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Post by jkapp on Mar 10, 2011 14:24:46 GMT -5
Can someone describe the scene for me? The link is blocked here at work There's a karma in it for ya!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 14:29:34 GMT -5
At least you have lived a nice sheltered life to date.
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Post by henryclay on Mar 10, 2011 14:48:46 GMT -5
Yeah, Arch, I guess I have. And I'm thankful for it. In fact, I'd like it to continue, but some things, union power corruption involving elections is one thing I sould do without. Here is an excerpt from the aticle that accompoanies the video: The video above shows a representative of the United Healthcare Workers from a budget hearing in California in 2009. She makes it clear that the union got ‘democrats’ elected and that they [the union] ‘have long memories’ should the members deign to not support the union demands. If the officials support needed measures to cut spending, the representative will unleash her members to campaign against their reelection. And her threats are all legally sanctioned. And they are paid for by us.
This is the central problem with public sector unions. They get to use taxpayer money to elect their bosses and they get to use taxpayer money to convince their bosses to give them more taxpayer money.
Let’s recap where we are:
•We’ve allowed labor unions to become monopoly personnel providers for many state and local governments •We force employees to make weekly payments to union leaders •The union leaders use these payments to hire lobbyists to agitate for more government spending •The union leaders use these payments to spend millions on campaigns to elect politicians •The union leaders then negotiate with these politicians to set pay, benefits and work rules for their members •The politicians know that if they cross the union leaders, their reelection plans are more complicated •We fund the whole thing If we can’t break this corrupt cycle, no other policy decisions we make will matter. Yes, it is that important. You might be able to wtch the video on this site: www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=198248
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 10, 2011 14:49:35 GMT -5
Andrew Breitbart...who is he and does he have a agenda?
Main article: Tea party movement Breitbart often appears as a speaker at Tea Party movement events across the U.S. For example, Breitbart was a keynote speaker at the first National Tea Party Convention at Gaylord Opryland Hotel in Nashville on February 6, 2010.[18] Breitbart later became involved in a controversy over alleged racial and homophobic slurs being used at a March 20, 2010 rally at the United States Capitol in Washington, D.C. by offering to donate $100,000 to the United Negro College Fund "for any audio/video footage of the N-word being hurled". To date, Breitbart has not credited anyone for presenting such footage.[19][20][21][22]
“”— Andrew Breitbart, quoted by the Associated Press, August 3, 2010[23]Breitbart has launched a number of websites, including Breitbart.com, BigHollywood.com, BigGovernment.com, BigJournalism.com, and BigPeace.com.[citation needed]
Breitbart launched his first website as a news site; it is frequently[quantify] linked to by the Drudge Report and other websites. It features wire stories from the Associated Press, Reuters, Agence France-Presse, Fox News, PR Newswire, U.S. Newswire, as well as direct links to a number of major international newspapers. Its Blog & "Network" links tend to run to the right within the U.S. political spectrum (e.g., National Review and Townhall.com).
In 2008 Breitbart launched the website "Big Hollywood," a "group blog" driven by some who work within Los Angeles, featuring contributions from a variety of writers, including entertainment-industry professionals who politically lean right.[25] The site, an outgrowth of the column "Big Hollywood" that Breitbart wrote for the Washington Times, addresses issues facing conservatives who work in Hollywood.[26] In 2009, the site used audio from a secretly recorded conference call to accuse the National Endowment of the Arts of encouraging artists to create work in support of Barack Obama's domestic policy agenda.[27][28]
Breitbart launched BigGovernment.com on September 10, 2009.[29] He hired Mike Flynn, a former government affairs specialist at Reason Foundation,[30] as Editor-in-Chief of Big Government.[31] The site premiered with hidden camera video footage taken by Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe at Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now offices in various cities, attracting nationwide attention resulting in the ACORN 2009 undercover videos controversy.
Main article: Resignation of Shirley Sherrod On July 19, 2010, Breitbart posted two short videos showing excerpts of a speech by Shirley Sherrod at an NAACP fundraising dinner in March 2010. The videos ensuing controversy resulted in Sherrod being fired from the United States Department of Agriculture on July 19. After it became clear that the videos Breitbart posted omitted the point Sherrod was making, Breitbart posted the complete 40-minute video of the speech revealing the true meaning of her statements in context.[34][35][36] The NAACP stated that the video excerpts aired by Breitbart were deliberately deceptive and said that he had "snookered" the group.[35][36] Tom Vilsack, Secretary of Agriculture, later apologized to Sherrod and offered her a new job.[37] In 2011, Sherrod brought suit against Breitbart for defamation.[38]
Main article: ACORN 2009 undercover videos controversy
Breitbart was also involved in the 2009 ACORN video controversy. Hannah Giles[39][40] posed as a prostitute seeking assistance while James O'Keefe portrayed her boyfriend, and clandestinely videotaped meetings with ACORN staff.[41] These videos were heavily edited in an attempt to make ACORN's responses appear sinister,[42] and contributed to the group's demise.[43][44] Breitbart then provided a forum for O'Keefe on his BigGovernment.com website[45] and defended his actions on Sean Hannity's Fox News Channel program.[46]
Breitbart has also been embroiled in a controversy within the conservative movement related to the participation of gay group GOProud in the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), an annual conference held in Washington, D.C. by the American Conservative Union. In 2011 he was the primary host of a party that served to "welcome" the "homocons" to the convention (though it was the second year they had been participants). This flew in the face of a boycott staged by a few social conservative groups that were offended by the inclusion of GOProud within the conservative fold. Writer, producer, and publisher Roger L. Simon referred to the party as a "game-changer" for the Republican party, and asserted that it represented a turning point in the appeal that the conservative movement might hold for young people. Breitbart is now on the Advisory Board of
Ok , now that we know who he is and it seems his agenda, I wonder if this clip is similer to the ones his owned media outlets did regarding.......... "Resignation of Shirley Sherrod" and "Breitbart was also involved in the 2009 ACORN video controversy", "These videos were heavily edited in an attempt to make ACORN's responses appear sinister,[42] and contributed to the group's demise."
You do it once . very bad, you do it again, what is the old saying, "Fool me once...." oh yes remember now, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." think Bush used it once in a speech some where, though i would borrow it from him...."
I wonder if this is also another "edited "clip.
Possibly not and yes unions will use clout to try and get their way as do the corporations who pay millions to get their way, lobbiest, and all the elected officials need to do is to say "no " and if they are then removed, so be it....who says they are there for life... Times change and Unions know the new economics of the times. That doesn't mean they can't look for contracts that are a positive for their members, just as it doesn't mean the politicians who negotiate with them have to give in and say yes. This back lash is also about jealousy now that the it seems the public work force is in better shape then the private sector, looking for the scapegoat to blame it all on, and with the leaders of the part of government who gave to much away over time, they were quick to find a scapegoat to take the heat off of the part of government they are memebers of and shift the blame to a easy target, known as the 'scapegoat "
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Post by henryclay on Mar 10, 2011 14:56:44 GMT -5
desi, not that I give a "rats" about it, because you can post anything that warms your soul, but for clarification, can you please point out which part of your post relates to theme of the thread?
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Post by jkapp on Mar 10, 2011 14:59:39 GMT -5
Thanks Henry Karma for you!
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Post by marshabar1 on Mar 10, 2011 15:01:06 GMT -5
A large woman, a union home care worker, is testifying that many Democrats were elected because of their support and they have long memories and if the Democrats didn't "back our program" we'll help to getcha out of office.
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Post by jkapp on Mar 10, 2011 15:07:46 GMT -5
A large woman, a union home care worker, is testifying that many Democrats were elected because of their support and they have long memories and if the Democrats didn't "back our program" we'll help to getcha out of office. Thank you, too, Marshabar...I will try and remember to give you an exalt in about 50 min
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 10, 2011 15:12:03 GMT -5
desi, not that I give a "rats" about it, because you can post anything that warms your soul, but for clarification, can you please point out which part of your post relates to theme of the thread? The ending but I always like to know the source of a article , if they have a particular agenda, puts everything into perspective. Not saying one should then disregard the comments of them , but it helps me to understand were they are coming from. this was a 30 second clip , a persons feeling of her feelings, my response to it is at the end. You don't like to know a medias agenda, back ground? Just accept out of hand what ever you see written? That's not enough for me. Many we know, Huff for example, this one, you might have known who and what, till I read the link, I didn't. I think it's important to know these things before commenting. That you don't , well that is your right as is mine to disagree with you on the importance of having that knowledge. Hope you can understand that.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 10, 2011 15:24:37 GMT -5
Another dipshit who can't tell the difference between private union and public union...unless he's just being intentionally stupid...?
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 10, 2011 16:25:14 GMT -5
I'M A DEMOCRAT, DAD WAS A MEMBER OF THE BOILERMAKERS UNION. BIL WAS UNION PRESIDENT OF THE LOCAL UNION OF OPERATING ENGINEERS, FIL WAS A MEMBER, HUBBY STILL IS THOUGH HE HASN'T WORKED UNION IN 30 YEARS. By the way their union has constant training programs and you cannot run equipment unless you are certified and also recertified in areas of training, safety HAZMAT, environmental and all types of classes you must take to get called out. But I guess they are just no nothings according to folks on here and others. I can't imagine a teacher with a Masters wanting to make enough to live a decent life on, shame on them. Maybe you can get an illegal to teach your kids, cheap enough for you? We are good people, and we know what the unions did for people elevating the "working man" so that he was skilled in his craft and worked with a level of dignity and safety. Now take Texas, sure its doing pretty good around the cities. All the actual hands on working people out in the trenches are illegals for the most part. Big business loves it, they have their own class of slave now, substandard wages, dangerous working conditions, no benefits, ER room paid by taxpayers, slum landlords doing boom business. As my husband says if we can't afford to pay a man a decent wage per day we won't hire an illegal and do not. Most of your wealthy here don't bat an eye. Don't worry soon they will pull the American worker down to that level too, so all these wonderful opportunities will be coming to your neighborhood soon, in fact you as an employee may get some of those opportunities, I know you are excited. ------------------------------------------------ Pat a good one, and I know within minutes the crowd are now typing their retorts to your post. Hang in there but fashion your seat belt. Unions were so important to making more people reach that so called middle class area that most American families strived for, which sorry to say is shrinking as we communicate with each other. Some went for the comfortable level and attained it but for most, their own home, a car and then two, vacation, good food on the table, iccasional dinners out, vacation, for some a smaller vacation home on a lake, the shore , the mountains, sometimes shared with others, friends, family members. For us it was family, big old place on the shore on LI shore, "Siver Sands", great summers, so black from the SUN, shwartz is the only way to describe it, and feet so swollen from constant bare feet, never shoes or sneaks, had to wear slippers first days back from it at the end of the summer. Yes there were problems in some unions, the teamsters , Jimmy, come to mind but the non union too benefits so much and for skilled workers, in my State, Blue Collar, SKILLED, the machinist, trades people, with out a college degree, could have a good life, didn't say "GREAT ", but acceptable good life , also enough to educate their kids in good colleges if they were qualified and interested. Today, that class seems to be diminishing and to read so many of the posts here, it seems so many are insinuating , that type of life style, was a aberration, it was untenable in the long run, not a natural way of expecting things to happen and we better get use to just surviving. For many I think they are thinking of their kids and grandkids, as they maybe are in the middle class now themselves but for others, how dare they feel that way and it's all the fault of the UNIONS, I appreciate your post, made and makes a lot of sense.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 10, 2011 16:33:52 GMT -5
You do know we're talking about PUBLIC unions, right?
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 10, 2011 16:38:32 GMT -5
I'M A DEMOCRAT, DAD WAS A MEMBER OF THE BOILERMAKERS UNION. BIL WAS UNION PRESIDENT OF THE LOCAL UNION OF OPERATING ENGINEERS, FIL WAS A MEMBER, HUBBY STILL IS THOUGH HE HASN'T WORKED UNION IN 30 YEARS. By the way their union has constant training programs and you cannot run equipment unless you are certified and also re-certified in areas of training, safety HAZMAT, environmental and all types of classes you must take to get called out. But I guess they are just no nothings according to folks on here and others. I can't imagine a teacher with a Masters wanting to make enough to live a decent life on, shame on them. Maybe you can get an illegal to teach your kids, cheap enough for you? We are good people, and we know what the unions did for people elevating the "working man" so that he was skilled in his craft and worked with a level of dignity and safety. Now take Texas, sure its doing pretty good around the cities. All the actual hands on working people out in the trenches are illegals for the most part. Big business loves it, they have their own class of slave now, substandard wages, dangerous working conditions, no benefits, ER room paid by taxpayers, slum landlords doing boom business. As my husband says if we can't afford to pay a man a decent wage per day we won't hire an illegal and do not. Most of your wealthy here don't bat an eye. Don't worry soon they will pull the American worker down to that level too, so all these wonderful opportunities will be coming to your neighborhood soon, in fact you as an employee may get some of those opportunities, I know you are excited. In my experience, training means little. Intelligence, ability and competence means everything. I know a PHD that works with me and has my same position(double associates here) and the guy is a hack and lacks the ability to troubleshoot without recklessness. I work in the IT field by the way. All going to school and getting a phd or masters is just memorization. If you have a great memory you could get a degree in any field you want. Now trade skills is a different situation, like plumbing they make you work so many hours before you can get your journeyman's. Now that right there makes sense, because if you don't have the talent for it at least they know you have repeated the procedures over and over and over. I like the trade skills way of teaching much better it is like tying your shoes,who do you think can tie them faster somebody that has went to school and read many books or somebody that has done the process a 1000 times?
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Post by burnsattornincan on Mar 10, 2011 16:42:17 GMT -5
This back lash is also about jealousy now that the it seems the public work force is in better shape then the private sector
?-?-?-? With an (almost) unlimited supply of money I surely hope so! For god sakes man.
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Post by jkapp on Mar 10, 2011 16:48:37 GMT -5
I'M A DEMOCRAT, DAD WAS A MEMBER OF THE BOILERMAKERS UNION. BIL WAS UNION PRESIDENT OF THE LOCAL UNION OF OPERATING ENGINEERS, FIL WAS A MEMBER, HUBBY STILL IS THOUGH HE HASN'T WORKED UNION IN 30 YEARS. By the way their union has constant training programs and you cannot run equipment unless you are certified and also recertified in areas of training, safety HAZMAT, environmental and all types of classes you must take to get called out. But I guess they are just no nothings according to folks on here and others. I can't imagine a teacher with a Masters wanting to make enough to live a decent life on, shame on them. Maybe you can get an illegal to teach your kids, cheap enough for you? We are good people, and we know what the unions did for people elevating the "working man" so that he was skilled in his craft and worked with a level of dignity and safety. Now take Texas, sure its doing pretty good around the cities. All the actual hands on working people out in the trenches are illegals for the most part. Big business loves it, they have their own class of slave now, substandard wages, dangerous working conditions, no benefits, ER room paid by taxpayers, slum landlords doing boom business. As my husband says if we can't afford to pay a man a decent wage per day we won't hire an illegal and do not. Most of your wealthy here don't bat an eye. Don't worry soon they will pull the American worker down to that level too, so all these wonderful opportunities will be coming to your neighborhood soon, in fact you as an employee may get some of those opportunities, I know you are excited. Hey I've been saying to kick the illegals out of the country for years, but the Dems and liberals won't hear of it...
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Post by jkapp on Mar 10, 2011 17:15:57 GMT -5
>>This back lash is also about jealousy now that the it seems the public work force is in better shape then the private sector<< Umm, yeah, if two people are starving and one works to collect themself some food and the other person steals it...then, yes, the one who steals the food is in better shape.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 10, 2011 17:20:22 GMT -5
>>This back lash is also about jealousy now that the it seems the public work force is in better shape then the private sector<< Umm, yeah, if two people are starving and one works to collect themself some food and the other person steals it...then, yes, the one who steals the food is in better shape. Teachers who you , if you have any, that you entrust your children to for so long a period of the day, and they are thieves? My lord, you care so little for the well being of your offspring methinks, Shame on you. What kind of parent are you anyhow?
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Post by jkapp on Mar 10, 2011 17:38:21 GMT -5
>>This back lash is also about jealousy now that the it seems the public work force is in better shape then the private sector<< Umm, yeah, if two people are starving and one works to collect themself some food and the other person steals it...then, yes, the one who steals the food is in better shape. Teachers who you , if you have any, that you entrust your children to for so long a period of the day, and they are thieves? My lord, you care so little for the well being of your offspring methinks, Shame on you. What kind of parent are you anyhow? When money is taken from me by threat of stealing my house if I don't pay, then yes, I call that stealing. What else would you call forcibly taking money from someone who has no say in whether more gets taken each year and without any way of refusing to pay?
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Post by workpublic on Mar 10, 2011 18:07:00 GMT -5
You do know we're talking about PUBLIC unions, right?
nope.
all public sector unions mentioned in the reply.
THE BOILERMAKERS UNION. LOCAL UNION OF OPERATING ENGINEERS afl-cio
i'd like to know how so many of her relatives got into those unions? cause IMHO unions aren't EOE. you gotta know someone or be related to gain entry into most private/public sector unions.
IF you are fortunate enough to get in, it can be a good career.
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Post by jkapp on Mar 10, 2011 18:16:33 GMT -5
>>Then I want MY money back that I spent on building a road so you can drive somewhere, so your mom and dad can have SS and medicare. So you can have a police force and water lines and sewer lines. So that you can have electricity and safe food to eat and a military to protect you. I don't want to share so give me my money back. You think you are better then me using some of MY money to make your life better. << And which of those things is forcibly taken with threat of stealing your house??? Which of those is raised due to the greedy public workers demanding more be taken from the community and damn the community if they can't afford to pay more? Are road workers forcibly raising gas taxes? Are people on SS and Medicare forcing those taxes to increase? Are soldiers using paid-for politicians to line their pockets with wage and benefit increases? And if they don't get those increases do they threaten to walk away from their sworn duty? Sorry, but the teacher unions lost any support from me after they spit in the faces of the local residents and increased property taxes 8-10% each year for the past three years. And their response was just - shut up and pay it, it's for "the children!!!!"
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 10, 2011 18:31:43 GMT -5
I'm the kind of parent that is disgusted that my children were born into a household with $126,000 (as of yesterday) worth of DEBT that the Federal Government got us into.
I'm the kind of parent that thinks that spending $19,000 + a year per pupil in my HS district that can't compete with a homeschooling mom is too much money.
And I'm the kind of parent that thinks this teacher- who is actually a thief:
Schneider, Susan Salary: $117,653 Position: High School Teacher
should be fired. Betcha it doesn't happen...
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 10, 2011 19:03:27 GMT -5
If you don't read the article, scroll down and at least watch the video. It is only 27 seconds, but those are the essence of what unions have become. How could it be said better in 27 defining seconds?
Just viewed the video....it is great...as most of us here have noted, this is about political power, not workers rights.... Gotta love it!
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Post by Shirina on Mar 10, 2011 20:18:48 GMT -5
LOL! @ "greedy public workers."
The starting salary for a teacher in Wisconsin is a whopping $29k per year. The average starting salary overall in 2010 for a graduate with a bachelor's degree was $48k. This means a Wisconsin teacher starts with a salary just a little over half as much as a college grad in the private sector.
A teacher in North Carolina will not see $48k per year until around his or her 17th year of teaching. My mother, who taught special education in PA didn't see $50k until her 20th year.
Thus, a teacher has to wait 2/3rds of their career to make the same money private sector college grads make to start with.
"Greedy" public workers. I'm going to be chuckling about that one all day.
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Post by jkapp on Mar 10, 2011 20:25:16 GMT -5
>>The starting salary for a teacher in Wisconsin is a whopping $29k per year. The average starting salary in 2010 for a graduate with a bachelor's degree was $48k. << So you are comparing a specific profession against all general professions? Talk about a chuckle... And remember - if they don't like the pay, they don't have to work the job. I, however, cannot CHOOSE to pay less taxes for teacher's pay and benefits or else I would risk having the state confiscate my house. Even those evil, greedy corporations can't do that!!! And personally, I would prefer teachers who were passionate about teaching, not about their paychecks and benefits.
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Post by jkapp on Mar 10, 2011 20:28:31 GMT -5
>>"Greedy" public workers. I'm going to be chuckling about that one all day.<< As I stated above: Sorry, but the teacher unions lost any support from me after they spit in the faces of the local residents and increased property taxes 8-10% each year for the past three years. And their response was just - shut up and pay it, it's for "the children!!!!" These greedy teachers union bastards didn't care at all that people on unemployment or fixed incomes would have to come up with another 8-10% more to pay for their wage and benefit increases!! I stand by my ruling: Greedy....public....workers...
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Post by formerexpat on Mar 10, 2011 20:35:41 GMT -5
I was just watching A Bugs Life with my son over the weekend. This reminds me of the grasshopper and ant relationship in that movie. [/size]
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 10, 2011 22:34:30 GMT -5
I was just watching A Bugs Life with my son over the weekend. This reminds me of the grasshopper and ant relationship in that movie. [/size][/quote] Yup. We out-number them, and it's they who need us.
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 11, 2011 9:54:25 GMT -5
This back lash is also about jealousy now that the it seems the public work force is in better shape then the private sector, looking for the scapegoat to blame it all on, WTH are you talking about? My company isn't $13 trillion dollars in debt. How is the public sector in better shape?
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