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Post by henryclay on Mar 11, 2011 10:35:07 GMT -5
bills, here are just the top of a list. None of these are my thoughts. They are taken from ethnic minority writings. Part of which is in the above link. "............Obama calls Tea Party racist and ignores Black Panthers. Obama calls police force racist over college professor's arrest, but liberals will do whatever it takes to protect him ignoring his character flaws, lawlessness, deceptions and lies..........." I'm looking for the chart I saw before about people who disagree with Obama. They are all on racists. The proof is in the chart. Edited. I found it, but I don't know how to display it here. This is the link: www.missourah.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/obamaflowchart2.png
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 11, 2011 10:41:42 GMT -5
bills, here are just the top of a list. None of these are my thoughts. They are taken from ethnic minority writings. ... The ethnicity of the author has what significance?
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Post by henryclay on Mar 11, 2011 11:56:14 GMT -5
"........The ethnicity of the author has what significance?........."
It is significant in that it demonstrates once again that disagreeing with Obama is not restricted to white southrern people. In order to demonstrate that it is necessary to know the ethnicity of a cross section of those who voice their disagreements.
You apparently have a problem with that. Why?
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 11, 2011 12:55:01 GMT -5
... It is significant in that it demonstrates once again that disagreeing with Obama is not restricted to white southrern people. In order to demonstrate that it is necessary to know the ethnicity of a cross section of those who voice their disagreements.... Thanks for clarifying your goal in what you posted. I accept and hold it as an established fact "that disagreeing with Obama is not restricted to white southrern people"? ...
You apparently have a problem with that. Why? I have no problem "that" individuals of all different ethnic and racial categories disagree with President Obama. What I am struggling with is what that simple fact proves or disproves to you and others. I have no doubt President Obama has been effected by race issues in his life and continues to work through them just as each of us have things that have impacted our lives that we have to work through. I don't see this as a major problem in his presidency. A realization I had around the time of his election is that Obama is the first president I have experienced who is younger than I am. Although he isn't that much younger, the fact that I have step-grandchildren close to his children's ages make me see him more as I see my step-children than the elder that I realized I viewed past holders of that office.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 11, 2011 13:08:11 GMT -5
Let me get this straight. Obama can repeatedly make comments containing his racist view of loyal Americans with a different political disposition and it is not worthy of note, but someone else can allude to the general support groups on inauguration day being of mixed ethnic backgrounds and you can find enough fault in it to denounce the entire effort? Whew!!!!!!!!! Sorry but you aren't getting it straight. One needs to read what President Obama actually said and what the author of the article actually wrote. The last thing Henry is interested in is getting anything straight regarding the POTUS, same with some other posters here. There is little in his and their posts that are anything but the constant dissing and criticism of he and his administration on any and all actions that they do or as in the above what he says. Just accept that and you will be able , if you want to respond when you do, the response will be one that continues to push their agenda with little thought given to what ever your thoughts are unless they are in agreement with their convoluted arguments. It's what it is, suggest just deal with it as I do. I agree with you regarding Obamas success or not in the next election, It will be decided on other facts rather then race, though to say race.in America, and toward him as a non factor and just playing the race card is just not true, The country is still a raciest country, there are millions who are not happy with a black man as our leader and the only good point about that is I am hoping many of those individuals who feel that way would be those who would never support his party anyway, unless there was a charismatic leader such as Roosevelt in the 30's and later as our war leader and change in government was not what most wanted at that time.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 11, 2011 13:10:53 GMT -5
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Post by henryclay on Mar 11, 2011 13:23:58 GMT -5
"........ The last thing Henry is interested in is getting anything straight regarding the POTUS, same with some other posters here......."
Well, I see the duty sooth saying long range omnipotent one has told us the innerworkings of our souls , , , , again. Seems my whole family should be reading desi's stuff. They'd find out I'm not the person they associate with every day.
Huh, desi?
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 11, 2011 13:29:39 GMT -5
...there are millions who are not happy with a black man as our leader ... Do you have the source for your "millions" number or are you just making it up?
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 11, 2011 14:10:37 GMT -5
"........ The last thing Henry is interested in is getting anything straight regarding the POTUS, same with some other posters here......." Well, I see the duty sooth saying long range omnipotent one has told us the innerworkings of our souls , , , , again. Seems my whole family should be reading desi's stuff. They'd find out I'm not the person they associate with every day. Huh, desi? My feelings toward your posts Henry. Actually since you brought up your family, we don't do that here, a unwritten rule, others have been called on the carpet before for that, myself once too on the old zone eons ago, learned my lesson and was very contrite, well behaved since where ever I go, but since you DID mention them , I would suggest your family knows full well how you feel on the political and might like to know another side of things , or are also fed up with your same old, same old, you get a hug, a smile , a quick kiss on the forehead, a sigh, love is there , but, a, close out of their mind as they,
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Post by henryclay on Mar 11, 2011 14:12:37 GMT -5
Yeah, FY, I'm wondering if desi has any links to all the knowledge he posts about individuals, too. Some of the stuff he posts might turn out to be downright juicy, not to mention all the other links that would be included.
I don't think I have ever encountered another poster who was so outlandishly loose with verbal images of what other people do, how they think or what their goals are.
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Post by henryclay on Mar 11, 2011 14:17:47 GMT -5
Yeah, but desi, I see mention made of DH's and SO's and FI's and all the other alphabet soup family members all the time here. Why single me out?
And you have been asked for links to your reference to the millions you mentioned. What about that?
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 11, 2011 14:23:09 GMT -5
...there are millions who are not happy with a black man as our leader ... Do you have the source for your "millions" number or are you just making it up? No didn't google but some common sense in a nation of 300 million plus, with our very recent history regarding race relations , especially the feeling toward Black Americans, {actually just a few years ago , the dragging to death by chains attached , to a young black male by a group of young whires in a Texas town, to his death and leaving his body parts strewn on the road and the out cry both against but also for the young men involved , a new kind of lynching} to suggest millions, two million would to me qualify as millions and I believe that is easily reached as far as feelings toward a man or woman in the office of POTUS. I'll stand by that. You won't? Your wrong.
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 11, 2011 14:25:48 GMT -5
Yeah, FY, I'm wondering if desi has any links to all the knowledge he posts about individuals, too. Some of the stuff he posts might turn out to be downright juicy, not to mention all the other links that would be included. Did you try googling " inner-workings of henryclay", " what does henryclay really think", or " who the hell is henryclay anyway"? It could be quite enlightening, you never know....
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 11, 2011 14:26:46 GMT -5
Yeah, but desi, I see mention made of DH's and SO's and FI's and all the other alphabet soup family members all the time here. Why single me out? And you have been asked for links to your reference to the millions you mentioned. What about that? I was answering your post henry , thus the so called singling out. I also answered the 'millions " , you just couldn't wait for my reply..a little more patience and there are times a poster is not posting, shopping, bathroom calls, sitting by the pool, going for a walk...not at ones beck and call to respond.
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 11, 2011 14:32:00 GMT -5
I'll stand by that. You won't? Your wrong. Sounds logical to me.....You make up a number, you won't back it up, but those that disagree with it are wrong....lmao You're becoming more and more liberalized every day Dezi. Get in touch with sharina and maybe you can help her make up some more conservative lists to keep other liberals intrigued for hours...maybe even days.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2011 14:37:30 GMT -5
Yeah, but desi, I see mention made of DH's and SO's and FI's and all the other alphabet soup family members all the time here. Why single me out? And you have been asked for links to your reference to the millions you mentioned. What about that? I was answering your post henry , thus the so called singling out. I also answered the 'millions " , you just couldn't wait for my reply..a little more patience and there are times a poster is not posting, shopping, bathroom calls, sitting by the pool, going for a walk...not at ones beck and call to respond. After reading this thread and last post I'm going to have to give Dezi the change the subject award when pinned down. Only Obama does it better and that's no small compliment.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 11, 2011 15:13:34 GMT -5
I was answering your post henry , thus the so called singling out. I also answered the 'millions " , you just couldn't wait for my reply..a little more patience and there are times a poster is not posting, shopping, bathroom calls, sitting by the pool, going for a walk...not at ones beck and call to respond. After reading this thread and last post I'm going to have to give Dezi the change the subject award when pinned down. Only Obama does it better and that's no small compliment. I've explained my "millions", makes all the sense in the world to me and I know it does to you too, even though you won't admit it. In a nation of 300 million, to have millions, even two million, that is millions , and I know there are more then that, who are not happy that a man of color is the POTUS, that is a fact, known to all here, whether they publicly admit it or not. Yet I did say that while race would be it for some in the next election, how they cast their vote, I feel th majority of those who feel that way are not those who would vote his party anyway unless a unique individual, special time in our history, 30's, depression still there, then the war, the election , the next election for POTUS will be decided mostly on issues, that I agree on. You want to question me on the race card be my guest, try to argue against my feelings on the issue, I know what I said is true, you do too, be my guest, as I said, even if you won't admit it, the country is still raciest , more then it should be I am afraid, there is no way around it. PS: In a way, it's to bad we don't have more posters who might be of color , admittingly so, to hear from on this subject of race, rather then people like me, lily white, never have really lived the experience, and you too, the same, we really haven't a clue when it comes down to it. To hear their feelings of what their friends feel on the subject, thinking the friends they are referring to are also of color and their own feelings and observations of, they will be very aware of what is really going on. That I would be interested in , as if they say I am all wrong on my assumptions, while I might not change my views , I will listen closely to their arguments and take them into consideration and possible with enough comments change my mind and so say so.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 11, 2011 15:21:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2011 15:32:55 GMT -5
After reading this thread and last post I'm going to have to give Dezi the change the subject award when pinned down. Only Obama does it better and that's no small compliment. I've explained my "millions", makes all the sense in the world to me and I know it does to you too, even though you won't admit it. In a nation of 300 million, to have millions, even two million, that is millions , and I know there are more then that, who are not happy that a man of color is the POTUS, that is a fact, known to all here, whether they publicly admit it or not. Yet I did say that while race would be it for some in the next election, how they cast their vote, I feel th majority of those who feel that way are not those who would vote his party anyway unless a unique individual, special time in our history, 30's, depression still there, then the war, the election , the next election for POTUS will be decided mostly on issues, that I agree on. You want to question me on the race card be my guest, try to argue against my feelings on the issue, I know what I said is true, you do too, be my guest, as I said, even if you won't admit it, the country is still raciest , more then it should be I am afraid, there is no way around it. PS: In a way, it's to bad we don't have more posters who might be of color , admittingly so, to hear from on this subject of race, rather then people like me, lily white, never have really lived the experience, and you too, the same, we really haven't a clue when it comes down to it. To hear their feelings of what their friends feel on the subject, thinking the friends they are referring to are also of color and their own feelings and observations of, they will be very aware of what is really going on. That I would be interested in , as if they say I am all wrong on my assumptions, while I might not change my views , I will listen closely to their arguments and take them into consideration and possible with enough comments change my mind and so say so. Every person on this planet is racist at varying levels. It's human nature for an adult. That not the point I was making, nor was it that serious of one.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 11, 2011 15:54:43 GMT -5
Every person on this planet is racist at varying levels. It's human nature for an adult. That not the point I was making, nor was it that serious of one. Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=politics&action=display&thread=4607&page=2#ixzz1GKJHZUcdI think this might be controversial but would bet that African Americans are much more racist than White Anglo Saxons.....we had this discussion when we were arguing about Obama's linkage to Reverend Jeremiah Wright and it was astounding to read that there are black preachers who just don't like whites at all and are very open about it. And they have influenced many in their community and churches to feel the same way... But when Obama was questioned about this factoid he could not recall or said he may not have been paying attention to those sermons or speeches in the Black Churches....nice cop out..
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 11, 2011 16:00:02 GMT -5
You want to question me on the race card be my guest, try to argue against my feelings on the issue, I know what I said is true, you do too, Something that you know is true shouldn't be too hard to prove, should it? All I'm saying is prove it. Otherwise admit you made up the number. No dezi...the country is not racist....a relative few in the country are racist. The fact that a few people keep trying to make race an issue does not make this country racist.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 11, 2011 16:06:45 GMT -5
No dezi...the country is not racist....a relative few in the country are racist. The fact that a few people keep trying to make race an issue does not make this country racist. Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=politics&thread=4607&page=2#ixzz1GKLAimXmI am very proud of my race but worried we are becoming a minority especially on the left coast...does it mean I don't like Obama because he is black?? I suppose there is some resentment he is NOT a white president but to what I degree?? Hard to say. But most of us Irish/Americans have always been racist but just don't talk about it like we did years ago. Or as our Grand Parents did when they came from Ireland to NYC, or to Boston and had to contend with blacks and other minorities just to survive. I knew a lot of old Irishmen in Boston where I grew up who disliked anyone who was not Irish especially blacks, hispanics or Italians...and they had street gangs based on nationalities and fought continously in bloody warfare... The Irish gang in my neighbor hood was named the Jamaica Plain Pals and they were all extremely racist and were not pals to anyone who was not an Irishman....they all carried knives and zip guns and wore Marine Corps leather belts with the buckle sharpened like a razor to use in the street fights..
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Post by rockon on Mar 11, 2011 16:14:47 GMT -5
One could just as easily argue that reverse racism is as detrimental to healing these wounds as anything else. There are many poor white people today that are tired of being subjected to a different set of rules because they are white or male. Unfortunately many of the injustices that were wrongly done against people of color are now being done to the white people and two wrongs still don't make a right. We need to eliminate any special exceptions or allocations to anyone based on their race and then and only then will we have a chance of eliminating this word from our vocabulary.
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Post by henryclay on Mar 11, 2011 16:15:27 GMT -5
With all the palaver about America and it's racist element, I wonder why the liberals keep dodging the racism charges levied against the one person who has been fostering it. . . Obama.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 11, 2011 16:21:05 GMT -5
With all the palaver about America and it's racist element, I wonder why the liberals keep dodging the racism charges levied against the one person who has been fostering it. . . Obama. Obama claims in his book that he was very unsure about race when he grew up since he was not accepted by the whites or blacks because he came from mixed racial parents and hardly knew his father. But to suggest he was not influenced by Reverend Wright's racist sermons seems implausible but he denied he was taken in by his spiritual mentor on racism...
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 11, 2011 16:33:41 GMT -5
I suppose there is some resentment he is NOT a white president but to what I degree?? Technically he is half black, half white so I guess we can technically call a black man racist for disagreeing with the POTUS. One look at me and you'd know I have Irish blood running through my veins, yet I am not racist. If I was, would I be standing up with my little bro when he marries a Puerto Rican gal with a black daughter next month? Now, my (late) great Aunt that lived outside Boston (speaking of Boston)...she was racist. She wouldn't even bring her granddaughter to a local McD's because the GM was black. I guess being a bit younger, I wasn't around all that animosity towards those with a different color skin so it didn't get ingrained in me.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 11, 2011 16:39:19 GMT -5
I suppose there is some resentment he is NOT a white president but to what I degree?? Technically he is half black, half white so I guess we can technically call a black man racist for disagreeing with the POTUS. One look at me and you'd know I have Irish blood running through my veins, yet I am not racist. If I was, would I be standing up with my little bro when he marries a Puerto Rican gal with a black daughter next month? Now, my (late) great Aunt that lived outside Boston (speaking of Boston)...she was racist. She wouldn't even bring her granddaughter to a local McD's because the GM was black. I guess being a bit younger, I wasn't around all that animosity towards those with a different color skin so it didn't get ingrained in me. The Irish have various sects based on their economic status...we have the three distinct groupings: 1. Lace Curtain Irish (mostly politicians or very rich) 2. 2 T Irish (they have two toilets in their homes or middle class) 3. Shanty Irish....(these were the gangsters, domestics, or laborers)
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 11, 2011 16:46:15 GMT -5
I suppose there is some resentment he is NOT a white president but to what I degree?? Technically he is half black, half white so I guess we can technically call a black man racist for disagreeing with the POTUS. One look at me and you'd know I have Irish blood running through my veins, yet I am not racist. If I was, would I be standing up with my little bro when he marries a Puerto Rican gal with a black daughter next month? Now, my (late) great Aunt that lived outside Boston (speaking of Boston)...she was racist. She wouldn't even bring her granddaughter to a local McD's because the GM was black. I guess being a bit younger, I wasn't around all that animosity towards those with a different color skin so it didn't get ingrained in me. The fact is that Boston is as raciest a city as any in the country. Go to Fenway, been there so many times, look around, count the black faces..if you see more then a handful, place is allways sold out, it's a good day, if that many. I don't believe much has really changed. I had a fellow worker, wonderful , great guy, sweetest gentlest man you could ever meet, a Bostonian all his life , Jewish, so you would think liberal and not tainted with the raciest crap from background,yet when it came to the ones with dark skin, he was nuts amd when confronted, I did, more then once, he agreed and couldn't help it. Grew up mixed areas, didn't like many things and carried over.He passed early, have no idea how he would take Obama as president but am sure not well, not well at all.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 11, 2011 17:02:04 GMT -5
Wow, you insulted Jews, Bostonians, conservatives AND pulled the race card all in one paragraph. A new low?
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 11, 2011 17:04:13 GMT -5
Wow, you insulted Jews, Bostonians, conservatives AND pulled the race card all in one paragraph. A new low?
At least he did not call New Jersey the armpit of the northeast.
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