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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 19, 2015 23:18:10 GMT -5
Ok bills here is what I said on an earlier post on another thread, For what ever it is worth. Atlanta Georgia. yesterday at 8:34am QuotelikeEditPost Options Post by oldcoyote on yesterday at 8:34am Tennesseer Avatar yesterday at 7:22am Tennesseer said: I imagine you were waved right through security. After may have been a quarter mile line. Here is what I do not understand 99.99999% of the U.S. travelers only want to go here to there. There is no desire to make any political statement.
Do you think that you are not pre screened the second you have purchased a ticket??
So why are all citizens subjected to this procedure when many have No prior felony arrests, do not advocate the violent overthrow of the present government and are not on a no fly list.
Just go through a metal detector and have their bags go through x ray. on their way, No hour spent in line.
Ok, Just tell me, the all the years that we have gone through this, in the U.S. Just how many terrorist have they found?? Talk to me when it's 100% of US travellers who only want to go here to there. When 100% have no felony arrests and 100% do not advocate a violent overthrow of the present government.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 19, 2015 23:24:11 GMT -5
Did I say anything about letting high risk group being allowed to just climb on airplane??
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 19, 2015 23:26:46 GMT -5
Did I say anything about letting high risk group being allowed to just climb on airplane?? How do you weed them out?
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 19, 2015 23:39:31 GMT -5
Oh, on the Atlanta Georgia thread. I didn't have an interest in the city, and didn't realize it was about TSA, so didn't read it.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 20, 2015 6:58:32 GMT -5
Bills, Some times there is to much going on to keep up. I have a big problem keeping up with what goes on here.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 20, 2015 7:30:49 GMT -5
Did I say anything about letting high risk group being allowed to just climb on airplane?? As our security measures have evolved, so have the terrorist methods. Wouldn't be impossible for someone to plant a bomb in someone else's suitcase or carry on, so that even if the person entering the plane appears perfectly innocent, they may be carrying something lethal. I don't think the TSA has a really good training program, and I question if all their hires are qualified to do the job, but we can't stop the extra checks. It's just too attractive to either blow up a plane or hi jack it and fly it into something like a nuclear reactor.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 20, 2015 7:47:16 GMT -5
Bills, Some times there is to much going on to keep up. I have a big problem keeping up with what goes on here. It was actually the fact that I have no interest in Atlanta Georgia so marked the thread "read always". I would have read it if you had titled it Another Rant About TSA.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 20, 2015 7:49:10 GMT -5
So did all the security keep a pilot from flying an airplane into a mountain a couple weeks ago?
Or If we are truly dealing with terrorist, Remember Benghazi, 12,000 surface to air missiles disappeared, each one capable of taking down an airliner.
When the Cartel are able to smuggle in tons of cocaine, you think that a well funded terrorist could not smuggle in tons of these missiles??
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 20, 2015 7:51:48 GMT -5
Fair enough bills.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 20, 2015 7:59:35 GMT -5
... Remember Benghazi, 12,000 surface to air missiles disappeared, ... Wow. I guess if you hear 400 bounce around the echo chamber enough times it becomes 12,000.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 20, 2015 8:08:23 GMT -5
Were there not reports of 12,000 missiles??
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 20, 2015 8:10:18 GMT -5
Or using your number, does only 400, missing missiles make you feel better??
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 20, 2015 8:14:44 GMT -5
Were there not reports of 12,000 missiles?? Do I get your lunch money if I do your research for you?
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 20, 2015 8:20:11 GMT -5
Or using your number, does only 400, missing missiles make you feel better?? I know I do feel better knowing that there is a Select House Committee searching day and night for emails for information on who was involved in developing talking points in the aftermath of the attack. EDIT: Whoops, forgot to put one of these
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Post by zibazinski on Apr 20, 2015 18:13:22 GMT -5
I suggest that instead of hiring people who couldn't get a job doing anything else, the govt actually train good people like the Israelis do, and stop hiring thieves and despots to harass travelers. But that would stop the boondoggle.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 20, 2015 18:25:11 GMT -5
I suggest that instead of hiring people who couldn't get a job doing anything else, the govt actually train good people like the Israelis do, and stop hiring thieves and despots to harass travelers. But that would stop the boondoggle. Looks like you forgot to add "and please increase my taxes to pay higher wages to attract and retain those higher quality employees. Also, I will personally restrain from, and call others out who are, negative name calling government employees."
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Post by EVT1 on Apr 20, 2015 22:52:52 GMT -5
I suggest that instead of hiring people who couldn't get a job doing anything else, the govt actually train good people like the Israelis do, and stop hiring thieves and despots to harass travelers. But that would stop the boondoggle. Really- you think the private security airlines had before the TSA were staffed by the cream of the crop? Are you familiar with private security?
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Post by zibazinski on Apr 21, 2015 7:27:19 GMT -5
I've been flying for 50 years. It's gotten so much worse for zero results. The fact that I had to spend $80 to keep from being felt up.
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Post by zibazinski on Apr 21, 2015 8:05:20 GMT -5
Or dangerous formula or even worse, mothers milk!!
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 21, 2015 9:39:28 GMT -5
government employees.
Most government are stealing their pay until they get a real job, You know, One where you actually produce something instead of being a parasite on public funds.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 21, 2015 9:47:02 GMT -5
So did all the security keep a pilot from flying an airplane into a mountain a couple weeks ago?
Or If we are truly dealing with terrorist, Remember Benghazi, 12,000 surface to air missiles disappeared, each one capable of taking down an airliner. When the Cartel are able to smuggle in tons of cocaine, you think that a well funded terrorist could not smuggle in tons of these missiles?? Saying that airline security didn't prevent a pilot from flying into a mountain so we should just stop having airline security is like saying we had a murder last night in our city that the police weren't able to prevent so we should just disband the police department completely. We did have one pilot fly his plane into a mountain (not because he was a terrorist, but because he was depressed) - how many other terrorist plots have either been foiled or abandoned because of the increased security? We can't know - because they didn't happen.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 21, 2015 9:49:01 GMT -5
Are the people any less dead because the pilot was depressed?
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 21, 2015 9:53:35 GMT -5
So did all the security keep a pilot from flying an airplane into a mountain a couple weeks ago?
Or If we are truly dealing with terrorist, Remember Benghazi, 12,000 surface to air missiles disappeared, each one capable of taking down an airliner. When the Cartel are able to smuggle in tons of cocaine, you think that a well funded terrorist could not smuggle in tons of these missiles?? Saying that airline security didn't prevent a pilot from flying into a mountain so we should just stop having airline security is like saying we had a murder last night in our city that the police weren't able to prevent so we should just disband the police department completely. We did have one pilot fly his plane into a mountain (not because he was a terrorist, but because he was depressed) - how many other terrorist plots have either been foiled or abandoned because of the increased security? We can't know - because they didn't happen. Please refer to post #26
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 21, 2015 15:15:56 GMT -5
Yea I heard that the were 50 aborted attacks, Let's just say that the details were pretty skinnnnnnny, Meaning that you can make all kind of statements if you don't have to back them up. Just kind of show how they are protecting us. Sure! Of all of these were still (Of course) under investigation, so the details can not be released. Why would you want all the details? By publicizing them, all you are doing is publicizing the methods that you are using in order to catch the attack. I'm going on the assumption that I don't need to know details because it's best that NO ONE knows, other than those who are doing the screening. By people knowing, it's one more thing that terrorists can figure out a work around.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 21, 2015 15:20:59 GMT -5
Are the people any less dead because the pilot was depressed? But this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the TSA and prevention of terrorism. That is what you are talking about, Old..... This copilot was not the first one who has done something like this, and I doubt he'll be the last. What this event has done has made airlines look more clearly at how they're going to handle pilot mental issues.
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Post by NastyWoman on Apr 21, 2015 19:50:57 GMT -5
Yet his comments were discovered before the aircraft departed. He was removed from the plane. If you think the TSA is the only group watching passengers in real time, you are naive. Tenn, do you actually think if this man had meant harm he would have announced his intentions? If we have to worry at all it's about the quiet ones. The ones who hide their intend. I have flown around the world so many times it's not even funny anymore and quite frankly, the TSA does not make me feel safer. That said I didn't feel all that much in before 9/11 despite all the plane high jackings in the 70s. Nor do I feel particularly unsafe today, despite the fact that the shoe bomber was missed, the number of guns that must have gotten through the checkpoints if security checks are anything to go by. It's not so much that I am unaware that terrorist attacks can happen, it's just that I refuse to let them win by living ever more in fear. And that is all this is about -> fear, we want the world to be (perfectly) safe! Que sera, sera...
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 21, 2015 20:05:18 GMT -5
Yet his comments were discovered before the aircraft departed. He was removed from the plane. If you think the TSA is the only group watching passengers in real time, you are naive. Tenn, do you actually think if this man had meant harm he would have announced his intentions? If we have to worry at all it's about the quiet ones. The ones who hide their intend. I have flown around the world so many times it's not even funny anymore and quite frankly, the TSA does not make me feel safer. That said I didn't feel all that much in before 9/11 despite all the plane high jackings in the 70s. Nor do I feel particularly unsafe today, despite the fact that the shoe bomber was missed, the number of guns that must have gotten through the checkpoints if security checks are anything to go by. It's not so much that I am unaware that terrorist attacks can happen, it's just that I refuse to let them win by living ever more in fear. And that is all this is about -> fear, we want the world to be (perfectly) safe! Que sera, sera... I was not concerned about the guy and his computer. But someone thought he could get a 'gotcha' in there. I am under no illusion the TSA is the be-all and end-all for airplane safety and security. But if they can screen out or scare some of the more stupid potential terrorists, then I am okay with them.
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