toomuchreality
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Post by toomuchreality on Jul 24, 2015 17:06:50 GMT -5
He'd been previously warned about making up for shortages.
He'd made mistakes in the past and was reprimanded, and this time was caught on video slipping money into the till to make up his shortage, so what are they to do?
It's unfortunate since he's likely close to retirement - and he's a long-time employee.
I'm wondering if they're trying to get out of paying him a retirement package or any benefits/pension he may have accrued. That's why it's not a clean-cut issue, unfortunately. If you've been warned not to break a stupid rule and you break the stupid rule anyway, what should happen to you? Normally we fall back to 'let the punishment fit the crime', but in this case the rule is so stupid that doing so would entail giving the guy extra money to compensate him for his hypervigilance. I suppose if they told him "if you do this again, we'll fire you", then he had it coming, but I get the impression he expected a slap on the wrist because it's a stupid rule. Going from 'slap on the wrist' to 'firing just short of retirement' just to make an example of him is flat-out poor management. I agree, it's wrong if it is to avoid paying retirement. I know that happens. But... Wouldn't they have to fire him before he earned the retirement/ became vested? Like at about 9 1/2 yrs or so? At 30 yrs, he's earned it, so they have to pay. Right? -Seriously, I'm asking.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jul 24, 2015 18:24:11 GMT -5
So if you can't pay the Toll you are sent back the way you came...?
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jul 24, 2015 18:33:09 GMT -5
This wasn't a case of a driver not having the toll fee. The man who was in the booth collecting tolls had undercharged some vehicles (something to do with axle count) - and he was trying to make up his shortage by putting money of his own into the till to cover his mistakes, so he'd balance out at the end of his shift.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 24, 2015 19:05:29 GMT -5
That's why it's not a clean-cut issue, unfortunately. If you've been warned not to break a stupid rule and you break the stupid rule anyway, what should happen to you? Normally we fall back to 'let the punishment fit the crime', but in this case the rule is so stupid that doing so would entail giving the guy extra money to compensate him for his hypervigilance. I suppose if they told him "if you do this again, we'll fire you", then he had it coming, but I get the impression he expected a slap on the wrist because it's a stupid rule. Going from 'slap on the wrist' to 'firing just short of retirement' just to make an example of him is flat-out poor management. I agree, it's wrong if it is to avoid paying retirement. I know that happens. But... Wouldn't they have to fire him before he earned the retirement/ became vested? Like at about 9 1/2 yrs or so? At 30 yrs, he's earned it, so they have to pay. Right? -Seriously, I'm asking. I don't know. I'm pretty sure they'll have to pay him something, but maybe he falls into the "25-year-employee" pension bracket instead of the "30-year-employee" pension bracket, which pays out 25% less. Also, he may well not have wanted to retire next year.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 24, 2015 19:35:10 GMT -5
That's why it's not a clean-cut issue, unfortunately. If you've been warned not to break a stupid rule and you break the stupid rule anyway, what should happen to you? Normally we fall back to 'let the punishment fit the crime', but in this case the rule is so stupid that doing so would entail giving the guy extra money to compensate him for his hypervigilance. I suppose if they told him "if you do this again, we'll fire you", then he had it coming, but I get the impression he expected a slap on the wrist because it's a stupid rule. Going from 'slap on the wrist' to 'firing just short of retirement' just to make an example of him is flat-out poor management. I agree, it's wrong if it is to avoid paying retirement. I know that happens. But... Wouldn't they have to fire him before he earned the retirement/ became vested? Like at about 9 1/2 yrs or so? At 30 yrs, he's earned it, so they have to pay. Right? -Seriously, I'm asking. He is entitled to his pension. Remember-he was not terminated. He was downgraded to part-time. I imagine he has resigned at this point. He would be entitled to his pension whether he resigned or was terminated based upon his years of service.
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Post by toomuchreality on Jul 24, 2015 23:52:55 GMT -5
I agree, it's wrong if it is to avoid paying retirement. I know that happens. But... Wouldn't they have to fire him before he earned the retirement/ became vested? Like at about 9 1/2 yrs or so? At 30 yrs, he's earned it, so they have to pay. Right? -Seriously, I'm asking. He is entitled to his pension. Remember-he was not terminated. He was downgraded to part-time. I imagine he has resigned at this point. He would be entitled to his pension whether he resigned or was terminated based upon his years of service. Thanks. That's what I thought too. Have you ever noticed how skeptical we are on here? heh
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 25, 2015 8:28:28 GMT -5
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Post by ZaireinHD on Jul 25, 2015 14:21:50 GMT -5
He did that to balance his register after realizing he didn't charge them enough. So if he hadn't and was short at the end of his shift what would they have done? Fire him maybe. Geeez
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Post by ZaireinHD on Jul 25, 2015 14:27:03 GMT -5
when I read the story on MSN - my first thought was he didn't follow the rules. most likely a new boss didn't care that "this is how he does things" type personality.
happens at my place of work all the time every FN day! one person can get fired, while the other person (liked by boss) doesn't get fired!!
so here with this situation - kinda his new boss or better last recent promoted boss. everyone knows each other and worked together for 3 decades, and his boss decided to follow policy.
good for the boss!
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