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Post by Opti on Jun 14, 2016 6:27:50 GMT -5
What do you mean by Obama "never missing Ramadan?" He doesn't eat during the day for a month? I think you're very wrong. And "forgets Easter?" Like having Easter egg hunts on the White House lawn? Kind of like that? Your bent towards hyperbole is laughable. At least you're amusing. Truth is for people who care about reality. Lying, i.e. making up your own narrative, is for people trying to ram beliefs down other people's throats.
Same BS. Tuesday version.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 14, 2016 6:36:40 GMT -5
I don't know to what degree the latest shooter was motivated by religion, but Paul is correct on one count: sooner or later the left is going to acknowledge that Islam reviles homosexuality (and sexual perversion in general), and that Muslims treat that revulsion far more seriously than most Christians do.
Waging a war on all of Islam strikes me as a feat of supreme idiocy, hence don't construe this as support for Mr. Trump's policies.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 14, 2016 6:59:00 GMT -5
So I see that Trump, down in the polls slightly because he just would not let that judge issue go, is now claiming Obama is a sleeper agent for the Muslims.
This falls in line with his previous birther statements and will please the 61% of his supporters who are also birthers. But how will it play with the 80% of the general population that disagree with his birther statements?
Current Trump unfavorable rating now at 60%. Hillary unfavorable rating at 42%. Historic landslide this November? Hmm, I prefer not to bet money on it, not at this stage of the game, but if Trump can't keep his yap shut, it's looking like boring Hillary will squeak past Trump and his Amazing, Nonsensical Mouth. The person with the amazing nonsensical mouth is Obama. At this point, ordinary Americans have a mystery to solve, and there are only two conclusions an unbiased party can arrive at: 1. Obama is staggeringly stupid / ignorant 2. Obama is doing this all on purpose to further some greater objective And for the record, I'm not 100% sold on the idea that he isn't stupid and/or ignorant. He's a liberal, and "diversity" for its own sake, often forced, often existing only in the mind of liberals- is liberal orthodoxy. Perhaps Obama isn't a one-man sleeper cell. Perhaps he realizes that politically, the minute he admits gays and muslims are like oil and water, it undermines standard liberal doctrine to the point where the whole multicultural, PC bullshit completely unravels? It's tempting to fall for the conspiracy theory stuff that a man raised by a genuine kook who sent him to a Madrasa in Indonesia, mentored by Marxists and especially steeped in anti-colonialist claptrap of his black liberation theology church, and Alinsky brand street rabble rousing, who once said the Muslim call to prayer is one of the most beautiful sounds on earth, and who can recite it in perfect Arabic- a man that can't seem to remember Easter, but never misses Ramadan, a man who seems to have a handler- Valerie Jarrett-- might be plotting something untoward; but Occam's Razor...it's simpler to just except that as a left wing ideologue with ZERO experience in the private sector, he's simply to naive and ill informed to be President. Did Bush Jr cause 9-11 because he was staggeringly stupid or on purpose to further some greater objective?
Because apparently the old adage 'shit happens' doesn't apply to the POTUS. All terrorist activities are apparently either known in advance and orchestrated for a dire purpose or the POTUS is stupid as a rock not to see it coming.
And that doesn't sound crazy at all.
On the other hand, don't bother telling me. I know your answer will be Rush version of the evil liberals caused 9-11.
(By the way, I see your boy Trump is struggling to fill his arenas now and is moving his events to smaller venues. Currently running 49% for Clinton and 41% for Trump. I'm certain, though, that Trump will turn that ship around and sail to the landslide victory you are predicting.)
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 14, 2016 6:59:26 GMT -5
Orlando boiled the election down to a very simple choice: A) More of the same Ft. Hood Chattanooga Boston Oklahoma San Bernardino Orlando... or B) TRUMP They're going to pick B. Guaranteed. Not even a question. This event is different. There's a turning of the tide against Islam. You can feel it in the air. You're even more fired up than you were in 2012. Unfortunately, sir's prolific prophecies promptly proved to be the kiss of death for Mr. Romney, Sen. McCain, Sen. Cruz, Mr. Cain, ... Has the "Curse of Paul" now fallen on Mr. Trump as well? And what of Islam and Islamic terrorism? Have you doomed us all to be overrun? At least there's good news on the green energy front. We'll be able to power a small city by converting your optimism into electricity.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 14, 2016 7:11:09 GMT -5
I don't know to what degree the latest shooter was motivated by religion, but Paul is correct on one count: sooner or later the left is going to acknowledge that Islam reviles homosexuality (and sexual perversion in general), and that Muslims treat that revulsion far more seriously than most Christians do. Waging a war on all of Islam strikes me as a feat of supreme idiocy, hence don't construe this as support for Mr. Trump's policies. Are there many people on the left that don't understand Islam thinks homosexuality is a perversion?
I think it's pretty well known that most of the established religions think it is.
Is your argument we need to kick out the Muslims because they're more mean to the homosexuals than the Christians are?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 14, 2016 7:12:38 GMT -5
I don't know to what degree the latest shooter was motivated by religion, but Paul is correct on one count: sooner or later the left is going to acknowledge that Islam reviles homosexuality (and sexual perversion in general), and that Muslims treat that revulsion far more seriously than most Christians do. Waging a war on all of Islam strikes me as a feat of supreme idiocy, hence don't construe this as support for Mr. Trump's policies. I'm not sure what the monolithic Left believes, but all serious minded people who look at the subject at all realize that homosexuality is by and large reviled by mainstream Muslim faithful, as is anything perceived as "perversion". Actually this is also the case throughout much of the world, and was the case here until not too long ago as well. Sodomy was a crime here and carried the death penalty in England, for instance.
I am glad to read your second paragraph above, however.
I didn't say "realize", I said "acknowledge". The monolithic left has a habit of downplaying or outright ignoring incompatibilities between the religions and ideologies it takes under its wing. Only the left isn't so monolithic in this case since a small but growing cohort (what we might call its more 'fundamentalist' arm) is willing to boldly acknowledge that LGBT-ism and Islam do not and can not peacefully coexist, just as LGBT-ism and fundamentalist Christianity cannot peacefully coexist.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 14, 2016 7:20:03 GMT -5
I don't know to what degree the latest shooter was motivated by religion, but Paul is correct on one count: sooner or later the left is going to acknowledge that Islam reviles homosexuality (and sexual perversion in general), and that Muslims treat that revulsion far more seriously than most Christians do. Waging a war on all of Islam strikes me as a feat of supreme idiocy, hence don't construe this as support for Mr. Trump's policies. Are there many people on the left that don't understand Islam thinks homosexuality is a perversion?
I think it's pretty well known that most of the established religions think it is.
Is your argument we need to kick out the Muslims because they're more mean to the homosexuals than the Christians are?
My argument is that you'll eventually reach the point where the left gives up on its delusions of compromise and peaceful coexistence, and declares all-out war on even-halfway-fundamentalist religion without excepting Islam. The war for tolerance of Islam isn't a winnable war. It's a paradox and a delusion that will ultimately disintegrate and force everyone to pick sides.
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Post by Opti on Jun 14, 2016 7:21:50 GMT -5
Orlando boiled the election down to a very simple choice: A) More of the same Ft. Hood Chattanooga Boston Oklahoma San Bernardino Orlando... or B) TRUMP They're going to pick B. Guaranteed. Not even a question. This event is different. There's a turning of the tide against Islam. You can feel it in the air. You're even more fired up than you were in 2012. Unfortunately, sir's prolific prophecies promptly proved to be the kiss of death for Mr. Romney, Sen. McCain, Sen. Cruz, Mr. Cain, ... Has the "Curse of Paul" now fallen on Mr. Trump as well? And what of Islam and Islamic terrorism? Have you doomed us all to be overrun? At least there's good news on the green energy front. We'll be able to power a small city by converting your optimism into electricity. My vote is yes, but I called it early in the election cycle based on one of his posts.
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Post by Opti on Jun 14, 2016 7:28:02 GMT -5
Are there many people on the left that don't understand Islam thinks homosexuality is a perversion?
I think it's pretty well known that most of the established religions think it is.
Is your argument we need to kick out the Muslims because they're more mean to the homosexuals than the Christians are?
My argument is that you'll eventually reach the point where the left gives up on its delusions of compromise and peaceful coexistence, and declares all-out war on even-halfway-fundamentalist religion without excepting Islam. The war for tolerance of Islam isn't a winnable war. It's a paradox and a delusion that will ultimately disintegrate and force everyone to pick sides. I think you are incorrect. The left believes we can coexist. That is one of their main beliefs. If they let that go, they won't be part of the left anymore. Its like the right, who has a fundamental fear of people who are not them. It is what defines them politically. The right is as likely to agree most religions can coexist and the left is likely to agree that Islam should be marginalized.
Not going to happen. Islam has been on the planet longer than you or I. I'm sure similar arguments might have been advanced during the Crusades and other times of unrest. The reality is Christianity and Islam have been here for over a 1000 years. To use one of your arguments on another thread, why do you think this round would be any different?
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 14, 2016 7:36:24 GMT -5
Are there many people on the left that don't understand Islam thinks homosexuality is a perversion?
I think it's pretty well known that most of the established religions think it is.
Is your argument we need to kick out the Muslims because they're more mean to the homosexuals than the Christians are?
My argument is that you'll eventually reach the point where the left gives up on its delusions of compromise and peaceful coexistence, and declares all-out war on even-halfway-fundamentalist religion without excepting Islam. The war for tolerance of Islam isn't a winnable war. It's a paradox and a delusion that will ultimately disintegrate and force everyone to pick sides. Umm, I don't want to speak for the whole 'left', but IMHO, I don't have any delusions of compromise.
I expect what my old teacher advocated - you don't have to like each other, you just have to get along.
In a country that has freedom of religion, that means gays, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Wiccans, S and M aficionados and Scientologists can live in the same area, on the same street, and just leave each other the hell alone.
For people who don't want to just get along - there are countries that are theocracies, where Jews, Christians and Muslims (and their laws) are in 100% control. If you can't stand to live in a city that has a gay nightclub, then you need to move your happy ass to a country that has a religious prohibition against gay nightclubs. But for us - we're the land of the free, which means the freedom to dance in your assless chaps at a gay nightclub all night long, should you so desire.
So I don't think the left is going to be declaring an all out war against any religion. Just against the religious kooks who want to kill other people because they don't share their religion. I work with several Muslims and while they probably don't approve of the gay lifestyle, not a single one of them took a gun and shot any of the gays that work here (Maybe because shooting someone at work gets you fired, I don't know )
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 14, 2016 8:20:01 GMT -5
At this point, ordinary Americans have a mystery to solve, and there are only two conclusions an unbiased party can arrive at: 1. Obama is staggeringly stupid / ignorant 2. Obama is doing this all on purpose to further some greater objective A portion of a Donald Trump statement about 21 hours ago. Have you ever had an original thought of your own?
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 14, 2016 8:24:11 GMT -5
MSNBC is on a tirade with Trump this morning. His stance on Muslims disqualifies him to run as President. Joe and Mika said he is poisoning the Muslim Islamic population and they will not come forward and report troubled members who might foment attacks here. I want to know how long we have to wait until that will happen. We have been waiting for a decade now. This guy was an obvious perfect example where his community should have come forward. So far the only people that did were fellow co-workers and they were pretty much told he was ok. We even have an Orlando Inman who just recently said it was ok to kill gays.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 14, 2016 8:34:58 GMT -5
I really do not know if there is a link. You should try watching msnbc in the morning. Joe and Mika have pretty much gone on an agenda to destroy Trump now that he has the nomination. Mika is no surprise because she always wanted Hillary as President. You can go to MSNBC.COM and try to find it. I'm not doing it. It would be nice if they played Joe and Mika multiple times a day like they do Rachel Maddow, but they are not wuite far enough left for them to do it.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 14, 2016 8:57:20 GMT -5
It wasn't all Japanese. It wasn't all Germans. But FDR didn't give a speech about how most Japanese were peaceful. He put America on a war footing. He interred the Japanese, and many Germans btw. And he spoke about winning through to ultimate victory- which meant unconditional surrender. Fundamentalist Islam is the greatest threat to humanity that has ever existed. Everyone knows it, and they're tired of the explaining. Nobody wants to hear about the mostly peaceful muslims. People simply do not GAF about the mother trying to raise her babies in Hiroshima, or the orphaned children in Dresden. Victory first. Nicey nice later.
But none of that really matters. The point I'm making- which is correct, and explains why Trump will win, and win big in November is this:
1. Trump solutions: simple
2. Hillary: policies are complicated, nuanced, require long convoluted explanations- the result is the voters will overwhelmingly choose Trump.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 14, 2016 8:59:50 GMT -5
My argument is that you'll eventually reach the point where the left gives up on its delusions of compromise and peaceful coexistence, and declares all-out war on even-halfway-fundamentalist religion without excepting Islam. The war for tolerance of Islam isn't a winnable war. It's a paradox and a delusion that will ultimately disintegrate and force everyone to pick sides. Umm, I don't want to speak for the whole 'left', but IMHO, I don't have any delusions of compromise.
I expect what my old teacher advocated - you don't have to like each other, you just have to get along.
In a country that has freedom of religion, that means gays, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Wiccans, S and M aficionados and Scientologists can live in the same area, on the same street, and just leave each other the hell alone.
For people who don't want to just get along - there are countries that are theocracies, where Jews, Christians and Muslims (and their laws) are in 100% control. If you can't stand to live in a city that has a gay nightclub, then you need to move your happy ass to a country that has a religious prohibition against gay nightclubs. But for us - we're the land of the free, which means the freedom to dance in your assless chaps at a gay nightclub all night long, should you so desire.
So I don't think the left is going to be declaring an all out war against any religion. Just against the religious kooks who want to kill other people because they don't share their religion. I work with several Muslims and while they probably don't approve of the gay lifestyle, not a single one of them took a gun and shot any of the gays that work here (Maybe because shooting someone at work gets you fired, I don't know ) To be perfectly clear, when I say "compromise" I mean "get along", "coexist". The left (progressives, neoliberals, etc.) will ultimately refuse to tolerate even the bare minimum of what religious fundamentalists--including Islamic fundamentalists--insist on retaining, such as the ability to preach against homosexuality, etc. from pulpit, various practices at home and in the community, the ability to discriminate, the ability to educate and indoctrinate in non-state-approved ways. There will be no coexistence. There will be no 'live and let live'. There will be blood in the streets. That is my prediction. Europe is going to be where it plays out first.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 14, 2016 9:01:42 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the monolithic Left believes, but all serious minded people who look at the subject at all realize that homosexuality is by and large reviled by mainstream Muslim faithful, as is anything perceived as "perversion". Actually this is also the case throughout much of the world, and was the case here until not too long ago as well. Sodomy was a crime here and carried the death penalty in England, for instance.
I am glad to read your second paragraph above, however.
I didn't say "realize", I said "acknowledge". The monolithic left has a habit of downplaying or outright ignoring incompatibilities between the religions and ideologies it takes under its wing. Only the left isn't so monolithic in this case since a small but growing cohort (what we might call its more 'fundamentalist' arm) is willing to boldly acknowledge that LGBT-ism and Islam do not and can not peacefully coexist, just as LGBT-ism and fundamentalist Christianity cannot peacefully coexist. What do you mean that the liberals have taken Islam 'under their wing?'
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 14, 2016 9:01:52 GMT -5
It wasn't all Japanese. It wasn't all Germans. But FDR didn't give a speech about how most Japanese were peaceful. He put America on a war footing. He interred the Japanese, and many Germans btw. And he spoke about winning through to ultimate victory- which meant unconditional surrender. Fundamentalist Islam is the greatest threat to humanity that has ever existed. Everyone knows it, and they're tired of the explaining. Nobody wants to hear about the mostly peaceful muslims. People simply do not GAF about the mother trying to raise her babies in Hiroshima, or the orphaned children in Dresden. Victory first. Nicey nice later. But none of that really matters. The point I'm making- which is correct, and explains why Trump will win, and win big in November is this: 1. Trump solutions: simple 2. Hillary: policies are complicated, nuanced, require long convoluted explanations- the result is the voters will overwhelmingly choose Trump. So... you're basically saying "Voters are simple-minded, so they'll vote Trump."
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 14, 2016 9:05:37 GMT -5
Umm, I don't want to speak for the whole 'left', but IMHO, I don't have any delusions of compromise.
I expect what my old teacher advocated - you don't have to like each other, you just have to get along.
In a country that has freedom of religion, that means gays, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Wiccans, S and M aficionados and Scientologists can live in the same area, on the same street, and just leave each other the hell alone.
Without exception, every Western country where Muslims have immigrated, the Muslims cannot seem to manage to leave people alone. Because they don't mean to live in peace. Theirs is not a legitimate religion, but an ideology of geopolitical conquest all dolled up as a religion. Political islam leverages the liberal democratic value of religious tolerance to gain admission, and then immediately imposes its will and intolerance on the society-- through fear, through the political process. They don't even hide it. It's a "doctrine" called "hijrah" which is immigration for the purpose of spreading islam- peacefully at first, then through the sword. Because islam is ultimately spread at the point of a sword. It's an ideology of conquest.
For people who don't want to just get along - there are countries that are theocracies, where Jews, Christians and Muslims (and their laws) are in 100% control. If you can't stand to live in a city that has a gay nightclub, then you need to move your happy ass to a country that has a religious prohibition against gay nightclubs. But for us - we're the land of the free, which means the freedom to dance in your assless chaps at a gay nightclub all night long, should you so desire.
So I don't think the left is going to be declaring an all out war against any religion. Just against the religious kooks who want to kill other people because they don't share their religion. I work with several Muslims and while they probably don't approve of the gay lifestyle, not a single one of them took a gun and shot any of the gays that work here (Maybe because shooting someone at work gets you fired, I don't know ) To be perfectly clear, when I say "compromise" I mean "get along", "coexist". The left (progressives, neoliberals, etc.) will ultimately refuse to tolerate even the bare minimum of what religious fundamentalists--including Islamic fundamentalists--insist on retaining, such as the ability to preach against homosexuality, etc. from pulpit, various practices at home and in the community, the ability to discriminate, the ability to educate and indoctrinate in non-state-approved ways. There will be no coexistence. There will be no 'live and let live'. There will be blood in the streets. That is my prediction. Europe is going to be where it plays out first.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 14, 2016 9:06:38 GMT -5
It wasn't all Japanese. It wasn't all Germans. But FDR didn't give a speech about how most Japanese were peaceful. He put America on a war footing. He interred the Japanese, and many Germans btw. And he spoke about winning through to ultimate victory- which meant unconditional surrender. Fundamentalist Islam is the greatest threat to humanity that has ever existed. Everyone knows it, and they're tired of the explaining. Nobody wants to hear about the mostly peaceful muslims. People simply do not GAF about the mother trying to raise her babies in Hiroshima, or the orphaned children in Dresden. Victory first. Nicey nice later. But none of that really matters. The point I'm making- which is correct, and explains why Trump will win, and win big in November is this: 1. Trump solutions: simple 2. Hillary: policies are complicated, nuanced, require long convoluted explanations- the result is the voters will overwhelmingly choose Trump. So... you're basically saying "Voters are simple-minded, so they'll vote Trump." Is this shocking new information? I think I started this thread saying "Make America Great Again" was the new "Hope and Change".
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 14, 2016 9:07:18 GMT -5
deminmaine-Yesterday, I read an article which stated muslim family members or muslim friends tipped off police in around 28-29% of the cases of possible terrorism by domestic terrorists/domestic Muslim terrorists wishing to do harm to the U.S. As I cannot refind that article, I did find something similar with Muslims in the U.S. tipping off police of potential future danger. Muslim Informants prevent domestic terror: the data
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 14, 2016 9:09:41 GMT -5
Trump has taken away the press credentials for the Post because he didn't like an article they wrote about him. Of course, he's done that for other press organizations in the past, only to give them back again later on. He flip flops a lot that way. Think Americans want a president who tries to stifle a free press because the press wrote mean things about him?
And the idea of a third party conservative candidate has not died yet: www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/conservative-donor%e2%80%99s-group-presses-ballot-access-for-a-third-party-candidate/ar-AAh1IXv?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=iehp
I admire your optimism and faith, but it's way, way too early to be taking victory laps, and at least lately, Trump seems to be souring with the American people, now that he's emerged from the primaries and into the full blown election. Getting hard to fill those big venues, lately. Maybe the voters are thinking 'simple' when it comes to a politician isn't necessarily a good thing.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 14, 2016 9:14:57 GMT -5
Trump has taken away the press credentials for the Post because he didn't like an article they wrote about him. Of course, he's done that for other press organizations in the past, only to give them back again later on. He flip flops a lot that way. Think Americans want a president who tries to stifle a free press because the press wrote mean things about him?
And the idea of a third party conservative candidate has not died yet: www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/conservative-donor%e2%80%99s-group-presses-ballot-access-for-a-third-party-candidate/ar-AAh1IXv?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=iehp
I admire your optimism and faith, but it's way, way too early to be taking victory laps, and at least lately, Trump seems to be souring with the American people, now that he's emerged from the primaries and into the full blown election. Getting hard to fill those big venues, lately. Maybe the voters are thinking 'simple' when it comes to a politician isn't necessarily a good thing.
You're almost right. America wants a third party candidate, and a third party candidate will win in November. You just haven't figured out that America Already Has A Third Party Candidate: republicanuncle.com/2016/06/donald-trump-is-the-third-party-candidate/And it's Donald J. Trump
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 14, 2016 9:16:01 GMT -5
I didn't say "realize", I said "acknowledge". The monolithic left has a habit of downplaying or outright ignoring incompatibilities between the religions and ideologies it takes under its wing. Only the left isn't so monolithic in this case since a small but growing cohort (what we might call its more 'fundamentalist' arm) is willing to boldly acknowledge that LGBT-ism and Islam do not and can not peacefully coexist, just as LGBT-ism and fundamentalist Christianity cannot peacefully coexist. What do you mean that the liberals have taken Islam 'under their wing?' I said "the left", not "liberals". By "under their wing", I mean they're consistently given to apologetics. Any time one of these attacks occurs, we see a predictable sequence: - the attack probably wasn't motivated by Islam
- OK, it was partly motivated by Islam, but very few Muslims believe this
- OK, it is a fairly common Muslim belief, but look at Christians like Timothy McVeigh, they're just as bad
- here's a news story about a Muslim man donating blood, thus invalidating all concerns about Islam being incompatible with western pluralism
- the right is blaming peaceful Muslims when they should be blaming a lack of gun control
As Paul states, the left loves diversity for the sake of diversity and minorities for the sake of minorities, hence the predominant reaction at present is still apologetic. My prediction is that this will change, and in reasonably short order.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 14, 2016 9:17:26 GMT -5
So... you're basically saying "Voters are simple-minded, so they'll vote Trump." Is this shocking new information? I think I started this thread saying "Make America Great Again" was the new "Hope and Change". Touche.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 14, 2016 9:21:38 GMT -5
To be perfectly clear, when I say "compromise" I mean "get along", "coexist". The left (progressives, neoliberals, etc.) will ultimately refuse to tolerate even the bare minimum of what religious fundamentalists--including Islamic fundamentalists--insist on retaining, such as the ability to preach against homosexuality, etc. from pulpit, various practices at home and in the community, the ability to discriminate, the ability to educate and indoctrinate in non-state-approved ways. There will be no coexistence. There will be no 'live and let live'. There will be blood in the streets. That is my prediction. Europe is going to be where it plays out first. Virgil are you aware there are 3 million Muslims in the US right now?
You are also aware, I assume, that lots of Christians sects preach against homosexuality from the pulpit and in the street, that they want to retain the ability to discriminate against gays, and that the landscape (especially here in the South) is dotted with Christian schools, and Christian kids getting homeschooled, all of them learning that homosexuality is a perversion? Do you see blood in the streets because of this? Muslims and Christians can think and believe what they want, and preach what they want, and teach their kids what they want - it's all part of that pesky 'freedom of religion' thing. So far, we have been very successful in that 'live and let live' thing, for the most part.
I know you tend to awefulize everything and that you envision a bleak future for about 100 different reasons, but if America does one thing well, better than any other nation on Earth, it's that we are the great melting pot. Unlike the European countries who tend to isolate different ethnic and religious people into different neighborhoods, never really integrating them into the main society, in America, if you work hard you can be as successful as someone whose parents came here on the Mayflower - look at Trump, just two generations away from being an immigrant himself. You can buy a house in any neighborhood, send your kid to public school with everyone else, and as long as you don't hurt anyone else, you're free to practice whatever religion you want to practice. That has made us successful so far, and if we can ignore all the religious bigotry from all the Trumps out there, we will be successful in the future.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 14, 2016 9:24:45 GMT -5
Paul I'm not ignoring your post, but I'm refusing to respond to it, because I think it's incredibly anti-Muslim and offensive.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 14, 2016 9:25:44 GMT -5
So far, we have been very successful in that 'live and let live' thing, for the most part. "Past performance is not a guarantee of future results." Like it or not, we're entering an era of ideological and political warfare unprecedented in human history. You don't have to believe me, but I do recommend you keep your eyes open.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 14, 2016 9:31:41 GMT -5
Trump has taken away the press credentials for the Post because he didn't like an article they wrote about him. Of course, he's done that for other press organizations in the past, only to give them back again later on. He flip flops a lot that way. Think Americans want a president who tries to stifle a free press because the press wrote mean things about him?
And the idea of a third party conservative candidate has not died yet: www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/conservative-donor%e2%80%99s-group-presses-ballot-access-for-a-third-party-candidate/ar-AAh1IXv?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=iehp
I admire your optimism and faith, but it's way, way too early to be taking victory laps, and at least lately, Trump seems to be souring with the American people, now that he's emerged from the primaries and into the full blown election. Getting hard to fill those big venues, lately. Maybe the voters are thinking 'simple' when it comes to a politician isn't necessarily a good thing.
You're almost right. America wants a third party candidate, and a third party candidate will win in November. You just haven't figured out that America Already Has A Third Party Candidate: republicanuncle.com/2016/06/donald-trump-is-the-third-party-candidate/And it's Donald J. Trump Says the poster who has called Hillary Clinton "Hildabeast". Pitiful.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 14, 2016 9:42:41 GMT -5
Virgil are you aware there are 3 million Muslims in the US right now?
You are also aware, I assume, that lots of Christians sects preach against homosexuality from the pulpit and in the street, that they want to retain the ability to discriminate against gays, and that the landscape (especially here in the South) is dotted with Christian schools, and Christian kids getting homeschooled, all of them learning that homosexuality is a perversion? Do you see blood in the streets because of this? Muslims and Christians can think and believe what they want, and preach what they want, and teach their kids what they want - it's all part of that pesky 'freedom of religion' thing. So far, we have been very successful in that 'live and let live' thing, for the most part.
I know you tend to awefulize everything and that you envision a bleak future for about 100 different reasons, but if America does one thing well, better than any other nation on Earth, it's that we are the great melting pot. Unlike the European countries who tend to isolate different ethnic and religious people into different neighborhoods, never really integrating them into the main society, in America, if you work hard you can be as successful as someone whose parents came here on the Mayflower - look at Trump, just two generations away from being an immigrant himself. You can buy a house in any neighborhood, send your kid to public school with everyone else, and as long as you don't hurt anyone else, you're free to practice whatever religion you want to practice. That has made us successful so far, and if we can ignore all the religious bigotry from all the Trumps out there, we will be successful in the future.
closer to 6M, i believe.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 14, 2016 9:43:05 GMT -5
Says the poster who has called Hillary Clinton "Hildabeast". Pitiful. Mittmentum. just sayin'.
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