Taylor Swift and Apple

[Shooby]

The Rolling Stones made like $26M mostly due to touring in 2013.    Not sure how selling out stadiums night after night isn't a money maker?

[justme]

Thanks for finding that article beach!

[thyme4change]

I have also heard from multiple sources that tours and concerts are where the money is.  

Actually, I just googled it - if you can get an endorsement, that is where they real money is.  Second is tours.  Music sales and streaming is chump change in comparison.

[swamp]

But you need the music sales. Without them, nobody knows who you are and why would they pay over $100 for a concert?

[justme]

Jul 2, 2015 8:51:18 GMT -5 swamp said:

But you need the music sales. Without them, nobody knows who you are and why would they pay over $100 for a concert?

Nah, you just need your music heard. If they hear it and like it they will come. I've gone to concerts after only hearing one song on the radio. And the last concert I went to I've never bought one of their CD just stream it.

[973beachbum]

Jul 2, 2015 9:00:56 GMT -5 justme said:

Jul 2, 2015 8:51:18 GMT -5 swamp said:

But you need the music sales. Without them, nobody knows who you are and why would they pay over $100 for a concert?

Nah, you just need your music heard. If they hear it and like it they will come. I've gone to concerts after only hearing one song on the radio. And the last concert I went to I've never bought one of their CD just stream it.

But music sales are what get them to be big venues.  And lets face it big venues mean big bucks.  This is YM after all.  

That is the only reason some artists have said that they have stayed with the music labels like they have.  They said they were in a contract that guaranteed them zero profit from their music.  They only do it to get the big promotion from it on things like radio airtime. 

[justme]

Touché that seems right for the big stadium musicians. I don't go to stadium tours. Much more used to the bands that tour to get a buzz going. Bands that never crack the billboard lists but sell out nationwide.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

I'm not saying they don't make big money on tour- at least to most people.  I'm saying that artists like Taylor Swift multiply their earnings in other ways- retail is the biggest; followed by music; followed by shows-- unless you count the Super Bowl and crap like then, then hells yeah they get paid for THAT.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 2, 2015 8:51:18 GMT -5 swamp said:

But you need the music sales. Without them, nobody knows who you are and why would they pay over $100 for a concert?

Well, you could just let people bootleg your shows and tell their friends. The Dead make money touring.  Silly money.  But that's because they embraced it as their model.  I've done events- they're a nightmare. The venue (and everyone else) gets paid no matter what, which means as soon as you book a venue you are all of the sudden in the venue business with a full time job of selling concert tickets.  The artists make the least on shows- even if it is a big percentage of their total income, it's by far the shittiest part.  I've actually done a lot of research on this because I was basically in the events business with what I call my "live real estate show" years.  The artists that are doing it right are in Vegas and Branson with their own venues like Celine Dion and others where you go to them, they don't come to you- and they own the whole thing outright.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 2, 2015 9:00:56 GMT -5 justme said:

Jul 2, 2015 8:51:18 GMT -5 swamp said:

But you need the music sales. Without them, nobody knows who you are and why would they pay over $100 for a concert?

Nah, you just need your music heard. If they hear it and like it they will come. I've gone to concerts after only hearing one song on the radio. And the last concert I went to I've never bought one of their CD just stream it.

You are extremely unusual.

[swamp]

Jul 4, 2015 10:23:54 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 2, 2015 8:51:18 GMT -5 swamp said:

But you need the music sales. Without them, nobody knows who you are and why would they pay over $100 for a concert?

Well, you could just let people bootleg your shows and tell their friends. The Dead make money touring.  Silly money.  But that's because they embraced it as their model.  I've done events- they're a nightmare. The venue (and everyone else) gets paid no matter what, which means as soon as you book a venue you are all of the sudden in the venue business with a full time job of selling concert tickets.  The artists make the least on shows- even if it is a big percentage of their total income, it's by far the shittiest part.  I've actually done a lot of research on this because I was basically in the events business with what I call my "live real estate show" years.  The artists that are doing it right are in Vegas and Branson with their own venues like Celine Dion and others where you go to them, they don't come to you- and they own the whole thing outright.

Jerry Garcia died in 1995. The havemt toured as The Dead in 20 years. 

[justme]

Jul 4, 2015 10:25:45 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 2, 2015 9:00:56 GMT -5 justme said:

Nah, you just need your music heard. If they hear it and like it they will come. I've gone to concerts after only hearing one song on the radio. And the last concert I went to I've never bought one of their CD just stream it.

You are extremely unusual.

Not really, you're just unaware of the non pop music scene.