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Post by EVT1 on May 29, 2015 13:44:09 GMT -5
Wow- what a bunch of assholes.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on May 29, 2015 14:36:19 GMT -5
One thing I've learned in this life is that if one wishes for others to respect their beliefs, they have to be willing to give it back. I'm wondering how that Marine would feel if people desecrated something that was sacred to him - like the American Flag? I have no problems with people standing up for their beliefs but these people only appear to be standing against something they, most likely, know little to nothing about. And they are trying to pretty it up with talk of freedom of speech, etc. Want it? Be willing to allow others the same right. It makes me sad that some people just suck, but I'm getting used to it.
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Post by billisonboard on May 29, 2015 14:41:06 GMT -5
Hopefully no innocents are killed or injured.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 29, 2015 16:09:19 GMT -5
It's like the organizers of this 'event' hope something violent happens so they can say "See-we told you so."
Smart folks know you don't poke a hornet's nest.
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Post by EVT1 on May 29, 2015 16:19:22 GMT -5
There was talk on the radio about bikers coming to join in- something also about using their second amendment rights just in case they run into a problem with the first.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 29, 2015 16:57:33 GMT -5
Anderson Cooper Confronts Anti-Islam Rally Organizer: Aren’t You ‘Promoting Violence?’The Phoenix man behind an anti-Islam rally and yet another “Draw Muhammad” contest joined CNN’s Anderson Cooper Thursday night to explain why he is “encouraging hundreds of armed people to gather outside of a mosque during prayer service wearing t-shirts saying ‘f— Islam.'” “I’m trying to achieve exposing Islam and that truth what is written in the Koran,” Jon Ritzheimer told Cooper, comparing himself to the signers of the Declaration of Independence because he doesn’t want to “live in fear.” The former Marine had some trouble answering Cooper’s questions about how he justified defending an Islamic government in Iraq with his hatred for that religion. He said he doesn’t believe Americans serving in Afghanistan today are supporting terrorism but does believe that “true Islam is terrorism.” Asked by Cooper if he is “playing into the narrative of ISIS, of Al Qaeda, which is basically trying to say there is a war between Islam and the West,” Ritzheimer replied, “Sure,” without elaboration. Moments later, he said, “I don’t believe in a war.” “You don’t think bringing guns to a mosque while families are praying inside and wearing t-shirts that say ‘f— Islam’ and shouting whatever it is you’re going to shot at them, as they come and as they go, you don’t think that is promoting violence at all?” Cooper asked. Ritzheimer would only say in response that he finds the cartoon contest “stupid and ridiculous, but it is what needs to take place in order to expose the true colors of Islam.” Anderson Cooper Confronts Anti-Islam Rally Organizer: Aren’t You ‘Promoting Violence?’
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 19:01:23 GMT -5
Je suis Charlie!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 19:02:57 GMT -5
There was talk on the radio about bikers coming to join in- something also about using their second amendment rights just in case they run into a problem with the first. The nerve of people wanting to stand up for the constitutional rights of others.
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Post by Opti on May 29, 2015 19:10:36 GMT -5
There was talk on the radio about bikers coming to join in- something also about using their second amendment rights just in case they run into a problem with the first. The nerve of people wanting to stand up for the constitutional rights of others. I don't think that's the plan.
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Post by Opti on May 29, 2015 19:14:02 GMT -5
I really wonder what would happen if someone started a 'Fuck Christianity' protest. What would happen if someone held a protest like that and the goal was to draw Christ having sex or Josh Duggar molesting girls. That wouldn't expose anything about Christianity, just expose some people were jerks.
These people are jerks and I don't think they realize it.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 19:17:49 GMT -5
I really wonder what would happen if someone started a 'Fuck Christianity' protest. What would happen if someone held a protest like that and the goal was to draw Christ having sex or Josh Duggar molesting girls. That wouldn't expose anything about Christianity, just expose some people were jerks.
These people are jerks and I don't think they realize it. It is a political statement that says terrorists should not be the ones who say what is and is not permissable. Do you want them telling you what you cannot wear? Or is it just what you cannnot draw that concerns you? Because the people killing over drawings of Mohamed often care what you wear.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 29, 2015 19:28:20 GMT -5
I really wonder what would happen if someone started a 'Fuck Christianity' protest. What would happen if someone held a protest like that and the goal was to draw Christ having sex or Josh Duggar molesting girls. That wouldn't expose anything about Christianity, just expose some people were jerks.
These people are jerks and I don't think they realize it. And don't forget the non-Christian protesters outside the Christian church carrying guns as it is reported the protesters will be doing outside the Muslim mosque.
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Post by Opti on May 29, 2015 19:36:48 GMT -5
I really wonder what would happen if someone started a 'Fuck Christianity' protest. What would happen if someone held a protest like that and the goal was to draw Christ having sex or Josh Duggar molesting girls. That wouldn't expose anything about Christianity, just expose some people were jerks.
These people are jerks and I don't think they realize it. It is a political statement that says terrorists should not be the ones who say what is and is not permissable. Do you want them telling you what you cannot wear? Or is it just what you cannnot draw that concerns you? Because the people killing over drawings of Mohamed often care what you wear. IMO you don't protect free speech by trying to cause incidents. Its not held near a mosque because there are so many, and they couldn't possibly find elsewhere to have it. Its a Westboro Baptist type move. Being rude and offensive to others while pretending it is all about free speech.
I have no desire to draw Mohammed nor do I think its a burning issue for most of us. I do not get why having a drawing contest will effect at all what the Duggars think I should wear, ISIS, or anyone else. Remember to wear shorts that are knee length now that it is summer. The Duggars want you to dress modestly.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 19:47:21 GMT -5
It is a political statement that says terrorists should not be the ones who say what is and is not permissable. Do you want them telling you what you cannot wear? Or is it just what you cannnot draw that concerns you? Because the people killing over drawings of Mohamed often care what you wear. IMO you don't protect free speech by trying to cause incidents. Its not held near a mosque because there are so many, and they couldn't possibly find elsewhere to have it. Its a Westboro Baptist type move. Being rude and offensive to others while pretending it is all about free speech.
I have no desire to draw Mohammed nor do I think its a burning issue for most of us. I do not get why having a drawing contest will effect at all what the Duggars think I should wear, ISIS, or anyone else. Remember to wear shorts that are knee length now that it is summer. The Duggars want you to dress modestly.
I had a gay friend who would not say he was gay to the neighbors because he was afraid of violence. Those neighbors did not have a burning desire to have sex with men. They were just violent asses who wanted to bully someone they disagreed with into doing what they wanted. Are you only for protecting rights you think are pretty or are important to you? Do you ever stray outside of the majority? People who want to terrorize others into self-censoring are the problem. If some don't want to see a drawing of Mohamed they can stay home for one day.
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Post by Opti on May 29, 2015 19:57:56 GMT -5
IMO you don't protect free speech by trying to cause incidents. Its not held near a mosque because there are so many, and they couldn't possibly find elsewhere to have it. Its a Westboro Baptist type move. Being rude and offensive to others while pretending it is all about free speech.
I have no desire to draw Mohammed nor do I think its a burning issue for most of us. I do not get why having a drawing contest will effect at all what the Duggars think I should wear, ISIS, or anyone else. Remember to wear shorts that are knee length now that it is summer. The Duggars want you to dress modestly.
I had a gay friend who would not say he was gay to the neighbors because he was afraid of violence. Those neighbors did not have a burning desire to have sex with men. They were just violent asses who wanted to bully someone they disagreed with into doing what they wanted. Are you only for protecting rights you think are pretty or are important to you? Do you ever stray outside of the majority? People who want to terrorize others into self-censoring are the problem. If some don't want to see a drawing of Mohamed they can stay home for one day. Are you serious?
Holding events in America will not change radical Muslim extremist minds. If it has any effect though, it is likely to promote hatred against the US not kudos from Muslims the world over on free speech. Muslims are not going to decide drawing cartoons of Mohammed is AOK just because people decide to have some protests in the US. Last I checked it is still illegal to kill people for drawings whether we like them or not. I do not see how this event makes anything better, but I definitely can see how it could make things worse.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on May 29, 2015 20:00:12 GMT -5
I really wonder what would happen if someone started a 'Fuck Christianity' protest. What would happen if someone held a protest like that and the goal was to draw Christ having sex or Josh Duggar molesting girls. That wouldn't expose anything about Christianity, just expose some people were jerks.
These people are jerks and I don't think they realize it. It is a political statement that says terrorists should not be the ones who say what is and is not permissable. Do you want them telling you what you cannot wear? Or is it just what you cannnot draw that concerns you? Because the people killing over drawings of Mohamed often care what you wear. I know I'm not going to be able to say this very well...but acting like these people are acting IS allowing terrorists to rule. Those people who came out shooting over drawings were despicable. But acting in a retaliatory manner IS allowing them to win. NOT allowing them to dictate what is or isn't permissible is accomplished, in my opinion, but not behaving in the same manner as they are...which is what these people are doing. They are inciting (or attempting to incite) violence, in my opinion. That is no better than terrorist activity. We prevail by rising above...by respecting one another. Not by reducing ourselves to a terrorist level.
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Post by Opti on May 29, 2015 20:44:57 GMT -5
I hate when zealots on any side try to pretend all Christians are the same, all Muslims are the same. Is history so in the moment that lots of people on FB can pretend no abuses are going on in the name of any Christian religion anywhere?
It is not just young Muslim women dying in childbirth because of their religion. It happens to women of other faiths as well depending on where they live - Hindu, Catholic... Try to pretend all religious abuse comes from Islam if you can't handle the truth, but I'm not buying it.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 21:15:51 GMT -5
It is a political statement that says terrorists should not be the ones who say what is and is not permissable. Do you want them telling you what you cannot wear? Or is it just what you cannnot draw that concerns you? Because the people killing over drawings of Mohamed often care what you wear. I know I'm not going to be able to say this very well...but acting like these people are acting IS allowing terrorists to rule. Those people who came out shooting over drawings were despicable. But acting in a retaliatory manner IS allowing them to win. NOT allowing them to dictate what is or isn't permissible is accomplished, in my opinion, but not behaving in the same manner as they are...which is what these people are doing. They are inciting (or attempting to incite) violence, in my opinion. That is no better than terrorist activity. We prevail by rising above...by respecting one another. Not by reducing ourselves to a terrorist level. Drawing a picture of Mohamedis noot the same as murder. I think Deminmaine's comment was dispicable. Its almost okay to murder or commit violence against someone over a drawing. Should he have to self-censor because he is afraid to be killed for writing something. There is no way a drawing can be so offensive that it justifies violence. Je suis Charlie. I wish they would do something like this in every major city in America. I would go. Or violated not a symbol, but something even more valuable, like our right to freedom of speech?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 21:17:14 GMT -5
It is a political statement that says terrorists should not be the ones who say what is and is not permissable. Do you want them telling you what you cannot wear? Or is it just what you cannnot draw that concerns you? Because the people killing over drawings of Mohamed often care what you wear. IMO you don't protect free speech by trying to cause incidents. Its not held near a mosque because there are so many, and they couldn't possibly find elsewhere to have it. Its a Westboro Baptist type move. Being rude and offensive to others while pretending it is all about free speech.
I have no desire to draw Mohammed nor do I think its a burning issue for most of us. I do not get why having a drawing contest will effect at all what the Duggars think I should wear, ISIS, or anyone else. Remember to wear shorts that are knee length now that it is summer. The Duggars want you to dress modestly.
IMO you protect free speech by speaking freely and supporting other's right to do the same.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 29, 2015 21:30:21 GMT -5
IMO you don't protect free speech by trying to cause incidents. Its not held near a mosque because there are so many, and they couldn't possibly find elsewhere to have it. Its a Westboro Baptist type move. Being rude and offensive to others while pretending it is all about free speech.
I have no desire to draw Mohammed nor do I think its a burning issue for most of us. I do not get why having a drawing contest will effect at all what the Duggars think I should wear, ISIS, or anyone else. Remember to wear shorts that are knee length now that it is summer. The Duggars want you to dress modestly.
IMO you protect free speech by speaking freely and supporting other's right to do the same. SO you bring guns to another religion's prayer service to protest free speech. What about this groups' freedom to practice their religion in peace? Sick fucks. Sick. And anyone else who agrees with this is sick fuck too.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on May 29, 2015 22:00:06 GMT -5
I know I'm not going to be able to say this very well...but acting like these people are acting IS allowing terrorists to rule. Those people who came out shooting over drawings were despicable. But acting in a retaliatory manner IS allowing them to win. NOT allowing them to dictate what is or isn't permissible is accomplished, in my opinion, but not behaving in the same manner as they are...which is what these people are doing. They are inciting (or attempting to incite) violence, in my opinion. That is no better than terrorist activity. We prevail by rising above...by respecting one another. Not by reducing ourselves to a terrorist level. Drawing a picture of Mohamedis noot the same as murder. I think Deminmaine's comment was dispicable. Its almost okay to murder or commit violence against someone over a drawing. Should he have to self-censor because he is afraid to be killed for writing something. There is no way a drawing can be so offensive that it justifies violence. Je suis Charlie. I wish they would do something like this in every major city in America. I would go. Or violated not a symbol, but something even more valuable, like our right to freedom of speech? I do understand what you are saying. I agree that drawing a picture is not the same as murder, but can you see that the desecration of something sacred is, to some, as hurtful? For example, if I saw you spitting on flag of the United States of America, it would hurt me worse than if you punched me in the face. If I saw you make disgusting cartoon representations of Jesus, it would cut me to the quick. However, if all I want to do is hurt you right back, I'm no better than you (the general you). I'd prefer to take the high road and know that while I do have the freedom of speech, I also have the freedom not to use it when it's hurtful to others. Just because we can do something doesn't mean it's right to do it.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on May 29, 2015 22:11:53 GMT -5
I would add that while it's only my opinion....protecting the right to free speech is NOT their real purpose. I could be wrong.
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Post by Opti on May 29, 2015 22:15:20 GMT -5
IMO you don't protect free speech by trying to cause incidents. Its not held near a mosque because there are so many, and they couldn't possibly find elsewhere to have it. Its a Westboro Baptist type move. Being rude and offensive to others while pretending it is all about free speech.
I have no desire to draw Mohammed nor do I think its a burning issue for most of us. I do not get why having a drawing contest will effect at all what the Duggars think I should wear, ISIS, or anyone else. Remember to wear shorts that are knee length now that it is summer. The Duggars want you to dress modestly.
IMO you protect free speech by speaking freely and supporting other's right to do the same. This has nothing to do with free speech in the US or France. The laws have not changed. This is purely about people who are upset about ISIS and the Charles Hedbo killings. Speech will be no freer before or after these protests. This is Westboro Baptist, in your face, I want to annoy the crap out of you stuff.
The organizers feel impotent against ISIS and similar groups. So they are attempting to use local Muslims as a vent for their rage. If you or anyone really cares about saving free speech against accepted Islam thought in various countries, there are several bloggers and activists that could use your help.
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Post by mroped on May 29, 2015 22:24:33 GMT -5
The writers of the Constitution were educated people. Gentleman behavior was the norm. Greetings were ofered even to an enemy and respect for others was part of life. I doubt it ever crossed their mind that people will use their freedom of speech for the purpose of verbally insulting another human being, friend or foe. Insulting a whole faith using crass language should not be covered under the freedom of speech. It should be punished under "derogatory/inflammatory remarks".
wouldnt "Fuck Islam" fall under blasphemy by a religious standard?
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Post by weltschmerz on May 30, 2015 1:46:44 GMT -5
Oh, I have absolutely no doubt about which side you'd be on. You hate gays, too.
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Post by mroped on May 30, 2015 6:48:48 GMT -5
And they say "ignorance is a bliss!" Not in this case!
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Post by Tennesseer on May 30, 2015 7:00:25 GMT -5
Thankfully, there were counter-protesters there to counter the insanity of the protest organizers and their ilk.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 7:36:06 GMT -5
Drawing a picture of Mohamedis noot the same as murder. I think Deminmaine's comment was dispicable. Its almost okay to murder or commit violence against someone over a drawing. Should he have to self-censor because he is afraid to be killed for writing something. There is no way a drawing can be so offensive that it justifies violence. Je suis Charlie. I wish they would do something like this in every major city in America. I would go. Or violated not a symbol, but something even more valuable, like our right to freedom of speech? I do understand what you are saying. I agree that drawing a picture is not the same as murder, but can you see that the desecration of something sacred is, to some, as hurtful? For example, if I saw you spitting on flag of the United States of America, it would hurt me worse than if you punched me in the face. If I saw you make disgusting cartoon representations of Jesus, it would cut me to the quick. However, if all I want to do is hurt you right back, I'm no better than you (the general you). I'd prefer to take the high road and know that while I do have the freedom of speech, I also have the freedom not to use it when it's hurtful to others. Just because we can do something doesn't mean it's right to do it. If we as a society gave in and outlawed drawing Mohamed, do you think that would be the end of it? I think the battle would just move on to something else the terrorists didn't approve of, maybe what women wear or if they drive. What does the flag symbolize to you? For me it is freedom. I would rather protect those freedoms then a symbol of them.
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