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Post by billisonboard on May 19, 2015 19:32:23 GMT -5
So women who were not even born during that time think it was better and that thinking is based on a television show.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 19, 2015 19:35:36 GMT -5
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Post by mroped on May 19, 2015 19:42:22 GMT -5
Women! Can't live with them, can't live without them! But guess what: the shoe is on the other foot now! That being said: bring it on ladies; I'll be in town all week!(that mostly because if my wife reads this, I'll need a motel room which is...in town-20 miles away!)
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Post by djAdvocate on May 19, 2015 19:56:23 GMT -5
sexy is knowing who you are, and what you want. if that includes chivalry, cool.
i treat women with respect and courtesy. but i am not putting on pretenses for anyone.
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Post by happyhoix on May 20, 2015 8:32:25 GMT -5
I don't understand how they got that from Mad Men.
Don Draper was a cad. He slept with anyone who was remotely attractive and had a vagina. Yes he was handsome, but as they say, handsome is as handsome does.
As for the women being desired and cherished - again, don't know how they got that from this show. The wives mostly got cheated on, the secretaries were obligated to put out (or at least, let themselves get felt up). When Peggy first went to work there, Joan took her to her OBGYN to get her BC pills, knowing that Peggy would be expected to service her male bosses. It showed how extremely hard it was for two very talented female staff members, Peggy and Joan, to be taken seriously (and paid equally) with the boys. Hell, how did Joan end up becoming a partner in the first place? She negotiated her partnership by banging a client.
I knew a woman a while back who used to rant about how much she hated women's lib because before, women were allowed to just stay at home and do nothing while they waited for a man to marry them. Her dad made her either get a job or go to college after HS, which pissed her off, and it was all women's lib's fault, because apparently, back in the good old days, women got to sit around, paint their nails, watch the soaps and eat bonbons, while first their dads and then their husbands took care of them.
It's the revisionist history trap. The same allure that some people feel towards re-enacting the Civil War. Seems fun, but really, it sucks.
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Post by mmhmm on May 20, 2015 9:01:18 GMT -5
So I read this earlier, and ran out to get a narrow tie, single breasted suit and wing tips. Stopped into the coffee shop and told the broad there that I wanted a coffee, medium with milk, and a paper. She looked at me, pointed to the coffee station and said "Sure, help yourself".
What's the matter with that dame anyway? I said "Lady, if I wanted to get it myself I would have called up the wife, y'know whadI mean?" She looks at me like I got two heads. So I light up a smoke, and now another broad comes out, and starts yelling at me!
I don't need this crap..... these dames must be nuts! so I go down to Skip's. Figure I'll have an eye opener instead. There was another broad- behind the bar!!! "You can't smoke in here!" she barks. Jesus H. Christ, I think to myself. Has everybody gone off their nut
I see this Mexican looking guy sitting in the corner. "Hey boy" I say, "whats'a matter with that crazy dame over there? Ain't she gettin' enough?" He gets up and scowls "Who you calling boy?" he snarled. I just shake my head. That's it, I'm outta here!
I don't get this at all. I get to work. I see the cute kid at the Reception when I walk in. "Hey Toots!" I say nice like as I breeze past. "Move those cute little buns of yours an' get me a coffee would ya?" She gets up- cute boobies a swaying- reaches over, and slaps me in the face!
It's been a loooong day. So I get home, set down, and tell the wife to fix me a drink- a nice long tall one. I'm tired, and I tell her to make it snappy. Now SHE gives me what for. WTF ROFL! Shades of the fifties and early sixties are clouding my vision! Boy, do I remember those days!
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Post by mmhmm on May 20, 2015 9:02:46 GMT -5
sexy is knowing who you are, and what you want. if that includes chivalry, cool. i treat women with respect and courtesy. but i am not putting on pretenses for anyone. I think that's all most people want - male, or female. If you treat others with respect that's usually what you'll get in return. I don't know anyone who's looking for a pretentious person to hang around with.
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Post by Opti on May 20, 2015 9:22:58 GMT -5
There are four opinions total in the article, the author and three other women. Personally I'm not willing to conclude its big desire of lots of people but the typical tendency of people to see the good, be jealous, and ignore the bad.
“It’s like we’ve become this commodity where men can pick out what they want whenever they want,” said Alicia, 37, who works in advertising and lives downtown.
A lot of the show’s male characters spent their time chasing young women around the office and a lot of the female characters spent their time trying to land or keep a husband.
Sounds amazingly the same to me overall, but Alicia is probably mesmerized by the clothes and the rich characters on the show and ignoring the cheating and sexual assaults that were portrayed on the show.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on May 20, 2015 9:30:54 GMT -5
Leave It To Beaver Syndrome. The good old days. Where was my Leave It To Beaver life?
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Post by Tennesseer on May 20, 2015 9:34:00 GMT -5
Leave It To Beaver Syndrome. The good old days. Where was my Leave It To Beaver life? You, me, and most others lived the real life, warts and all.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 20, 2015 10:20:03 GMT -5
I don't understand how they got that from Mad Men. Don Draper was a cad. He slept with anyone who was remotely attractive and had a vagina. Yes he was handsome, but as they say, handsome is as handsome does. As for the women being desired and cherished - again, don't know how they got that from this show. The wives mostly got cheated on, the secretaries were obligated to put out (or at least, let themselves get felt up). When Peggy first went to work there, Joan took her to her OBGYN to get her BC pills, knowing that Peggy would be expected to service her male bosses. It showed how extremely hard it was for two very talented female staff members, Peggy and Joan, to be taken seriously (and paid equally) with the boys. Hell, how did Joan end up becoming a partner in the first place? She negotiated her partnership by banging a client. I knew a woman a while back who used to rant about how much she hated women's lib because before, women were allowed to just stay at home and do nothing while they waited for a man to marry them. Her dad made her either get a job or go to college after HS, which pissed her off, and it was all women's lib's fault, because apparently, back in the good old days, women got to sit around, paint their nails, watch the soaps and eat bonbons, while first their dads and then their husbands took care of them. It's the revisionist history trap. The same allure that some people feel towards re-enacting the Civil War. Seems fun, but really, it sucks. i think a feminist critique of that show would be interesting, based on what you just said.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 20, 2015 10:21:37 GMT -5
So I read this earlier, and ran out to get a narrow tie, single breasted suit and wing tips. Stopped into the coffee shop and told the broad there that I wanted a coffee, medium with milk, and a paper. She looked at me, pointed to the coffee station and said "Sure, help yourself".
What's the matter with that dame anyway? I said "Lady, if I wanted to get it myself I would have called up the wife, y'know whadI mean?" She looks at me like I got two heads. So I light up a smoke, and now another broad comes out, and starts yelling at me!
I don't need this crap..... these dames must be nuts! so I go down to Skip's. Figure I'll have an eye opener instead. There was another broad- behind the bar!!! "You can't smoke in here!" she barks. Jesus H. Christ, I think to myself. Has everybody gone off their nut
I see this Mexican looking guy sitting in the corner. "Hey boy" I say, "whats'a matter with that crazy dame over there? Ain't she gettin' enough?" He gets up and scowls "Who you calling boy?" he snarled. I just shake my head. That's it, I'm outta here!
I don't get this at all. I get to work. I see the cute kid at the Reception when I walk in. "Hey Toots!" I say nice like as I breeze past. "Move those cute little buns of yours an' get me a coffee would ya?" She gets up- cute boobies a swaying- reaches over, and slaps me in the face!
It's been a loooong day. So I get home, set down, and tell the wife to fix me a drink- a nice long tall one. I'm tired, and I tell her to make it snappy. Now SHE gives me what for. WTF i nominate this for post of the year.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 20, 2015 10:22:48 GMT -5
There are four opinions total in the article, the author and three other women. Personally I'm not willing to conclude its big desire of lots of people but the typical tendency of people to see the good, be jealous, and ignore the bad.
“It’s like we’ve become this commodity where men can pick out what they want whenever they want,” said Alicia, 37, who works in advertising and lives downtown.
A lot of the show’s male characters spent their time chasing young women around the office and a lot of the female characters spent their time trying to land or keep a husband.
Sounds amazingly the same to me overall, but Alicia is probably mesmerized by the clothes and the rich characters on the show and ignoring the cheating and sexual assaults that were portrayed on the show. sounds like a show that i would not be the least bit interested in.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 20, 2015 10:27:43 GMT -5
Jello Biafra calls this "nostalgia for an age that never existed". people tend to see all of the stuff that looks attractive about an era and forget all of the stuff that sucked about it. the truth is, NOBODY wants things the way they were, other than the people that benefited most during that time, and it sure as hell was not the women.
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Post by happyhoix on May 20, 2015 13:11:22 GMT -5
There are four opinions total in the article, the author and three other women. Personally I'm not willing to conclude its big desire of lots of people but the typical tendency of people to see the good, be jealous, and ignore the bad.
“It’s like we’ve become this commodity where men can pick out what they want whenever they want,” said Alicia, 37, who works in advertising and lives downtown.
A lot of the show’s male characters spent their time chasing young women around the office and a lot of the female characters spent their time trying to land or keep a husband.
Sounds amazingly the same to me overall, but Alicia is probably mesmerized by the clothes and the rich characters on the show and ignoring the cheating and sexual assaults that were portrayed on the show. sounds like a show that i would not be the least bit interested in. Actually I liked the show, because I was born in 1960, and they captured the 60's and 70's pretty good, at least what I remember, from my child's memory. Smoking everywhere, the pencil skirts and beehive hairdos, the kids in saddle shoes. I didn't particularly like any of the characters, (well, I liked Peggy, until she got to be too much like Don) but I enjoyed the sense of deja vu, plus it had a train wreck quality about it that made you want to keep watching. The only way I could see people wanting to relive it, though, would be if they watched it with the sound turned down and focused on the fashions.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 20, 2015 13:31:18 GMT -5
So I read this earlier, and ran out to get a narrow tie, single breasted suit and wing tips. Stopped into the coffee shop and told the broad there that I wanted a coffee, medium with milk, and a paper. She looked at me, pointed to the coffee station and said "Sure, help yourself".
What's the matter with that dame anyway? I said "Lady, if I wanted to get it myself I would have called up the wife, y'know whadI mean?" She looks at me like I got two heads. So I light up a smoke, and now another broad comes out, and starts yelling at me!
I don't need this crap..... these dames must be nuts! so I go down to Skip's. Figure I'll have an eye opener instead. There was another broad- behind the bar!!! "You can't smoke in here!" she barks. Jesus H. Christ, I think to myself. Has everybody gone off their nut
I see this Mexican looking guy sitting in the corner. "Hey boy" I say, "whats'a matter with that crazy dame over there? Ain't she gettin' enough?" He gets up and scowls "Who you calling boy?" he snarled. I just shake my head. That's it, I'm outta here!
I don't get this at all. I get to work. I see the cute kid at the Reception when I walk in. "Hey Toots!" I say nice like as I breeze past. "Move those cute little buns of yours an' get me a coffee would ya?" She gets up- cute boobies a swaying- reaches over, and slaps me in the face!
It's been a loooong day. So I get home, set down, and tell the wife to fix me a drink- a nice long tall one. I'm tired, and I tell her to make it snappy. Now SHE gives me what for. WTF Oh, swoon!! A guy every woman spends a lifetime dreaming about! Not!!
That being said, if SCP read it somewhere, it must be true. That's the kind of douchebag women long for.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 20, 2015 13:49:17 GMT -5
Yes I long for the days when I could be fired just b/c I got married or got pregnant. I want to go back to the days when my wages were not my own they were my husband's. I want to go back to a time where it was totally legal for my boss to sexually harass me.
I want to go back to the day when it was legal for my husband to beat me as long as he didn't leave marks or cause serious injury. I want to go back to the day when I was expected to hurry up and marry and STAY married no matter what.
I want to go back to a time when I couldn't control if I got pregnant and it was perfectly acceptable for my husband to force himself on me b/c it is expected of me to perform my "wifely duties".
Oh yeah the 50's were freaking awesome for women.
I suggest the women in these articles read something about actual history and not base their life dreams on a fictionalized TV show. This makes me think of people who wistfully desire to go back to the "good ole days" of the Depression or pioneer days. How do they know it was so awesome compared to 2015? They watched The Waltons and Little House on the Prairie.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 20, 2015 13:53:15 GMT -5
Oh, how I long for the days when I couldn't get a credit card in my name, couldn't buy a house or a car without the seal of approval from a man. Life was so much easier when all I had to think about was getting stains out of laundry and making the perfect martini.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 20, 2015 13:56:52 GMT -5
Oh, how I long for the days when I couldn't get a credit card in my name, couldn't buy a house or a car without the seal of approval from a man
Come on weltz you know us little women cannot make big important decisions like that for ourselves. It's those evil women's libbers who brainwashed us into thinking we want to and we can. In reality the world would be a much better place if we deferred to those who are capable.
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Post by Opti on May 20, 2015 14:17:24 GMT -5
I think Notkin and perhaps the others are a touch delusional. But maybe that's why Kim Kardashian and Beyoncé are so popular with some women? They can't tell the difference between femininity and the perks & perils of being a very attractive woman.
Notkin can reach for and recreate that power right now. Become the other woman, marry a doctor, get treated like crap and assaulted and then finally leverage sleeping with a client into a promotion at work. Yay power!
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Post by happyhoix on May 20, 2015 14:40:57 GMT -5
Oh, how I long for the days when I couldn't get a credit card in my name, couldn't buy a house or a car without the seal of approval from a man. Life was so much easier when all I had to think about was getting stains out of laundry and making the perfect martini. Don't forget doing laundry and making the perfect martini while wearing high heels, pearls and a nice poofy skirt. The scary thing is, I saw a little bit of a new TLC show this weekend about being a submissive wife. I shit you not - one woman was telling the other one how she should meet her DH at the door every night all dressed up like a night club performer, drink in hand, to offer to massage his neck and fill up his 'love tank.' Otherwise he would go find someone to do that for him elsewhere. So since I earn twice what my DH does, should he meet me at the door every evening in an ass less tux, massage my neck and get me my heffewiess, like a good little sex toy?
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Post by TheHaitian on May 20, 2015 14:42:46 GMT -5
So since I earn twice what my DH does, should he meet me at the door every evening in an ass less tux, massage my neck and get me my heffewiess, like a good little sex toy? I will do it, where do I sign up?
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Post by weltschmerz on May 20, 2015 14:45:54 GMT -5
Oh, how I long for the days when I couldn't get a credit card in my name, couldn't buy a house or a car without the seal of approval from a man. Life was so much easier when all I had to think about was getting stains out of laundry and making the perfect martini. Don't forget doing laundry and making the perfect martini while wearing high heels, pearls and a nice poofy skirt. The scary thing is, I saw a little bit of a new TLC show this weekend about being a submissive wife. I shit you not - one woman was telling the other one how she should meet her DH at the door every night all dressed up like a night club performer, drink in hand, to offer to massage his neck and fill up his 'love tank.' Otherwise he would go find someone to do that for him elsewhere. So since I earn twice what my DH does, should he meet me at the door every evening in an ass less tux, massage my neck and get me my heffewiess, like a good little sex toy? Assless tux is going too far. Assless chaps.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 20, 2015 15:41:01 GMT -5
I'm a caveman. I prefer DH naked. <Ahem>...Cavewoman.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 20, 2015 15:44:29 GMT -5
sounds like a show that i would not be the least bit interested in. Actually I liked the show, because I was born in 1960, and they captured the 60's and 70's pretty good, at least what I remember, from my child's memory. Smoking everywhere, the pencil skirts and beehive hairdos, the kids in saddle shoes. I didn't particularly like any of the characters, (well, I liked Peggy, until she got to be too much like Don) but I enjoyed the sense of deja vu, plus it had a train wreck quality about it that made you want to keep watching. The only way I could see people wanting to relive it, though, would be if they watched it with the sound turned down and focused on the fashions. I never watched the show. Did Don Draper ever open-hand slap a woman across the face to put her in her place?
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Post by billisonboard on May 20, 2015 15:52:30 GMT -5
I'm a caveman. I prefer DH naked. <Ahem>...Cavewoman. I think the politically correct term is Caveperson
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on May 20, 2015 16:23:25 GMT -5
sexy is knowing who you are, and what you want. if that includes chivalry, cool. i treat women with respect and courtesy. but i am not putting on pretenses for anyone. I think that's all most people want - male, or female. If you treat others with respect that's usually what you'll get in return. I don't know anyone who's looking for a pretentious person to hang around with. So exactly that. Be who you are - man or woman. I don't want to find out 8 months later that a guy was pretending to be chivalrous just because he thought that's what I wanted. People want different things in a partner and somebody wants in a partner exactly who we really are - not who we are pretending to be. I don't want to find out 8 months later that a guy hates dogs but was pretending to like mine because he thought he had to. If you can't get along with my dog, just say so...as you leave. And I've never seen the show, but I can about guarantee you from reading the posts here, that is NOT the kind of man anybody I know wants. But then, I don't live in New York so I can't speak for those ladies.
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Post by billisonboard on May 20, 2015 17:06:58 GMT -5
I think that's all most people want - male, or female. If you treat others with respect that's usually what you'll get in return. I don't know anyone who's looking for a pretentious person to hang around with. So exactly that. Be who you are - man or woman. I don't want to find out 8 months later that ... Hear that. The ones that has driven me crazy are the ones who have pretended to have a sex drive.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 20, 2015 18:20:36 GMT -5
Jello Biafra calls this "nostalgia for an age that never existed". people tend to see all of the stuff that looks attractive about an era and forget all of the stuff that sucked about it. the truth is, NOBODY wants things the way they were, other than the people that benefited most during that time, and it sure as hell was not the women. I make it a habit to speak to older people about the way things really were. I think most people have ideas of the 1950's and 1960's that have been painstakingly crafted from liberal and feminist folklore that are every bit the fantasy as "nostalgia for an age that never existed"- which I do not argue is a real thing. I read the article differently. I ASSUMED that the author both knows, and knows we know, that "Mad Men" is the stuff of fantasy from Hollywood. It is my opinion that the author simply used the show as a device to address the substance at the heart of what's really bothering her: a lack of stability, predictability, and normalcy that comes from traditional (natural) gender roles. She cited statistics- they are what they are. Ozzy and Harriett, and Leave It To Beaver may have been fantasy- but what do you think is on now? There's no such thing as "Modern Family", either. And Mad Men was a fantasy- there never was a "man's world" where men chased women around the office pinching their asses and yelling at them to get coffee-- that, too, is "nostalgia for an age that never existed".
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