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Post by kittensaver on May 4, 2015 15:52:35 GMT -5
Another Iraq Invasion protester here. It was awesome. I've also done the March Against Monsanto.
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Post by Phoenix84 on May 4, 2015 18:00:00 GMT -5
Another Iraq Invasion protester here. It was awesome. I've also done the March Against Monsanto. How do you feel about the protest not being sucessful?
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kittensaver
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Post by kittensaver on May 4, 2015 18:04:25 GMT -5
Another Iraq Invasion protester here. It was awesome. I've also done the March Against Monsanto. How do you feel about the protest not being sucessful? I feel a lot like billisonboard - - I knew it probably wouldn't change anything, but I think it's important to stand up for what you believe in and get your voice heard. 100,000 people had a voice that day. Maybe some day it WILL make a difference.
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Post by chen35 on May 4, 2015 18:05:00 GMT -5
When I was about 8 or 9, my mother insisted that I try lima beans. I protested vehemently for about 20 minutes before buckling to the pressure and ate the lima beans. I still don't like lima beans... For the first time, my mother served us kids lima beans for dinner. We liked them so much that evening dinner that we asked her to cook some more for seconds. Once we were done eating a second serving of lima beans, we hated them. We asked mom to never, ever serve us lima beans again and she didn't. To this day I will not eat lima beans. I'm a weirdo, I love lima beans. My mom used to make lima bean soup. One of my brothers would make several trips to the bathroom to spit it out, but I always loved it!
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Post by TheOtherMe on May 4, 2015 19:15:37 GMT -5
Vietnam war. The protests help turn America against the war. Same here and I also protested the war in Iraq. As long as I am able, I will protest war.
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Post by msventoux on May 4, 2015 20:08:38 GMT -5
When I was about 8 or 9, my mother insisted that I try lima beans. I protested vehemently for about 20 minutes before buckling to the pressure and ate the lima beans. I still don't like lima beans... Amateur. I don't remember if it was brussel sprouts or liver, but I spent almost two days sitting at the dining room table because I refused to eat whatever it was. I did get a few quick bathroom breaks under guard, but the rest of the time had to sit (and sleep) there quietly. I wasn't allowed any other food until I ate the offending food. My parents finally gave up. That was after they found out corporal punishment wouldn't work for food issues and I was stubborn enough that I would rather starve than give in. They eventually realized I wasn't a picky eater, there were just a small number of things I refused to eat under any circumstances. Hey, I guess I did protest something...a sit-in when I was 6!
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Post by Phoenix84 on May 4, 2015 20:12:53 GMT -5
How do you feel about the protest not being sucessful? I feel a lot like billisonboard - - I knew it probably wouldn't change anything, but I think it's important to stand up for what you believe in and get your voice heard. 100,000 people had a voice that day. Maybe some day it WILL make a difference. I don't understand, how can you one day make a difference regarding the Iraq war? It's already occurred.
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Post by milee on May 4, 2015 20:47:27 GMT -5
A few years ago I went with some fellow vets and joined others to form a human wall between the WBC jerks and a fallen soldier's funeral. Thank you for both your service to our country and to that soldier's family.
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Post by milee on May 4, 2015 20:52:04 GMT -5
When the anti-abortion protesters tried to shut down local Planned Parenthood offices in the late '80s and early '90s by harassing every woman who tried to enter, I joined the group that formed a human shield to allow women to enter the clinics. Although I'm not sure I could ever have an abortion of a healthy fetus, I think it's a private choice and found the actions of the anti-abortion protestors really shameful especially since 98% of the services given at the local clinic are well-woman checks, birth control and other non-abortion services.
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Post by milee on May 4, 2015 20:57:43 GMT -5
I also joined in the immigration marches in Phoenix a few years ago when an estimated 100,000 people marched through the streets asking for a path to legal immigration. Seemed like 99,999 Hispanic people plus my little blond son and me, but we were there.
Yes, I think we should secure the borders and stop illegal immigration. But I also think that for the people already here - especially the millions who were brought here as children, had no choice in the matter and this is the only country they've ever known - there should be a way for them to legally earn their citizenship. And I'm always surprised that I seem to be the only white person (slight exaggeration) that feels this way. It shocks me that churches aren't taking this issue up as a humanitarian issue. Especially since so many of the recent immigrants are fleeing from killing zones created by the rise of drug cartels which can be traced back to American use of drugs. Seems like if we helped cause the problem we should be part of the solution.
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Post by taz157 on May 4, 2015 21:11:31 GMT -5
A few years ago I went with some fellow vets and joined others to form a human wall between the WBC jerks and a fallen soldier's funeral. Thank you for both your service to our country and to that soldier's family.
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Post by irishpad on May 4, 2015 21:32:48 GMT -5
Protested against the death penalty in front of a Federal Court building.
Was part of a protest walk/rally locally and at the state capital.
Does civil disobedience count? Intentionally broke the law about 200 times while helping run a homeless shelter in the late eighties. The shelter was licensed to sleep 10 guests a night but due to no other options available locally, we would sleep 20-30 a night from Oct. - April.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 4, 2015 22:02:59 GMT -5
Protested against the death penalty in front of a Federal Court building. Was part of a protest walk/rally locally and at the state capital. Does civil disobedience count? Intentionally broke the law about 200 times while helping run a homeless shelter in the late eighties. The shelter was licensed to sleep 10 guests a night but due to no other options available locally, we would sleep 20-30 a night from Oct. - April. You...you....rebel.
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kittensaver
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Post by kittensaver on May 5, 2015 12:23:57 GMT -5
I feel a lot like billisonboard - - I knew it probably wouldn't change anything, but I think it's important to stand up for what you believe in and get your voice heard. 100,000 people had a voice that day. Maybe some day it WILL make a difference. I don't understand, how can you one day make a difference regarding the Iraq war? It's already occurred. I meant this as one of those for-the-ages things. Like TheOtherMe, I will always stand up and protest war. Whatever I can (legally) do to shed light on the senselessness of hate and killing I will do. Maybe some day humanity will learn . . . if we all speak up.
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Post by Phoenix84 on May 5, 2015 12:30:07 GMT -5
Sometimes, war is necessary, I think it's rather presumptuous to say you'll always oppose war. I've learned not to deal in absolutes.
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kittensaver
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Post by kittensaver on May 5, 2015 12:53:27 GMT -5
Sometimes, war is necessary, I think it's rather presumptuous to say you'll always oppose war. I've learned not to deal in absolutes. Nope, not presumptuous. I will always oppose hate and killing. I do not believe that war is "sometimes" necessary. That is the kind of thinking that makes it somehow justified to send yet another generation of young men (and now women) to die. Sorry, not buying it. However as always, YMMV.
"I'm sick and tired of old men dreaming up wars for young men to die in." - George McGovern
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Post by quince on May 5, 2015 13:19:20 GMT -5
I think an awesome thing about protests (that I don't go to ) is the gathering of a lot of like-minded people...when what you are advocating is a controversial or minority view, it is good to know you are not alone...and just being visible that way can slowly get the ball rolling for change, as people who agree with you but maybe thought their views were an anomaly realize that they can say something... ..and momentum can be gained.
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Post by Phoenix84 on May 5, 2015 13:36:11 GMT -5
Sometimes, war is necessary, I think it's rather presumptuous to say you'll always oppose war. I've learned not to deal in absolutes. Nope, not presumptuous. I will always oppose hate and killing. I do not believe that war is "sometimes" necessary. That is the kind of thinking that makes it somehow justified to send yet another generation of young men (and now women) to die. Sorry, not buying it. However as always, YMMV.
"I'm sick and tired of old men dreaming up wars for young men to die in." - George McGovern
So the civil war wasn't worth fighting? Or world war II, or any number of other conflicts.
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Post by kittensaver on May 5, 2015 13:42:01 GMT -5
Nope, not presumptuous. I will always oppose hate and killing. I do not believe that war is "sometimes" necessary. That is the kind of thinking that makes it somehow justified to send yet another generation of young men (and now women) to die. Sorry, not buying it. However as always, YMMV.
"I'm sick and tired of old men dreaming up wars for young men to die in." - George McGovern
So the civil war wasn't worth fighting? Or any number of other conflicts. I'm not sure what you mean by "worth." Is it "worth" it to slaughter generation after generation for political strife and political gain?
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Post by Tiny on May 5, 2015 14:00:13 GMT -5
Nope, not presumptuous. I will always oppose hate and killing. I do not believe that war is "sometimes" necessary. That is the kind of thinking that makes it somehow justified to send yet another generation of young men (and now women) to die. Sorry, not buying it. However as always, YMMV.
"I'm sick and tired of old men dreaming up wars for young men to die in." - George McGovern
So the civil war wasn't worth fighting? Or world war II, or any number of other conflicts. You're changing up the arguement. It's not about 'worth'.... There ought to be a better way to solve conflict than slapping the shit out of someone, or threatening their family, or shooting them in the head, or laying mine fields, or destroying transportation routes (so people starve), or dropping a nuclear bomb.
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Post by Iggy aka IG on May 5, 2015 14:05:20 GMT -5
So the civil war wasn't worth fighting? Or world war II, or any number of other conflicts. You're changing up the arguement. It's not about 'worth'.... There ought to be a better way to solve conflict than slapping the shit out of someone, or threatening their family, or shooting them in the head, or laying mine fields, or destroying transportation routes (so people starve), or dropping a nuclear bomb. So friggin'
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Post by lexxy703 on May 5, 2015 14:16:09 GMT -5
When I was about 8 or 9, my mother insisted that I try lima beans. I protested vehemently for about 20 minutes before buckling to the pressure and ate the lima beans. I still don't like lima beans... Amateur. I don't remember if it was brussel sprouts or liver, but I spent almost two days sitting at the dining room table because I refused to eat whatever it was. I did get a few quick bathroom breaks under guard, but the rest of the time had to sit (and sleep) there quietly. I wasn't allowed any other food until I ate the offending food. My parents finally gave up. That was after they found out corporal punishment wouldn't work for food issues and I was stubborn enough that I would rather starve than give in. They eventually realized I wasn't a picky eater, there were just a small number of things I refused to eat under any circumstances. Hey, I guess I did protest something...a sit-in when I was 6! My parents did the exact same to me over peas. They wouldn't even send me to school. I sat at the table for two days. Finally my dad forcibly shoved a spoonful down my throat because there was no way I was winning the battle. But I won the war & never had to eat peas or limas again.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 5, 2015 16:43:45 GMT -5
Amateur. I don't remember if it was brussel sprouts or liver, but I spent almost two days sitting at the dining room table because I refused to eat whatever it was. I did get a few quick bathroom breaks under guard, but the rest of the time had to sit (and sleep) there quietly. I wasn't allowed any other food until I ate the offending food. My parents finally gave up. That was after they found out corporal punishment wouldn't work for food issues and I was stubborn enough that I would rather starve than give in. They eventually realized I wasn't a picky eater, there were just a small number of things I refused to eat under any circumstances. Hey, I guess I did protest something...a sit-in when I was 6! My parents did the exact same to me over peas. They wouldn't even send me to school. I sat at the table for two days. Finally my dad forcibly shoved a spoonful down my throat because there was no way I was winning the battle. But I won the war & never had to eat peas or limas again. You and msventoux must be my sister using multiple posting names. My sister was made to sit at the dining table until late in the evening with the lights out until she ate whatever she didn't want to eat. It it was not eaten by bedtime, it was served to her for breakfast. She often went to school hungry.
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Post by Tiny on May 5, 2015 16:58:12 GMT -5
Amateur. I don't remember if it was brussel sprouts or liver, but I spent almost two days sitting at the dining room table because I refused to eat whatever it was. I did get a few quick bathroom breaks under guard, but the rest of the time had to sit (and sleep) there quietly. I wasn't allowed any other food until I ate the offending food. My parents finally gave up. That was after they found out corporal punishment wouldn't work for food issues and I was stubborn enough that I would rather starve than give in. They eventually realized I wasn't a picky eater, there were just a small number of things I refused to eat under any circumstances. Hey, I guess I did protest something...a sit-in when I was 6! My parents did the exact same to me over peas. They wouldn't even send me to school. I sat at the table for two days. Finally my dad forcibly shoved a spoonful down my throat because there was no way I was winning the battle. But I won the war & never had to eat peas or limas again. Did All You kids that got made to eat stuff you didn't like NOT have a family dog (or cat)? I use to slip 'yucky stuff' to the cat who took up his station under the table by my chair. if I didn't slip him something - he'd dig his claws into my thigh to remind me of "our deal". I'd get yelled at for 'bothering' the cat if I'd jump and call out from an exceptionally strong 4 claw dig... (don't try to work on that logic... it made my 6 year old brain explode - no wonder I'm a skeptic...) I loved that cat - even if he avoided me unless it was dinner time. FWIW: i also managed to pass off some stuff to my older brother... I suspect my mom knew what was going on. But, since if I didn't eat what was on my plate - there wasn't anything else to eat (no asking for seconds or an extra dessert or something special) I didn't make a fuss about being 'hungry' after dinner. It's not like more food I liked was gonna miraculously appear...
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Post by Ombud on May 5, 2015 17:44:22 GMT -5
Several: PITA, gay rights, pro-Israel, anti-war (yes, sometimes the lesser of 2 evils, it's complicated). Tear gassed only once ...
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Post by TheOtherMe on May 5, 2015 17:56:50 GMT -5
I don't understand, how can you one day make a difference regarding the Iraq war? It's already occurred. I meant this as one of those for-the-ages things. Like TheOtherMe, I will always stand up and protest war. Whatever I can (legally) do to shed light on the senselessness of hate and killing I will do. Maybe some day humanity will learn . . . if we all speak up. This is also my wish. None of the wars during my lifetime have been necessary, in my opinion. I will protest every one of them. If I am no longer physically able, I will inundate Congress and the President with letters. War solves nothing, absolutely nothing. That does not mean that I don't appreciate what our service men and women do. I just wish they didn't have to do it. During Viet Nam, I worked for the Defense Department for 90 days. I was typing up the paperwork for young men who had been drafted. One day I looked up and the man in front of me was a friend. We ended up meeting for lunch that day in the cafeteria (we usually ate there) and he told me the facts of war. That was when I left that job and became a protester. No regrets about any protest I have been a part of and we did nothing illegal.
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