Union arrogance on parade

[Deleted]

Mar 10, 2011 20:28:31 GMT -5 jkapp said:

>>"Greedy" public workers. I'm going to be chuckling about that one all day.<<

As I stated above: Sorry, but the teacher unions lost any support from me after they spit in the faces of the local residents and increased property taxes 8-10% each year for the past three years. And their response was just - shut up and pay it, it's for "the children!!!!"

These greedy teachers union bastards didn't care at all that people on unemployment or fixed incomes would have to come up with another 8-10% more to pay for their wage and benefit increases!! I stand by my ruling: Greedy....public....workers...

Couldn't agree more. Wisconsin is just the first move against the Democrat/Public union, money circle.

[Shirina]

Couldn't agree more. Wisconsin is just the first move against the Democrat/Public union, money circle.

Wow, and here all of this time, I thought this was about shoring up a budget shortfall.

Now I'm learning that this is mostly about busting unions and weakening the Democrats.

In other words, this is all a political play for power, isn't it. Not that I didn't realize this from the outset, but at least it's finally bubbling to the surface.

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

In other words, this is all a political play for power, isn't it. Not that I didn't realize this from the outset, but at least it's finally bubbling to the surface.

Wisconsin is about balancing states budgets, reigning in run away state spending, and capping excessive public employee compensation... also putting an end to the incestuous, unethical and conflict of interest relationship between the dem party and public employee unions.

[henryclay]

".........putting an end to the incestuous, unethical and conflict of interest relationship between the dem party and public employee unions. .........."

It's time for the entire country to be taking notes and writing SOP's on how to rein the monster in.

Unless of course those unions are willing to move everything into US Treasuries as their sole depository for retirement funds and other bennies they have promised their members. Except maybe in Wisconsin. In Wisconsin they "could" just buy up state municipals instead.

Of course, with the state facing a default on its debts the unions might not be so ready to trust its financial future to a system it has helped go broke.

[ed1066]

Henry, check your PM!

[SweetVirginia]

Greedy teachers? Those of you who have been brainwashed to think that we teachers are living a lavish lazy lifestyle are sadly mislead. I get up at 4:50 a.m. Monday thru Friday morning. I dress professionally every day except for Friday (I wear Jeans and school t shirt... the only day I do not wear high heels for 7 hours) I get to work an hour early each day (6:55 a.m) and I go home at 5 or 6 each night(working on lessons, attendance reports etc..) We teachers do not live the "cushy" life style that you all think we do.

[deziloooooo]

Mar 12, 2011 2:36:10 GMT -5 SweetVirginia said:

Greedy teachers? Those of you who have been brainwashed to think that we teachers are living a lavish lazy lifestyle are sadly mislead. I get up at 4:50 a.m. Monday thru Friday morning. I dress professionally every day except for Friday (I wear Jeans and school t shirt... the only day I do not wear high heels for 7 hours) I get to work an hour early each day (6:55 a.m) and I go home at 5 or 6 each night(working on lessons, attendance reports etc..) We teachers do not live the "cushy" life style that you all think we do.

Sweet only idiots think that. Can I ask what class you teach, how large?
The thing today is people are hurting and they are jealous so if they can strike out to people doing better then they are they will.
The thing that is never mentioned, if they take away bargaining rights from teachers, seniority , what stops a school board from getting rid of the older teachers, they are earning more and rehiring newer teachers at much less salary. Replace a $50,000 teacher with a $30,000 teacher, makes sense to me if I thought that way.

[bimetalaupt]

Mar 11, 2011 11:10:46 GMT -5 Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ said:

In other words, this is all a political play for power, isn't it. Not that I didn't realize this from the outset, but at least it's finally bubbling to the surface.

Wisconsin is about balancing states budgets, reigning in run away state spending, and capping excessive public employee compensation... also putting an end to the incestuous, unethical and conflict of interest relationship between the dem party and public employee unions.

SF,
I have never seen a Private School form a Union.. They make less money, have less students and Love their students . It is hard to find a Jewish Teacher in Brooklyn that has ever voted Republican, so I do not think it is a Democratic party thing . I know the average Total pay in Abilene for Teachers ( medium number) is $49,000.. This is about $14,000 higher then the means wages for all wage earners. Private Schools are close due to the three Independent School districts.

Just a thought,
Bruce

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[SweetVirginia]

Mar 12, 2011 2:53:03 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Mar 12, 2011 2:36:10 GMT -5 SweetVirginia said:

Greedy teachers? Those of you who have been brainwashed to think that we teachers are living a lavish lazy lifestyle are sadly mislead. I get up at 4:50 a.m. Monday thru Friday morning. I dress professionally every day except for Friday (I wear Jeans and school t shirt... the only day I do not wear high heels for 7 hours) I get to work an hour early each day (6:55 a.m) and I go home at 5 or 6 each night(working on lessons, attendance reports etc..) We teachers do not live the "cushy" life style that you all think we do.

Sweet only idiots think that. Can I ask what class you teach, how large?
The thing today is people are hurting and they are jealous so if they can strike out to people doing better then they are they will.
The thing that is never mentioned, if they take away bargaining rights from teachers, seniority , what stops a school board from getting rid of the older teachers, they are earning more and rehiring newer teachers at much less salary. Replace a $50,000 teacher with a $30,000 teacher, makes sense to me if I thought that way.

dezi, I teach 9th and 10th graders. They are all considered "at risk" students. They have been kicked out of their regular high schools for various reasons such as poor attendance, defiant behavior, drug/alcohol abuse, fighting, gang activity, etc. Most of my students are on house arrest or probation or both. I have two self contained classes that run 3 hours each. My students work on 5 of their core subjects in my classroom. Each class has 25 of these kids. Most of them are doing remarkably well in class and have come a long way. There are a couple that I cant seem to reach no matter how hard I try. Most however, are learning, behaving well and earning credits. I adore them.

[SweetVirginia]

By the way, I also now work 2 nights per week(4 hours per night) in an independent lab where students work to make up failed classes. I help them with their work and grade their tests. If I earned the cushy paycheck that the Union busters claim I do, I would not be taking 2 nights away from being with my family, believe me.

[ugonow]

They have been kicked out of their regular high schools for various reasons such as poor attendance, defiant behavior, drug/alcohol abuse, fighting, gang activity, etc

Various reasons? Comon,we all know it is because of teachers.Particulary lazy union teachers......

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Mar 11, 2011 11:06:26 GMT -5 Shirina said:

Couldn't agree more. Wisconsin is just the first move against the Democrat/Public union, money circle.

Wow, and here all of this time, I thought this was about shoring up a budget shortfall.

Now I'm learning that this is mostly about busting unions and weakening the Democrats.

In other words, this is all a political play for power, isn't it. Not that I didn't realize this from the outset, but at least it's finally bubbling to the surface.

Sharina- I've said it before, and I've said it again- both sides are being dishonest. It's ALL about political power.

That being said, it's pretty obvious that the Republicans have the moral high ground, because Democrats should not be permitted to vote to expand government, add public taxpayer funded jobs, have unions siphon a portion of the dough and use it to support Democrats who who vote to expand government, add public taxpayer funde jobs, have union siphon a portion of the doug and use it to support Democrats who vote to expand government, add public taxpayer funde jobs, have union siphon a portion of the doug and use it to support Democrats who vote to expand government, add public taxpayer funde jobs, have union siphon a portion of the doug and use it to support Democrats who vote to expand government, add public taxpayer funde jobs, have union siphon a portion of the doug and use it to support Democrats.

It stops now.

[ugonow]

But yet we fully accept industry lobbyists contributions to politicians for favorable contracts or legislation as just part of the system......

[Deleted]

Yeah... corps can buy influence... and we can put energy business people in charge of environmental protection and permitting.... lol... but an organization of the people, we have to make sure they don't have too much power...

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Mar 12, 2011 2:36:10 GMT -5 SweetVirginia said:

Greedy teachers? Those of you who have been brainwashed to think that we teachers are living a lavish lazy lifestyle are sadly mislead. I get up at 4:50 a.m. Monday thru Friday morning. I dress professionally every day except for Friday (I wear Jeans and school t shirt... the only day I do not wear high heels for 7 hours) I get to work an hour early each day (6:55 a.m) and I go home at 5 or 6 each night(working on lessons, attendance reports etc..) We teachers do not live the "cushy" life style that you all think we do.

First point- what you are describing is what most of us consider "doing minimums". Getting up early, getting dressed, and getting to work early, and then being there until 5 or 6 every night don't get you any extra credit.

It's what you ACCOMPLISH between 6:55 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. that counts.

By the way, what are your hours like in the summer?

And even if you are one outstanding teacher that turns out a better product than 82% of your peers-- your story is anecdotal.

Stories like NYC taxpayers spending $65 million a year on teachers that never enter a classroom due to disciplinary hearings that never happen because the unions are gumming up the works are NOT the exception, they're the rule. They aren't unusual-- stupid wastes of money happen all over the government run schools.

www.illinoisloop.org/salary.html


GovernorState of Illinois: $150,691

Mayor City of Chicago: $210,000

Secretary-General United Nations: $225,000

President United States: $400,000

District Sup Homewood-Flossmoor 233: $402,331

District Sup Niles Twp 219: $411,511

We're tired of this bullcrap, and if you're caught up in the system- no more sympathy for you. We're fresh out. If you're not standing up to the NEA bully in our schools, then you're not a good teacher-- you're part of the problem. If you don't fight with us against the problem and for the taxpayers and our children, then you're fighting for everything that's wrong with the schools today.

By the way-- in addition to your summer hours, would you mind telling me which school is your school's number on competition?

Answer to both questions is-- you don't have any. Summer hours, or competition.

[SweetVirginia]

Mar 12, 2011 11:36:45 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Mar 12, 2011 2:36:10 GMT -5 SweetVirginia said:

Greedy teachers? Those of you who have been brainwashed to think that we teachers are living a lavish lazy lifestyle are sadly mislead. I get up at 4:50 a.m. Monday thru Friday morning. I dress professionally every day except for Friday (I wear Jeans and school t shirt... the only day I do not wear high heels for 7 hours) I get to work an hour early each day (6:55 a.m) and I go home at 5 or 6 each night(working on lessons, attendance reports etc..) We teachers do not live the "cushy" life style that you all think we do.

First point- what you are describing is what most of us consider "doing minimums". Getting up early, getting dressed, and getting to work early, and then being there until 5 or 6 every night don't get you any extra credit.

It's what you ACCOMPLISH between 6:55 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. that counts.

By the way, what are your hours like in the summer?

And even if you are one outstanding teacher that turns out a better product than 82% of your peers-- your story is anecdotal.

Stories like NYC taxpayers spending $65 million a year on teachers that never enter a classroom due to disciplinary hearings that never happen because the unions are gumming up the works are NOT the exception, they're the rule. They aren't unusual-- stupid wastes of money happen all over the government run schools.

www.illinoisloop.org/salary.html


GovernorState of Illinois: $150,691

Mayor City of Chicago: $210,000

Secretary-General United Nations: $225,000

President United States: $400,000

District Sup Homewood-Flossmoor 233: $402,331

District Sup Niles Twp 219: $411,511

We're tired of this bullcrap, and if you're caught up in the system- no more sympathy for you. We're fresh out. If you're not standing up to the NEA bully in our schools, then you're not a good teacher-- you're part of the problem. If you don't fight with us against the problem and for the taxpayers and our children, then you're fighting for everything that's wrong with the schools today.

By the way-- in addition to your summer hours, would you mind telling me which school is your school's number on competition?

Answer to both questions is-- you don't have any. Summer hours, or competition.

Many of those who work in the private sector, get paid to work overtime, I do not. And yes, I do not work in the summer(by choice), but I also DO NOT GET PAID. No work, no pay. Union busters try to portray teachers as living a lavish, lazy lifestyle. That is simply ridiculous. I work every night, and every weekend to prepare for my lessons, grade work, attendance reports, progress reports, calling parents and parole officers, etc. I do not get paid for any of it. I purchase almost all of my classroom supplies. I love my job and would never trade it for anything, but let it be known that most of us do not earn anywhere near 100K even including benefits. In my district, you have to have taught for 25 years and have a masters degree, before earning 89K. What is wrong with some one earning 89 K after 25 years of service and after earning a Masters? Why is that so wrong?

[ugonow]

Well ,you are above the average pay scale norm.In pauls other post,the clip claims the average person makes 19,000 a year in Milwaukee,but the average teacher makes 56,000 a year. This is not fair,and we must set everyone's wages at the same level to be fair.

[handyman2]

To those who would criticise teachers I would suggest you go to the school and spend a week volunteering in a middle school or elementary school and see just how things are.
I am not a teacher but my wife was for 40 years. I get the feeling that many think schools and students are like the 1940 and 50's. Nothing could be further from the truth. Students bring home issues to school that affect their behavior and attitude like never before. The issues that impact a childs education is in many cases beyond the ability of the teacher and classroom to deal with.

[ugonow]

Todays parents expect teachers to raise their kids for them. Ask any kid,it is easier to blame the teacher for a bad grade than to accept responsibility for your failings. Parents don't have the involvement they used to. Teachers are supposed to teach morals,work and study ethics, feed them,raise them and educate them on the side.

[SweetVirginia]

Mar 12, 2011 13:34:39 GMT -5 ugonow said:

Todays parents expect teachers to raise their kids for them. Ask any kid,it is easier to blame the teacher for a bad grade than to accept responsibility for your failings. Parents don't have the involvement they used to. Teachers are supposed to teach morals,work and study ethics, feed them,raise them and educate them on the side.

So true. I call the parents of my absent students everyday to find out why they were absent. You have no idea how many times I have heard a parent tell me that it is our responsibility to get his or her kid to school. Many have said that they give up and it is now our problem. Sad really.

[deziloooooo]

Mar 12, 2011 10:41:32 GMT -5 SweetVirginia said:

Mar 12, 2011 2:53:03 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Sweet only idiots think that. Can I ask what class you teach, how large?
The thing today is people are hurting and they are jealous so if they can strike out to people doing better then they are they will.
The thing that is never mentioned, if they take away bargaining rights from teachers, seniority , what stops a school board from getting rid of the older teachers, they are earning more and rehiring newer teachers at much less salary. Replace a $50,000 teacher with a $30,000 teacher, makes sense to me if I thought that way.

, was a a bit above $30 thou and she told Me a masters would give her another $1000

Desi, I teach 9th and 10th graders. They are all considered "at risk" students. They have been kicked out of their regular high schools for various reasons such as poor attendance, defiant behavior, drug/alcohol abuse, fighting, gang activity, etc. Most of my students are on house arrest or probation or both. I have two self contained classes that run 3 hours each. My students work on 5 of their core subjects in my classroom. Each class has 25 of these kids. Most of them are doing remarkably well in class and have come a long way. There are a couple that I cant seem to reach no matter how hard I try. Most however, are learning, behaving well and earning credits. I adore them.

I hand it to you, I would last 15 minutes with them. Nice hearing they are actually getting it with you. The ones who just won't get it, to bad they don't just leave. Why are the ones now all of a sudden are getting it, and before just didn't get it, any idea? I know they are probably bright , possible way above that for most , do they all of a sudden realize time is running out and they better get on the stick?
I did some look up regarding salaries teaching profession your area of Texas, salaries have climbed when I was living in the Houston area, dated a kindergarten teacher, been doing it a number of years , I believe she was earning about $30 thou and a masters only gave her another $1000.
$50,000 per for a professional with a college degree after say 10 years, in line and not over paid . Granted there is the time off...Principals seem to average about $90,000..with the responsibilities, being in total charge, also seems to be line to me.
Wont they work mostly full tome , naturally vacations but aren't they there most of the summer?

[deziloooooo]

Mar 12, 2011 11:10:42 GMT -5 ugonow said:

They have been kicked out of their regular high schools for various reasons such as poor attendance, defiant behavior, drug/alcohol abuse, fighting, gang activity, etc

Various reasons? Comon,we all know it is because of teachers.Particularly lazy union teachers......

It's been a while since you were in school I bi. It's been decades with me and the attendance list always had the kids on suspension or in the Vice Principals office , always the same kids.

[ugonow]

Could it be teachers have just become expendable pawns in the game?-----"A prank call from a man purporting to be petrochemical billionaire David Koch to Gov. Scott Walker (R-WI) a few weeks ago revealed that Walker had crafted his “budget repair” bill in a bid to crush the labor unions. The revelation was at odds with the GOP’s public argument, that removing collective bargaining rights has something to do with the state’s budget deficit.

In an interview with Fox News’ Megyn Kelly moments ago, State Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald (R-WI), one of Walker’s closest allies in the legislature, confirmed the true political motive of Walker’s anti-union push. Fitzgerald explained that “this battle” is about eliminating unions so that “the money is not there” for the labor movement. Specifically, he said that the destruction of unions will make it “much more difficult” for President Obama to win reelection in Wisconsin:

FITZGERALD: Well if they flip the state senate, which is obviously their goal with eight recalls going on right now, they can take control of the labor unions. If we win this battle, and the money is not there under the auspices of the unions, certainly what you’re going to find is President Obama is going to have a much difficult, much more difficult time getting elected and winning the state of Wisconsin.

Watch it:



Fitzgerald’s transparent effort to defund his political opponents by stripping the rights of teachers and nurses is facing a backlash. In a few months, the defunders may be deposed. Following a report by ThinkProgress that several pro-Walker state lawmakers are eligible for recall, progressive activists around Wisconsin began filing the paperwork to remove eight GOP state senators from office."

[deziloooooo]

Mar 12, 2011 11:20:59 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Mar 11, 2011 11:06:26 GMT -5 Shirina said:

Wow, and here all of this time, I thought this was about shoring up a budget shortfall.

Now I'm learning that this is mostly about busting unions and weakening the Democrats.

In other words, this is all a political play for power, isn't it. Not that I didn't realize this from the outset, but at least it's finally bubbling to the surface.

Sharina- I've said it before, and I've said it again- both sides are being dishonest. It's ALL about political power.

That being said, it's pretty obvious that the Republicans have the moral high ground, because Democrats should not be permitted to vote to expand government, add public taxpayer funded jobs, have unions siphon a portion of the dough and use it to support Democrats who who vote to expand government, add public taxpayer funde jobs, have union siphon a portion of the doug and use it to support Democrats who vote to expand government, add public taxpayer funde jobs, have union siphon a portion of the doug and use it to support Democrats who vote to expand government, add public taxpayer funde jobs, have union siphon a portion of the doug and use it to support Democrats who vote to expand government, add public taxpayer funde jobs, have union siphon a portion of the doug and use it to support Democrats.

It stops now.

[Tennesseer]

Mar 12, 2011 13:34:39 GMT -5 ugonow said:

Todays parents expect teachers to raise their kids for them. Ask any kid,it is easier to blame the teacher for a bad grade than to accept responsibility for your failings. Parents don't have the involvement they used to. Teachers are supposed to teach morals,work and study ethics, feed them,raise them and educate them on the side.

Parents (one or both) of public school children should be required to monitor a public school classroom (not a classroom their own child is in) and other areas of the school at least twice during the school year. This would bring a neutral party in resolving teacher/student/parent problems when misconduct by students (and by teachers) occur in the classroom.

Too often a parent is quick to state their child would never do anything wrong and the teacher is lying. A neutral party in the classroom would help reduce the misconduct in the classroom and back up the teacher's charge if the student was causing problems in the classroom. No longer would it be she said/he said.

It would be great if employers would give their employees a couple of paid days to attend their children's schools and monitor classes.

[deziloooooo]

Mar 12, 2011 11:51:41 GMT -5 SweetVirginia said:

Mar 12, 2011 11:36:45 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

First point- what you are describing is what most of us consider "doing minimums". Getting up early, getting dressed, and getting to work early, and then being there until 5 or 6 every night don't get you any extra credit.

It's what you ACCOMPLISH between 6:55 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. that counts.

By the way, what are your hours like in the summer?

And even if you are one outstanding teacher that turns out a better product than 82% of your peers-- your story is anecdotal.

Stories like NYC taxpayers spending $65 million a year on teachers that never enter a classroom due to disciplinary hearings that never happen because the unions are gumming up the works are NOT the exception, they're the rule. They aren't unusual-- stupid wastes of money happen all over the government run schools.

www.illinoisloop.org/salary.html


GovernorState of Illinois: $150,691

Mayor City of Chicago: $210,000

Secretary-General United Nations: $225,000

President United States: $400,000

District Sup Homewood-Flossmoor 233: $402,331

District Sup Niles Twp 219: $411,511

We're tired of this bullcrap, and if you're caught up in the system- no more sympathy for you. We're fresh out. If you're not standing up to the NEA bully in our schools, then you're not a good teacher-- you're part of the problem. If you don't fight with us against the problem and for the taxpayers and our children, then you're fighting for everything that's wrong with the schools today.

By the way-- in addition to your summer hours, would you mind telling me which school is your school's number on competition?

Answer to both questions is-- you don't have any. Summer hours, or competition.

Many of those who work in the private sector, get paid to work overtime, I do not. And yes, I do not work in the summer(by choice), but I also DO NOT GET PAID. No work, no pay. Union busters try to portray teachers as living a lavish, lazy lifestyle. That is simply ridiculous. I work every night, and every weekend to prepare for my lessons, grade work, attendance reports, progress reports, calling parents and parole officers, etc. I do not get paid for any of it. I purchase almost all of my classroom supplies. I love my job and would never trade it for anything, but let it be known that most of us do not earn anywhere near 100K even including benefits. In my district, you have to have taught for 25 years and have a masters degree, before earning 89K. What is wrong with some one earning 89 K after 25 years of service and after earning a Masters? Why is that so wrong?

Not to me when I was working, and my son is over that by more then double ..has about 25 years in. Pressure? Yep, for what he gets paid, he should have that.. LOL

Lets face it, there are a lot of jealouse people an also a lot of abuse as one posted about the New york siruation. that is a tough Un ion, theere they need to be looked at. Surprised Bloomberg hasn't taken a stronger stand, the job he doesn't need and if he was not elected again, so be it.

[marjar]

Mar 12, 2011 14:15:15 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Mar 12, 2011 13:34:39 GMT -5 ugonow said:

Todays parents expect teachers to raise their kids for them. Ask any kid,it is easier to blame the teacher for a bad grade than to accept responsibility for your failings. Parents don't have the involvement they used to. Teachers are supposed to teach morals,work and study ethics, feed them,raise them and educate them on the side.

Parents (one or both) of public school children should be required to monitor a public school classroom (not a classroom their own child is in) and other areas of the school at least twice during the school year. This would bring a neutral party in resolving teacher/student/parent problems when misconduct by students (and by teachers) occur in the classroom.

Too often a parent is quick to state their child would never do anything wrong and the teacher is lying. A neutral party in the classroom would help reduce the misconduct in the classroom and back up the teacher's charge if the student was causing problems in the classroom. No longer would it be she said/he said.

It would be great if employers would give their employees a couple of paid days to attend their children's schools and monitor classes.

Very true.

[ugonow]

I remember when my kid was in Junior High,everytime she brought home a bad grade it was the teachers fault.

[marjar]

There are less than desirable teachers, but there are plenty of less than desirable students and parents, too. It isn't always the teacher's fault.

[Tennesseer]

Mar 12, 2011 14:56:51 GMT -5 ugonow said:

I remember when my kid was in Junior High,everytime she brought home a bad grade it was the teachers fault.

I went to catholic schools; my parents and teachers (the nuns) formed a united front. There was no escaping.