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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 5, 2016 13:19:13 GMT -5
Underestimating Donald Trump- Again
Virtually every pundit, pollster and journalist—including the Observer—failed in assessing the Trump Train in the primary. Are we making the same mistake all over again in the general? By Peter Navarro • 06/03/16 12:00pm The question answers itself. I mean, if you have to ask...
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 5, 2016 17:03:48 GMT -5
Underestimating Donald Trump- Again
Virtually every pundit, pollster and journalist—including the Observer—failed in assessing the Trump Train in the primary. Are we making the same mistake all over again in the general? By Peter Navarro • 06/03/16 12:00pm The question answers itself. I mean, if you have to ask... there is another way of looking at this: we overestimated Republican voters. if the question you are asking is: "are we now overestimating ALL voters", the answer is "probably".
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 5, 2016 22:01:27 GMT -5
Underestimating Donald Trump- Again
Virtually every pundit, pollster and journalist—including the Observer—failed in assessing the Trump Train in the primary. Are we making the same mistake all over again in the general? By Peter Navarro • 06/03/16 12:00pm The question answers itself. I mean, if you have to ask... there is another way of looking at this: we overestimated Republican voters. if the question you are asking is: "are we now overestimating ALL voters", the answer is "probably". If you want to pin down the one thing- the thing that more than anything launched Trump to the nomination, it was what you just did. The reason 16 candidates were sent packing is because a sizable majority of Americans are sick and tired of being told they're concerns aren't important, and that they're idiots for thinking that maybe- just maybe- their plight might be more closely related to bad policy than macroeconomic changes in the global economy. Barack Obama started right out of the gate with the bitter clinger language of the Uni-Party elite (he was just more open and honest in his contempt for the middle-- and in particular the white middle-- class than the GOP elites). But the handwriting was on the wall- Americans saw it. They watched a go-along to get along GOP House and Senate pass continuing resolution after continuing resolution, after cromnibus, after omnibus-- doubling the debt, funding ObamaCare, funding Obama's illegal executive amnesty. They watched as jihadis murdered our service men and women at Ft. Hood, Memphis, and other places, and even beheaded a woman in Oklahoma at work, and shot up innocent Americans in San Bernardino; they've witnessed the murder of Kate Stienley and others. And still, we have chaos on the southern border, an inestimable number of illegal aliens totaling between 12 and 50 million, and a President that has be executive fiat legislated his DREAM ACT- something voters would NEVER permit their representatives to actually pass into law, with the complicity of the GOP; they've seen their healthcare premiums go up an average of 40%, they've been downsized, fired, or part-timed because of the chaos created by ObamaCare-- and again, no GOP resistance. Now the asshole in chief wants to let in jihadi's under the cover of "refugee status", and hold the door open for the sexually confused while America's children use the bathroom and shower. THEY HAVE FUCKING HAD IT. So, calling them stupid isn't persuasive. And that's putting it mildly. Oh, and the best part: Americans aren't even CLOSE to being the minority in their own country. Get ready. Monster Vote is coming.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 5, 2016 22:15:20 GMT -5
... So, calling them stupid isn't persuasive. .... I don't think they're stupid. But as you indicate, many are easily manipulated. ... Marketing and persuasion. He's an absolute wizard- a true master. ... Enough to get him elected? Time will tell.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 5, 2016 23:17:20 GMT -5
Oh, and the best part: Americans aren't even CLOSE to being the minority in their own country. Get ready. Monster Vote is coming. last time i checked, i am an American, and i most certainly not voting for that ass hat.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 5, 2016 23:48:21 GMT -5
Aren't all citizens of the United States American citizens? How could American citizens ever be a minority in their own country?
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Post by dondub on Jun 6, 2016 0:19:06 GMT -5
Paul has filled up his entire hot tub with Trump flavored Kool-Aid. Turn on the jets!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 6, 2016 0:28:11 GMT -5
Aren't all citizens of the United States American citizens? How could American citizens ever be a minority in their own country? he means REAL Americans, like Trump. not families like mine that have been here 10 generations.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 6, 2016 0:34:02 GMT -5
Now the asshole in chief wants to let in jihadi's under the cover of "refugee status", and hold the door open for the sexually confused while America's children use the bathroom and shower. i have never called a sitting president an asshole, and i would appreciate it if you can figure out another way of describing the current resident of the WH, as well. i may not have ever appreciated Bush- i may have downright loathed him by his second term- but he was still MY president.THEY HAVE FUCKING HAD IT. So, calling them stupid isn't persuasive. And that's putting it mildly. yes, i have fucking had it too- but i have fucking had it with the 10thers, the birthers, and the xenophobes. i have had it with the people who like to cloak their racism in "telling it like it is" anti-PC and anti-affirmative action rhetoric. we are on to all of that, and we have had it. so, i agree- this will be a battle of those that have had it with hiding their hatred for "liberals" and "the poor" and "refugees" in the closet, and want to wear that shit like a badge of honor, and those that look on in horror and disgust at that prospect. and if that is what the battle comes to, then i say bring it on, and may the best side win. i would feel even better about that if i thought it would end the argument. but it won't. i would not describe the fear and hatred as "stupid", for the record, just utterly incoherent and jingoistic.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 6, 2016 1:16:20 GMT -5
there is another way of looking at this: we overestimated Republican voters. if the question you are asking is: "are we now overestimating ALL voters", the answer is "probably". If you want to pin down the one thing- the thing that more than anything launched Trump to the nomination, it was what you just did. The reason 16 candidates were sent packing is because a sizable majority of Americans are sick and tired of being told they're concerns aren't important, and that they're idiots for thinking that maybe- just maybe- their plight might be more closely related to bad policy than macroeconomic changes in the global economy. Barack Obama started right out of the gate with the bitter clinger language of the Uni-Party elite (he was just more open and honest in his contempt for the middle-- and in particular the white middle-- class than the GOP elites). But the handwriting was on the wall- Americans saw it. They watched a go-along to get along GOP House and Senate pass continuing resolution after continuing resolution, after cromnibus, after omnibus-- doubling the debt, funding ObamaCare, funding Obama's illegal executive amnesty. They watched as jihadis murdered our service men and women at Ft. Hood, Memphis, and other places, and even beheaded a woman in Oklahoma at work, and shot up innocent Americans in San Bernardino; they've witnessed the murder of Kate Stienley and others. And still, we have chaos on the southern border, an inestimable number of illegal aliens totaling between 12 and 50 million, and a President that has be executive fiat legislated his DREAM ACT- something voters would NEVER permit their representatives to actually pass into law, with the complicity of the GOP; they've seen their healthcare premiums go up an average of 40%, they've been downsized, fired, or part-timed because of the chaos created by ObamaCare-- and again, no GOP resistance. Now the asshole in chief wants to let in jihadi's under the cover of "refugee status", and hold the door open for the sexually confused while America's children use the bathroom and shower. THEY HAVE FUCKING HAD IT. So, calling them stupid isn't persuasive. And that's putting it mildly. Oh, and the best part: Americans aren't even CLOSE to being the minority in their own country. Get ready. Monster Vote is coming. Trumps popularity is easy to understand but not for the above reasons you stated. The reasons are that he appeals to the racist, uneducated, easily manipulated, bigoted, mentally feeble people of the U.S. I'm not saying ALL people that are for him are that way, however, many/most of them are. And if you truly believe Trump got where he is without dealing with, and being just as dirty as every corrupt and conniving politician out there, well I refer you to where I state the reasons he's so popular. Their plight being more about bad policy than macroeconomic changes in the global economy isn't even close to what they think. They think it's the illegals and that the Muslim un-American (they STILL never got valid proof he's even from this country!), crazy N%$@! that's trying to take over our country with <<fill in insane reasons>> that we have in office. The fact that anybody thinks the President of the U.S. controls all the things that take place in their personal lives is so insane there is just no way to even try to reason with them. But of course anything good that's happened to them since his presidency is all their "doin's" in spite of that "crooked Muslim heathen". Personally? I'VE FUCKING HAD IT with the small minded idiots in this country and feel after reading their posts on various sites, or listening to them around here, they should be locked up and given cup fulls of meds. But I digress.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 6, 2016 1:27:06 GMT -5
If you want to pin down the one thing- the thing that more than anything launched Trump to the nomination, it was what you just did. The reason 16 candidates were sent packing is because a sizable majority of Americans are sick and tired of being told they're concerns aren't important, and that they're idiots for thinking that maybe- just maybe- their plight might be more closely related to bad policy than macroeconomic changes in the global economy. Barack Obama started right out of the gate with the bitter clinger language of the Uni-Party elite (he was just more open and honest in his contempt for the middle-- and in particular the white middle-- class than the GOP elites). But the handwriting was on the wall- Americans saw it. They watched a go-along to get along GOP House and Senate pass continuing resolution after continuing resolution, after cromnibus, after omnibus-- doubling the debt, funding ObamaCare, funding Obama's illegal executive amnesty. They watched as jihadis murdered our service men and women at Ft. Hood, Memphis, and other places, and even beheaded a woman in Oklahoma at work, and shot up innocent Americans in San Bernardino; they've witnessed the murder of Kate Stienley and others. And still, we have chaos on the southern border, an inestimable number of illegal aliens totaling between 12 and 50 million, and a President that has be executive fiat legislated his DREAM ACT- something voters would NEVER permit their representatives to actually pass into law, with the complicity of the GOP; they've seen their healthcare premiums go up an average of 40%, they've been downsized, fired, or part-timed because of the chaos created by ObamaCare-- and again, no GOP resistance. Now the asshole in chief wants to let in jihadi's under the cover of "refugee status", and hold the door open for the sexually confused while America's children use the bathroom and shower. THEY HAVE FUCKING HAD IT. So, calling them stupid isn't persuasive. And that's putting it mildly. Oh, and the best part: Americans aren't even CLOSE to being the minority in their own country. Get ready. Monster Vote is coming. Trumps popularity is easy to understand but not for the above reasons you stated. The reasons are that he appeals to the racist, uneducated, easily manipulated, bigoted, mentally feeble people of the U.S. I'm not saying ALL people that are for him are that way, however, many/most of them are. And if you truly believe Trump got where he is without dealing with, and being just as dirty as every corrupt and conniving politician out there, well I refer you to where I state the reasons he's so popular. Their plight being more about bad policy than macroeconomic changes in the global economy isn't even close to what they think. They think it's the illegals and that the Muslim un-American (they STILL never got valid proof he's even from this country!), crazy N%$@! that's trying to take over our country with <<fill in insane reasons>> that we have in office. The fact that anybody thinks the President of the U.S. controls all the things that take place in their personal lives is so insane there is just no way to even try to reason with them. But of course anything good that's happened to them since his presidency is all their "doin's" in spite of that "crooked Muslim heathen". Personally? I'VE FUCKING HAD IT with the small minded idiots in this country and feel after reading their posts on various sites, or listening to them around here, they should be locked up and given cup fulls of meds. But I digress. and, just to be clear, the entire bolded section above is a red herring. i never said that anyone's concerns were invalid, or dumb, or whatever it is you THINK i said. what i said, and have said repeatedly, is that Trump's proposed SOLUTIONS to the problems and concerns that he raised will either do nothing, or make the problem(s) worse. i could give endless examples, but i have already done that, and yet we have THIS as a response to that: the victimhood of the misunderstood- as if your caterwalling has not been heard by everyone left of Atilla The Hun. well, we have heard the hysterical grating whine, and believe it or not, we actually get it: the middle class is tired of being squeezed out of jobs, you are tired of the deficits, and you think taxes are too high. but Trump's three pronged approach of turning the US into Shogun Era Japan cutting taxes to the bone, and fulfilling Grover Nordquists vision of what the appropriate size of government should be does NOTHING to fix the problems. those solutions have actually been tried, and were Trump not such a poor student of history (and, apparently, despite his Wharton background, and his "really good brain", economics, as well), he would know that. it will be interesting to see whether or not those that DO have good backgrounds in these areas can actually overcome his frothing blather or not- and i do say that with some trepidation.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 6, 2016 2:23:42 GMT -5
i am happy to inform everyone that there are four alternatives to Trump on the Republican primary ballot in CA.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 6, 2016 7:03:12 GMT -5
At least for the moment it's biting him in the ass. Even Newt Gingrich, who is supposedly hoping to get on the ticket as Trump's VP, lambasted Trump for this, and Ryan, who just recently said he would get on the Trump train, is now saying how surprised he is about this comment (seriously, why is he surprised??).
What bothers me the most about Trump's comments about the judge isn't that they are racist - I don't think Trump is really a racist. He himself comes from a family that only recently immigrated (I think his grandfather immigrated from Germany). Trump is just doing what he always does - attacking an enemy with all the weapons he has, which includes, this time, comments about the guy's heritage.
What bothers me is how he is using his public platform as a presidential nominee to launch an attack on the integrity of a judge who is presiding over a case that Trump is a party to. Trump really needs to either win this lawsuit or make it go away, and I think he believes he can intimidate the judge into either throwing the case out or settling it quickly and in Trump's favor. Can you imagine Obama calling out the president of a college for not accepting his daughter there as a student? Or Bush Jr calling out one of his brothers business partners because they short changed him on a business deal?
POTUS do not stoop to using their time in front of the media to launch attacks over personal business issues. I'm sure they have worked behind the scenes to strong arm people, in the past, but I can't remember a single time when any other president in my lifetime publically went after someone for a purely personal reason. That makes me wonder if Trump plans to use his time in the White House to actually work for the people, or will he use it as a platform to squash his enemies and further build his empire?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 6, 2016 8:21:14 GMT -5
Aren't all citizens of the United States American citizens? How could American citizens ever be a minority in their own country? he means REAL Americans, like Trump. not families like mine that have been here 10 generations. Ohhhh. I get it now. The white, male, land-owning Americans. Real Americans.
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Post by resolution on Jun 6, 2016 8:58:47 GMT -5
He has doubled down and said that he can't be judged fairly by any Muslim judges either, so I think you may mean white, male, land-owning, Christian Americans.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 6, 2016 9:02:41 GMT -5
Wasn't that a given?
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 6, 2016 9:18:01 GMT -5
Aren't all government employees "losers"? And judges are employed by the government. And no "loser" could fairly judge a winner like Trump. And it certainly wouldn't work to have a jury trial. Trump has no peers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 9:26:04 GMT -5
Sizable majority?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 6, 2016 11:16:45 GMT -5
he means REAL Americans, like Trump. not families like mine that have been here 10 generations. Ohhhh. I get it now. The white, male, land-owning Americans. Real Americans. actually, i have found that a significant portion of those making this claim belong to families that, at a certain point, decided to secede from the Union. why they now want to lay claim to being part of it is beyond me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 6, 2016 11:18:02 GMT -5
Aren't all government employees "losers"? And judges are employed by the government. And no "loser" could fairly judge a winner like Trump. And it certainly wouldn't work to have a jury trial. Trump has no peers. if you have anything other than a White, Male, Christian heritage, you have no standing with Trump, either.
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Post by Opti on Jun 6, 2016 11:19:56 GMT -5
Ohhhh. I get it now. The white, male, land-owning Americans. Real Americans. actually, i have found that a significant portion of those making this claim belong to families that, at a certain point, decided to secede from the Union. why they now want to lay claim to being part of it is beyond me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 6, 2016 11:20:21 GMT -5
At least for the moment it's biting him in the ass. Even Newt Gingrich, who is supposedly hoping to get on the ticket as Trump's VP, lambasted Trump for this, and Ryan, who just recently said he would get on the Trump train, is now saying how surprised he is about this comment (seriously, why is he surprised??).
What bothers me the most about Trump's comments about the judge isn't that they are racist - I don't think Trump is really a racist. He himself comes from a family that only recently immigrated (I think his grandfather immigrated from Germany). Trump is just doing what he always does - attacking an enemy with all the weapons he has, which includes, this time, comments about the guy's heritage.
What bothers me is how he is using his public platform as a presidential nominee to launch an attack on the integrity of a judge who is presiding over a case that Trump is a party to. Trump really needs to either win this lawsuit or make it go away, and I think he believes he can intimidate the judge into either throwing the case out or settling it quickly and in Trump's favor. Can you imagine Obama calling out the president of a college for not accepting his daughter there as a student? Or Bush Jr calling out one of his brothers business partners because they short changed him on a business deal?
POTUS do not stoop to using their time in front of the media to launch attacks over personal business issues. I'm sure they have worked behind the scenes to strong arm people, in the past, but I can't remember a single time when any other president in my lifetime publically went after someone for a purely personal reason. That makes me wonder if Trump plans to use his time in the White House to actually work for the people, or will he use it as a platform to squash his enemies and further build his empire?
i think what bothers me the most is the straw man arguing. he ASSUMES that there are no valid reasons for criticizing him, then he manufactures an invalid reason for criticizing him, and attacks THAT. it is a clever way of arguing, and it obviously works with the Trump Cult, but it doesn't work with me.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 6, 2016 16:24:26 GMT -5
First there was the Trump TV ad of illegal immigrants climbing over a border fence between the United States and Mexico. Except it turned out the people climbing over the fence were people in Morocco climbing over a fence into Melilla, one of two enclaves on the Moroccan coast which are held by Spain. Now Trump has tweeted a family thanking him for standing up for our country. Looks nice but another (more than likely) intentional lie. The picture was taken at a family reunion in 2015 and has nothing to do with the family thanking him for running for president. Stock Scrimmage
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 6, 2016 16:45:06 GMT -5
the truth is just another obstacle for Trump to overcome.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 6, 2016 16:48:40 GMT -5
There have certainly been politicians possessing only a nodding acquaintance with truth, but very few who were so openly antagonistic to it.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 6, 2016 19:38:06 GMT -5
First there was the Trump TV ad of illegal immigrants climbing over a border fence between the United States and Mexico. Except it turned out the people climbing over the fence were people in Morocco climbing over a fence into Melilla, one of two enclaves on the Moroccan coast which are held by Spain. Now Trump has tweeted a family thanking him for standing up for our country. Looks nice but another (more than likely) intentional lie. The picture was taken at a family reunion in 2015 and has nothing to do with the family thanking him for running for president. Stock ScrimmageLol! That must be a picture of "his" African-Americans. What a vile man.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 6, 2016 19:45:30 GMT -5
The link says God gave Trump all his wealth.
Au contraire....his grandfather amassed it Canada, through bootleg liquor and prostitutes. I guess god works in mysterious ways. Lol!
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 6, 2016 19:50:57 GMT -5
The link says God gave Trump all his wealth. Au contraire....his grandfather amassed it Canada, through bootleg liquor and prostitutes. I guess god works in mysterious ways. Lol! Oh my gosh. This is the second coming of JFK! (I am not sure about the prostitutes and Kennedy's father)
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 7, 2016 8:35:45 GMT -5
I'm not even sure about the bootlegging and Kennedy's father..... However he and a business partner DID buy an alcohol distributor at the end of prohibition- legally- and made big bucks with it. (though he didn't drink) Kennedy's father was not a mobster- he was a banker originally, and the youngest bank president in the United States. But mobster is so much more exciting.
Of course, many would argue that bankers are their own class of criminal. So your not sure. The press ran with it at the time. I gave him a pass on the prostitution because quite frankly, I do not remember that. Although JFK had a penchant for mob women
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