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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 9, 2011 17:16:07 GMT -5
Pub dupes- have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. At the moment, medicaid (free!! but you paid taxes for it...)in NY is for those making less than $800/month. After 2014, for up to $14k, 29K for family of 4- also subsidies for above that up t0 88k family of 4- Stillcheaper then ER care, as you found out ...Jeez!! What does that comment refering to 2014 have to do with this?? "Actually, the deal Obama gives small business is so good thousands of them are signing up NOW But keep repeating Pub/Foxcrappe... "Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=politics&action=display&thread=4518&page=1#ixzz1G8wShWPi
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 9, 2011 17:19:10 GMT -5
duh ;D- ii's all Health Reform dupes don't understand...The misinformation they swallow is astounding...
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 9, 2011 17:20:44 GMT -5
duh ;D- ii's all Health Reform dupes don't understand... thanx for clearing that up for us... But again we are discussing why Maine asked for a waiver: The Affordable Care Act allows states to petition to delay the federal standard until 2014 on how much money from premiums must go to medical care for the individual market. Administrative costs tend to be higher on those plans than on insurance plans provided through employers.
The federal law envisions that by 2014 there will be health insurance exchanges to provide individuals with new, affordable options for health care options.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 9, 2011 17:31:03 GMT -5
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Post by EVT1 on Mar 9, 2011 17:31:48 GMT -5
I find this very unfortunate. This was requested by our Tea Party governor "Kiss my A" LePage on behalf of a second tier insurance company that provides cheaper high deductible plans to people who can't afford regular insurance. This is a step backwards. It sucks but at least it's just temporary- the way I read it everything happens in 2014 regardless and the waivers are only to give time for the exchanges to be set up so when the big monopoly insurers threaten to pack up it won't matter. The bigger mystery is why in the hell are they running a 65% loss ratio in the first place. More evidence the insurance based system is fatally flawed. We need a nationwide opt in for Medicare- I wonder how the insurance companies would react to that one? As a side note Medicare has a 97% MLR.
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Post by workpublic on Mar 9, 2011 17:32:22 GMT -5
all those thousands of small businesses currently signing up for obamacare better hope there are insurance companies left in their state to service them.
everything happens in 2014 regardless and the waivers are only to give time for the exchanges to be set up so when the big monopoly insurers threaten to pack up it won't matter.
oh 2014 is when the govt takes over completely?
i mean what if they actually do pack up and leave and not just threaten? what if they don't pack up and leave but go bankrupt instead or stop selling health insurance but carry other lines.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 9, 2011 17:35:42 GMT -5
all those thousands of small businesses currently signing up for obamacare better hope there are insurance companies left in their state to service them. Small Businesses are NOT signing up for Obamacare out here in northern CA...and Jerry Brown is about to make an announcement in the next day or two about Obamacare...he may go along with Maine and ask for a waiver or he may just say because of our Budget crisis the state of California cannot afford to take on any more costs for health care at this time... The state is trying to get the OK to raise taxes out here by putting it to the voters in June...so far that is not going over too well with both parties
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Post by workpublic on Mar 9, 2011 17:37:18 GMT -5
Small Businesses are NOT signing up for Obamacare out here in northern CA i know PI. warsaw was ranting. i do it all the time. no link, no IMHO, no listen. he thinks i'm a pub dupe. ;D
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 9, 2011 17:39:16 GMT -5
Duh, all those states have Pub Governors....DUH! Maine had a crappe insurance co., same reason McD's and all the others got waivers until 2014.. ay caramba
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Post by workpublic on Mar 9, 2011 17:39:59 GMT -5
what's the reason for the union waivers? can't be pub governors how'd demi allow a pub guvner in his state?
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 9, 2011 17:42:19 GMT -5
I believe it's because they have fought for "Cadillac " plans and don't want them to be taxed like rich peoples plans.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 9, 2011 17:43:32 GMT -5
Governor of Maine: John Elias Baldacci is a Democrat unless he changed party affiliation the last 24 hours.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 9, 2011 17:48:36 GMT -5
I don't think you are, I know it. Do some research, I'm not your daddy All this just shows how ignorant and misled you are
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 9, 2011 17:50:38 GMT -5
Tell me something I don't know ffs.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 9, 2011 17:51:12 GMT -5
I don't think you are, I know it. Do some research, I'm not your daddy All this just shows how ignorant and misled you are What does that have to do with the topic?? Topic: Maine gets Obamacare waiver.. .....and btw Maine is not a bunch of Pub Dupes but are well known to march to their own drummer....and would be described as a Conservative Democratic State IMHO...or Old Yankees who love the Red Sox though...
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 9, 2011 18:00:26 GMT -5
It's a STUPID STORY just for controversey, dupes. MAINE didn't get a waiver, a crappe insurance co. did. The 20 states are ALL Pub Gov. states who are FOS> You are ignorant, believe all this crappe. DUH!
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 9, 2011 18:02:37 GMT -5
It's a STUPID STORY just for controversey, dupes. MAINE didn't get a waiver, a crappe insurance co. did. The 20 states are ALL Pub Gov. states who are FOS> You are ignorant, believe all this crappe. DUH! You must have missed this .. PORTLAND, Maine - The federal government Tuesday granted Maine a waiver of a key provision in President Barack Obama's health care overhaul, citing the likelihood that enforcement could destabilize the state's market for individual health insurance. I find it somewhat disingenuous to see us being labeled as stupid or ignorant by those who can NOT even write or spell properly or post anything of substance.. Ignorant?? Not really but don't believe anything you post ...never have and never will...sorry but just don't like or care for BS by you or your Ilk... BTW if you want to badmouth folks here trying using Spell Check so we know what you are tying to call us..
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Post by EVT1 on Mar 9, 2011 18:09:39 GMT -5
all those thousands of small businesses currently signing up for obamacare better hope there are insurance companies left in their state to service them. i mean what if they actually do pack up and leave and not just threaten? what if they don't pack up and leave but go bankrupt instead or stop selling health insurance but carry other lines. It would be a great start- they would put themselves out of business and the government would have a public option ready to go- and it is already in place- they could allow a Medicare buy in for areas not served. Sounds good to me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 18:14:50 GMT -5
lol... the only thing that will kill insurance companies is if the mandate gets deemed unconstitutional ....
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 9, 2011 18:19:31 GMT -5
After 2014, all these waivers will be over, along with the terrible health insurers they represent, replaced by a system that actually helps people.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 9, 2011 18:23:24 GMT -5
Obamacare will be radically changed by 2012 for both poltical and budgetary reasons..and it could be dumped..IMHO States are beginning to take a second look at the costs to their states if they implement Obamacare and they do NOT see the savings that Obama promised them....plus we still have the Constitutional issue to deal with by the courts.. www.buffalonews.com/editorial-page/buffalo-news-editorials/article357496.ece
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Post by Angel! on Mar 9, 2011 18:24:10 GMT -5
And my point was...there is nothing that he has to comply with. What are you talking about....Obamacare is loaded with costly requirements for business regardless of what their line of business is. But, no one has been able to opt out of those requirements. I was only speaking regarding the stuff people have gotten waivers for & no one is getting waivers for the entire legislation. WCP was contending he doesn't need a waiver & he is correct - a waiver would do nothing for him. He will need to still follow the other parts of the legislation just like everyone else though.
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Post by EVT1 on Mar 9, 2011 18:24:10 GMT -5
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 9, 2011 18:27:25 GMT -5
In fact, Obamacare may become yet another entitlement that will need fixing, on top of Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security. Obamacare comes at a time when not only the federal government, but also state governments are in trouble. And one of the reasons state governments, and even county governments, are in trouble is because of the growing costs of Medicaid. It currently accounts for 21 percent of state budgets and is growing. It covers 53 million people, and Obamacare will add another 20 million in 2014. ... While states will have to address this crisis, essentially these are problems the federal government owns. ... If he fails to tackle these monumental problems, the public will clearly see that he has failed in his presidential leadership and doesn't deserve a second term. www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/03/09/national/a135931S43.DTL
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Post by Angel! on Mar 9, 2011 18:33:40 GMT -5
My family does not qualify for free stuff, and we barely get by. This means, of course, that we will not qualify for FREE Obamacrap..excuse me, care.. so--- where will that leave us?? With fines?? Not able to pay our bills?? OR will we be forced on to Obamacrap..excuse me, care.. then offered some food stamps to make up the difference?? Nope-- you can keep you not free insurance. All I can take from this rant is you really don't understand how the bill works when it comes to lower income families. If you think it is a bad thing that you will be able to get affordable insurance, then by all means keep on ranting about how horrible the whole thing is.
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Post by EVT1 on Mar 9, 2011 18:41:36 GMT -5
Evidently, half of the country doesn't understand how the bill works thanks toall of the BS out there trying to kill it- but they are learning.
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Post by workpublic on Mar 9, 2011 19:31:01 GMT -5
I don't think you are, I know it. Do some research, I'm not your daddy All this just shows how ignorant and misled you are you talkin to me pischer ?
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 9, 2011 19:36:22 GMT -5
Any of the dupes on here will do.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 9, 2011 19:39:21 GMT -5
It's obvious to everyone but you that you are the biggest dupe on this board...
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Post by workpublic on Mar 9, 2011 19:45:48 GMT -5
this pub dupe voted for spitzer and kerry, as well as mccain
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