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Post by floridayankee on Mar 10, 2011 10:43:46 GMT -5
Nurses are in high demand and it pays quite well. DW actually has a hard time filling vacant positions on her staff. My mother and sister are both nurses and they say they can't go to Florida because they won't get paid as well, and there aren't as many jobs. I have always found that hard to believe because it's God's waiting room, isn't it? How could they not have a shortage? I should put you all in touch. FL doesn't pay as well as somewhere up north because of the better weather. It's market forces at work...moderate pay for moderate weather. But, IMHO, the sweltering summer heat is no different than the frigid northern winter. Both will tend to send your backside indoors. And if you think FL nursing pay is worse, go to DW's little 4-5 bed hometown hospital in podunk, MO to see some poor pay.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 10, 2011 10:43:57 GMT -5
That's the result of Keynesian economics and our tax code. An income tax is dependent on a lot of wheel-spinning / treadmill activity.
This is why the "rich get richer, and the poor get poorer".
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Post by ugonow on Mar 10, 2011 10:44:17 GMT -5
They were implemented temporaily also.
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Post by Bluerobin on Mar 10, 2011 10:44:25 GMT -5
When I used to hire, the mail order and online degrees went into the same pile as the Associate degrees and high school diplomas. Then they went into the circular file.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 10, 2011 10:45:31 GMT -5
They were implemented temporaily also.
Correct, and we had 54 consecutive months of job growth and a rising equities market.
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Post by ugonow on Mar 10, 2011 10:47:15 GMT -5
IMO,the biggest factor is the cyclic nature of the beast. There are booms and busts. The economy is at its best when everyone is spending more than they can afford, then the bubble bursts and we start all over again.
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Post by ugonow on Mar 10, 2011 10:49:36 GMT -5
They were implemented temporaily also.
Correct, and we had 54 consecutive months of job growth and a rising equities market.
Can you prove a cause and effect relationship? Even if true,then why would a temp extention be causing employers to hold back?
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 10, 2011 11:11:33 GMT -5
When I used to hire, the mail order and online degrees went into the same pile as the Associate degrees and high school diplomas. Then they went into the circular file. Now that's discrimination!!! Seriously, not everybody does the same thing...especially when they face constant shortages of employees. Besides, with a lower level degree, many "legit" universities are offering graduate level degrees online. For example UF offers Neonatal Nurse Practitioner and Post Masters Doctor of Nursing Practice degrees online.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Mar 10, 2011 11:47:20 GMT -5
I thought that argument was for extending the Bush tax breaks,that business was holding off to see whether they would be extended,and if they were,a flood of hiring would begin. They are only extended temporarily. ...and we now have healthcare law that is still in play... or maybe out of play... or maybe is in play...
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Post by workpublic on Mar 10, 2011 11:52:21 GMT -5
When I used to hire, the mail order and online degrees went into the same pile as the Associate degrees and high school diplomas. Then they went into the circular file.
Now that's discrimination!!!
yes that is a case of using qualification as discrimination.
scrap the whole resume, degree system and use aptitude tests. it's fairer and cheaper. "college" has run it's course in America.
why does a secretary need a bachelor's degree?
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 10, 2011 12:07:44 GMT -5
When I used to hire, the mail order and online degrees went into the same pile as the Associate degrees and high school diplomas. Then they went into the circular file. Now that's discrimination!!! yes that is a case of using qualification as discrimination. scrap the whole resume, degree system and use aptitude tests. it's fairer and cheaper. "college" has run it's course in America. The public schooling system in this country was developed to meet the needs of the elite. As it is no longer satisfying those needs, it is not surprising that it will soon be scraped.
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Post by workpublic on Mar 10, 2011 12:12:58 GMT -5
The public schooling system in this country was developed to meet the needs of the elite. As it is no longer satisfying those needs, it is not surprising that it will soon be scraped. agree! when an "exclusive" thing because a dime a dozen, it has exceeded it's usefulness.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 10, 2011 12:15:50 GMT -5
It is spelled: tchotchke. Now try to pronounce it, I know how but others, wait one.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 10, 2011 12:16:49 GMT -5
The public schooling system in this country was developed to meet the needs of the elite. As it is no longer satisfying those needs, it is not surprising that it will soon be scraped. agree! when an "exclusive" thing because a dime a dozen, it has exceeded it's usefulness. And when it is accessible by off-spring of the non-elite.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 10, 2011 12:20:13 GMT -5
That is a Yiddish word, not necessarily Russian. I've known this word for nearly 20 years. I know you are jealous Arch, just admit it.... Now try to say it correctly, I know how but..wait one, Ok here ya go...theres the prononciation, a great yiddish word...fits a lot of things as so many do.. tchotch·ke (chchk) n. Variant of chachka. broad AA "ahh" . ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms Noun 1. tchotchke - (Yiddish) an attractive, unconventional woman chachka, tchotchkeleh, tsatske, tshatshke Yiddish - a dialect of High German including some Hebrew and other words; spoken in Europe as a vernacular by many Jews; written in the Hebrew script fille, girl, miss, missy, young lady, young woman - a young woman; "a young lady of 18" 2. tchotchke - (Yiddish) an inexpensive showy trinket chachka, tsatske, tshatshke collectable, collectible - things considered to be worth collecting (not necessarily valuable or antique) Yiddish - a dialect of High German including some Hebrew and other words; spoken in Europe as a vernacular by many Jews; written in the Hebrew script
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Post by workpublic on Mar 10, 2011 12:40:36 GMT -5
And when it is accessible by off-spring of the non-elite.
yet when college was only accessible to the elite. the middle class still formed and thrived.
seems now that everyone can get a master's degree, not so much. what happened?
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Post by Bluerobin on Mar 10, 2011 12:58:09 GMT -5
Our company had a policy - no degree, no job! Yep, even mail room applicants had to have a degree. We paid extremely, were non union and had multiple applicants for every position.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 10, 2011 13:07:43 GMT -5
Can you prove a cause and effect relationship? Even if true,then why would a temp extention be causing employers to hold back?
Temporary measures and uncertainty in what is coming out of Washington creates uneasiness in business expansion and hiring plans. This is just elementary stuff.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 10, 2011 13:11:18 GMT -5
Nurses are in high demand and it pays quite well. DW actually has a hard time filling vacant positions on her staff. My mother and sister are both nurses and they say they can't go to Florida because they won't get paid as well, and there aren't as many jobs. I have always found that hard to believe because it's God's waiting room, isn't it? How could they not have a shortage? I should put you all in touch. Have they actually investigated or relying on word of mouth. possible the hourly might be lower but with the prices of homes, condo's here now, lordy I live in a over 55 community, yes they are 35 years old but as well kept up as any, great area as far as shopping, on a Golf Course, a two, two , friend of mines, just sold for $33,000, and in very, very good shape. Some one wants to up grade bathrooms, kitchen..easily done. Just a idea of cost of living and would think nursing jobs here easily filled, just thinking, possible I am wrong and no more snow and cold, Has to be worth something , plus a new Baseball Stadium next year. ;D
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 10, 2011 14:58:50 GMT -5
It is spelled: tchotchke. Now try to pronounce it, I know how but others, wait one. chäch-kə
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 10, 2011 15:38:28 GMT -5
Now try to pronounce it, I know how but others, wait one. chäch-kə There ya go don't forget {s} for many of them..
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Mar 10, 2011 15:47:46 GMT -5
My mother and sister are both nurses and they say they can't go to Florida because they won't get paid as well, and there aren't as many jobs. I have always found that hard to believe because it's God's waiting room, isn't it? How could they not have a shortage? I should put you all in touch. Have they actually investigated or relying on word of mouth. possible the hourly might be lower but with the prices of homes, condo's here now, lordy I live in a over 55 community, yes they are 35 years old but as well kept up as any, great area as far as shopping, on a Golf Course, a two, two , friend of mines, just sold for $33,000, and in very, very good shape. Some one wants to up grade bathrooms, kitchen..easily done. Just a idea of cost of living and would think nursing jobs here easily filled, just thinking, possible I am wrong and no more snow and cold, Has to be worth something , plus a new Baseball Stadium next year. ;D Florida has no state income tax, that is gotta be worth something
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 10, 2011 16:35:01 GMT -5
Let's face it...middle class is not a 3,000sf mcmansion with two new cars, a boat and an RV in the drive. It's about time the middle class accepts that reality and learns to deal with it.Not to worry soon middle class with be a double wide or a travel trailer to live in. Nothing wrong with a MH...as long as you're not stupid enough to stay in it with a hurricane is bearing down on you. I actually lived in one for a couple years after moving down here. The newer ones are much nicer (and feel better built) than the older ones though. It could be a matter of choice or it could be out of necessity...you never know. After my divorce, I couldn't afford child support, rent and dockage for the boat....something had to go. So, being the swamp yankee I am, I rented the slip and lived on the boat. It's all about priorities Winters were hell (frozen over) but I'd do it again.
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Post by Bluerobin on Mar 10, 2011 16:38:47 GMT -5
PS, sorry, I for one do not think the online degrees are worth the paper they are written on. College is an experience as well as an education.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 10, 2011 17:16:55 GMT -5
PS, sorry, I for one do not think the online degrees are worth the paper they are written on. College is an experience as well as an education. Blue robin , I saw your post and possible your correct, however I just did a quick google of my Alma Mater, University of Connecticut, main campus, in state student , room board and the most popular food program. {Not sure if that includes weekends, lets assume it does, then you have to add books, snacks, some entertainment, odds and ends, a date, but with out that, you are looking at $20,000 plus} This is considered one of the better State Land Grant Universitues in the nation in so many departments. They have just finished a $1 Billion improvement, building program to the campus, updated, new facilities, so it is a well established university. For so many, that is a stretch, $20,000 per. Granted the experience , living away from home, interaction with peers, yadda, yadda, but still, the cost, and here there is no comparison to a private school, or a out of state student to another say Land Grant University, insurmountable and possible , courses taken on line, branch schools for the first two years , will become the norm rather then the exception.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 10, 2011 17:24:05 GMT -5
My mother and sister are both nurses and they say they can't go to Florida because they won't get paid as well, and there aren't as many jobs. I have always found that hard to believe because it's God's waiting room, isn't it? How could they not have a shortage? I should put you all in touch. Have they actually investigated or relying on word of mouth. possible the hourly might be lower but with the prices of homes, condo's here now, lordy I live in a over 55 community, yes they are 35 years old but as well kept up as any, great area as far as shopping, on a Golf Course, a two, two , friend of mines, just sold for $33,000, and in very, very good shape. Some one wants to up grade bathrooms, kitchen..easily done. Just a idea of cost of living and would think nursing jobs here easily filled, just thinking, possible I am wrong and no more snow and cold, Has to be worth something , plus a new Baseball Stadium next year. ;D Honestly? I think they just don't want to move- and that's perfectly legitimate. I think they just can't a) Admit I ever had a good idea in my life, and b) feel like they owe an explanation other than mere personal preference.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 10, 2011 17:34:14 GMT -5
The idea that an online degree isn't as valuable as a degree from the centuries old model is a little old fashioned. We aren't talking about a correspondence course in dog walking from late night UHF.
And one day- maybe sooner than you think, you're going to be sending your resume to a guy with a University of Phoenix degree, and he might feel like filing your degree in the circular file.
I think it's a little short sighted just to write it off because it's new, and/or because they had trouble getting accredited in a system where the competition sets the rules. In fact, that very struggle might have made them better.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 10, 2011 17:35:26 GMT -5
And that's coming from someone that generally agrees with the sentiment that "college has run its course".
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Post by workpublic on Mar 10, 2011 18:29:15 GMT -5
i was just stating the fact that after the explosion of online masters and phds being earned. that corporate America looked deeper into where people got their degrees from. i don't know how it is now. but many stand alone, not associated with brick and mortar colleges, online "schools" were selling worthless degrees because there weren't accredited.
u of phoenix online probably had to partner some way with an established, accredited university to bring their degrees up to standards.
u of phoenix is the pioneer, but there are hundreds of "online degree" companies now.
i say do away with degree qualification for hiring and administer job related aptitude tests.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 10, 2011 22:50:29 GMT -5
Have they actually investigated or relying on word of mouth. possible the hourly might be lower but with the prices of homes, condo's here now, lordy I live in a over 55 community, yes they are 35 years old but as well kept up as any, great area as far as shopping, on a Golf Course, a two, two , friend of mines, just sold for $33,000, and in very, very good shape. Some one wants to up grade bathrooms, kitchen..easily done. Just a idea of cost of living and would think nursing jobs here easily filled, just thinking, possible I am wrong and no more snow and cold, Has to be worth something , plus a new Baseball Stadium next year. ;D Honestly? I think they just don't want to move- and that's perfectly legitimate. I think they just can't a) Admit I ever had a good idea in my life, and b) feel like they owe an explanation other than mere personal preference. Honestly, in Margate, nice clean town, but it takes something to move especially when older...and even the town houses and bigger places are good buys here, and as you said, weather , compared with what my family lived with in NE this year...not for this guy.
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