. I want every American to succeed. Hillary Clinton wants to empty out the Treasury to bring people into the country that include individuals who preach hate against our own citizens. I want to protect our citizens – all of our citizens. Vastly simpler, and easier to agree with than Hillary and Obama's long-winded, convoluted answers to the slaughter of innocents by an islamic radical.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 18, 2016 11:52:02 GMT -5
“I join Americans in praying for the victims of the attack in Orlando, their families and the first responders who did everything they could to save lives.
OK. But most Americans want to know what the hell you plan to do after we get done with the obligatory prayers, candlelight vigils, and hashtags?
“This was an act of terror. Law enforcement and intelligence agencies are hard at work, and we will learn more in the hours and days ahead. For now, we can say for certain that we need to redouble our efforts to defend our country from threats at home and abroad. That means defeating international terror groups, working with allies and partners to go after them wherever they are, countering their attempts to recruit people here and everywhere, and hardening our defenses at home. It also means refusing to be intimidated and staying true to our values.
The law enforcement that's hard at work- is that the same law enforcement that missed an obvious islamist terrorist after two interviews and numerous following reports to the FBI of suspicious behavior? How would "allies and partners" have helped us? We missed it. Countering attempts to recruit? We let his radical islamist father into the country. You don't have to recruit when you roll out the welcome mat. Hardening defenses? What the fuck does that mean? Maybe nightclubs will be like the airport, and we'll hit a max of two joints when we bar hop because it takes two hours to get through security? This is the usual vague, obligatory, meaningless politician drivel- pull the string on any politician's back, and they all spout the same shit.
“This was also an act of hate. The gunman attacked an LGBT nightclub during Pride Month. To the LGBT community: please know that you have millions of allies across our country. I am one of them. We will keep fighting for your right to live freely, openly and without fear. Hate has absolutely no place in America.
Pride month? Who decided that? Oh, right- the same people that let people like the San Bernardino killers and this guy's father in the country. A lot of gays are starting to wonder whose side you're on, because it has come to light that we can no longer be on both.
“Finally, we need to keep guns like the ones used last night out of the hands of terrorists or other violent criminals. This is the deadliest mass shooting in the history of the United States and it reminds us once more that weapons of war have no place on our streets.
Gun control? Huge mistake. Even under the best of circumstances- gun control = defeat in elections. And unrelated.
“This is a time to stand together and resolve to do everything we can to defend our communities and country.”
More vague, non-specific, meaningless clap trap. Voters have lost the patience to wait around to see what she means by this. They're going with Trump. Watch and see.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 18, 2016 14:18:45 GMT -5
Great. So, only 15% are "radicalized" that makes... 900,000 potential threats. At the time Great Britain was dealing with the worst of the leftist IRA terror, there were roughly 100 active IRA "soldiers"... TRUMP makes more sense every day. according to the DOD estimates, it is closer to .003% 200 seems like a manageable number of threats.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 18, 2016 14:19:46 GMT -5
... Great. So, only 15% are "radicalized" that makes... 900,000 potential threats. At the time Great Britain was dealing with the worst of the leftist IRA terror, there were roughly 100 active IRA "soldiers"... TRUMP makes more sense every day. Or more the reason not to alienate the other 5,100,000. alienation is a root cause for radicalization.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 18, 2016 14:22:32 GMT -5
If you don't believe in the Monster Vote, just wait. If you don't think that the events in Orlando will have political consequences- namely that it will greatly benefit Trump as millions of Americans, especially those on the left in the LGBTQ community who now realize that the Democrats have chosen radical islam over them, you're nuts. Log cabin Republicans is going to explode. So much for that bold statement. Why would a class of people, discriminated for hundreds of years and even still today, discriminate against another class of people just because of a very small minority. Why would a class of people who have been harassed, beaten and killed by non-Muslim Americans for hundreds of years discriminate against another class of people. Trump Casts Himself as Gay-Rights Champion After Orlando ShootingBut the Log Cabin Republicans—along with other major gay-rights groups—oppose Mr. Trump’s immigration plans. When Mr. Trump announced his proposal in December after the terrorist attacks in San Bernardino, Calif., the Log Cabin Republicans said he was “inciting the politics of fear.” The reaction from other gay-rights leaders and gay Republicans to Mr. Trump’s avowed support ranges from disdain to skepticism. “He has no shame,” said Jay Brown, spokesman for the Human Rights Campaign, which has endorsed Mrs. Clinton. Many gay people are also Muslims, Latinos and women, said Mr. Brown, adding, “We are the very people around whom he has built an entire campaign belittling and maligning at every turn.” Trump Casts Himself as Gay-Rights Champion After Orlando ShootingOnion?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 18, 2016 14:24:27 GMT -5
Meanwhile, poll out today says that 63% of American women will never vote for Trump, and Hillary is now leading him in double digits.
I'm sure this is just some elaborate feint that Trump has engineered right before he wows everyone at the convention and gallops to November to win in a landslide, though.
I don't doubt that, ever. Hillary Clinton will not defeat Donald Trump. I don't care what the polls do. I've given you the numbers, and explained why polling that is making past election assumptions to extrapolate a conclusion are wrong. Reagan was down double digits at this point. In fact, Reagan was down 5% with 30 days to go. He beat Carter by 10% in a landslide. Now, you can believe there was a 10% swing in 30 days, but we both know the real answer is that Carter never was winning, and never had a chance. Hillary has less of a shot than Jimmy Carter. there you go again, doubting the polls. will you ever learn?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 18, 2016 14:27:32 GMT -5
Meanwhile, poll out today says that 63% of American women will never vote for Trump, and Hillary is now leading him in double digits.
I'm sure this is just some elaborate feint that Trump has engineered right before he wows everyone at the convention and gallops to November to win in a landslide, though.
I don't doubt that, ever. Women love him. he will be the best president for women ever.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 18, 2016 14:28:58 GMT -5
"shoo-in" The term derives from horse racing. When a horse is so fast that the jockey can shoo him in to win rather than riding him hard. This has been a public service announcement brought to you by the YMAM Foundation for Picky Grammar. LOL! I didn't know we had a YMAM Foundation for Picky Grammar! Why didn't somebody tell me? of course we do. i am an adjunct member.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 18, 2016 14:34:27 GMT -5
Of all the things to fault Ms. Clinton for, sticking by her husband, honouring her marriage vows in spite of his betrayal and indiscretions, shouldn't be one of them. I don't even fault her for trying to conceal the mess and save her family the public embarrassment. Mr. Trump? ... ... He's not as bad as some of the European politicians. That's technically something in his favour. i really don't get the angle that Trump is pursuing on this. it is CONSERVATIVE to stick by your husband, and to work through your difficulties. the liberal thing is to take him to divorce court and take him for all he is worth. the fact that Trump followers seem to agree with his straddle on tells me they are more confused than he is.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 18, 2016 23:51:50 GMT -5
Like Roe v. Wade, the gay marriage decision is just bad law. It doesn't matter where you stand on the issues. Our courts functioning properly does matter.
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Post by iono1 on Jun 19, 2016 16:05:33 GMT -5
That was before Orlando. Now Trump has promised to be the best president "the gays" could ever have hoped for. In fact, once he's president, he will be officiating over gay marriages in the oval office every weekend (I kid, I kid). www.dailykos.com/story/2016/6/15/1539220/-Donald-Trump-tells-people-to-ask-the-gays-about-how-great-he-is-The-gays-respond-and-it-is-EPIC
Donald Trump is a great ally to the gay community. The greatest. The most amazing ally that you’ll ever see. Just ask Donald Trump!
In fact, Trump is so confident that he is the great straight savior LGBT Americans have been waiting for that he challenged people to “ask the gays” about just how great an ally he is:
For the gays out there—ask the gays and ask the people—ask the gays what they think and what they do in, not only Saudi Arabia, in many of these countries, with the gay community, just ask, and then you tell me—who’s your friend, Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton?
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