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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 30, 2015 18:46:42 GMT -5
Go for it. Hopefully women don't mind washrooms that look/smell like an elephant made entirely of urine, feces, and paper towel staggered inside shortly before exploding, which pretty much describes every public men's room in existence. I'm going to disagree on this one Virgil. I actually had a part-time job as a janitor MANY years ago and have to say the women's restrooms were REALLY bad compared to the men's. The "stuff" they left laying around and the things they wrote on walls would make a sailor blush.
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Post by justme on Mar 30, 2015 18:47:25 GMT -5
I don't think unisex will make lines shorter for women. Theoretically men are quicker at urinals than stalls, why else would they have them, so it'd slow them down. Plus the ones I've been into are usually smaller due to less stalls so it's not like there'd be a doubling of space.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 30, 2015 19:58:44 GMT -5
I'm for it... but I doubt the way public bathrooms currently are configured will continue to be the norm. I think we need to re-evaluate the typical public bathroom - rows of stalls and sinks in a room. I think we need change/enhance this very vital public service. I've been a couple of medium sized public areas where there are individual rooms (with toilet, sink, place to change a baby, handicap accessible, etc) usually 2 to 6 of them instead of one big room with stalls and sinks. I've also spotted places where there's the tradition "lots of toilets and sinks in room" combined WITH several (again 2 to 4) individual bathrooms (toilet, sink, place to change a baby, handicap accessible). The individual rooms usually have a sign with both a male and a female stick figure. Maybe that's the way to go - a combination of rooms with toilets/sinks (maybe men or women only) and then individual rooms. I suspect it's hard to get building planners/architects to give up the floor space needed to handle individual rooms for crowds of people - unless they go the Porta Potty route. I'd also think they'd probably still want to designate men/women on something like that for high volume places (sports staduim?) cause - you know - people get sloppy. But, then if you are at a sports stadium I would think you'd kinda expect that - what with all the adult beverages and the general more 'wild atmosphere'... So you're ok with your hypothetical young girl walking into the average men's bathroom at a sports stadium? How about the sports bar/restaurant on game day? I guess I'm not sure why this is a thing. Why is it bad that men and women have their own bathrooms? Like I said, I'm not convinced that you will have any time savings and I really don't see an upside to anyone. I don't understand the scenario you are setting up. What kind of social setting does that kind of thing ever happen? I have no idea why EXISTING traditional women's and men's rooms must suddenly be converted into "unisex" bathrooms.
I was attempting to point out that brand new MODERN architecture and MODERN upgrades to many public places are being designed around the idea that individual bathrooms should be provided in addition to typical women/men ONLY rooms. So, if a woman wants use the "Ladies room" which is suppose to ONLY be for women - a room with a bunch of toilet stalls and sinks she can. If she wants to use a 'private' bathroom she can. Why would she want to venture into the men's room unless there was some pressing need to do so? Same goes for guys.
The single seat/sink room solves a lot of dilemnas a Dad/Mom can take their kid(s) into the single room - think Dad with a kid in a stroller. Or Mom with 4 year old son. A caregiver can assist a disabled (or just elderly) adult. Someone with a 'shy bladder' can use the room. Someone who doesn't want to have choose a gendered bathroom can use the room. H MY GOD! It's a UNISEX bathroom!!! What's the big deal?
Maybe having a couple of single toilet rooms with every set of traditional women/men's
I'm not sure why there's only ONE scenario for this kinda thing...
I've been in an older stadium (where there's like 1 women's bathroom - with 5 stalls for every 4 men's rooms which have 5 stalls + urinals) where women took over a men's room. I'd have NO problem with a young girl walking into the men's room under those circumstances. What if there was an event that catered to women at a sports stadium - let's say the ratio was 20 women for every man. Would they forced to NOT use the men's room - because it was the men's room?
AS for ADULTS in an ADULT public places - back in the Dark Ages I spent plenty of time waiting in line with guys in drag or the transgendered or whatever flavor of gender that indicated they were "female" at bars, clubs, and concerts. I also spent time waiting in line with a gaggle of other women and men heading into the men's room because there were not enough toilets. I've also slipped out the emergency exit at bars/clubs/concerts to pee in the alley - with other women and men. Once, at work, I forgot my 'bathroom key' and accidentally wound up working late with my male coworkers. I couldn't get a spare key because the admins had all gone home. Since I couldn't get into the ladies room, my options were to pee in a cup somewhere and pour it down the kitchen sink drain, break into the Admin's LOCKED cabinet and take a key (and probably get fired cause there was other confidential stuff in there), or ask my co-worker if they'd let me into the mens room with their key. I got one of their keys and went and used the mens room. No big deal. I guess you'd pee in a cup? I don't have a problem using the mens room depending on the circumstances.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 30, 2015 20:00:11 GMT -5
Why is it assumed that future bathrooms in public places (like offices, theaters, malls) will look EXACTLY like they do now?
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Post by Tiny on Mar 30, 2015 20:05:51 GMT -5
Wait, as part of a Grade School or HS women's team you never had to use the men's locker room and showers when your team traveled to some ancient Grade School or HS for a game because they DIDN"T HAVE WOMEN"S LOCKER ROOM/SHOWERS?? My world just changed.... Maybe I'm just old (and lived in a place with a lot of really old buildings).
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Mar 30, 2015 20:07:11 GMT -5
I have used them in europe, didn't bother me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 20:18:57 GMT -5
I'm not thrilled to be in a washroom when other women are in there, I really wouldn't like it with men or boys.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 30, 2015 20:27:15 GMT -5
Wait, as part of a Grade School or HS women's team you never had to use the men's locker room and showers when your team traveled to some ancient Grade School or HS for a game because they DIDN"T HAVE WOMEN"S LOCKER ROOM/SHOWERS?? My world just changed.... Maybe I'm just old (and lived in a place with a lot of really old buildings). Oh. Wait. You mean the boys and girls using the locker room/showers at the same time! OK. I get it.
I would think that maybe newly designed schools would have some sort of "individual" locker room/shower that could be used by someone who didn't want to choose a gendered room. It would also probably make it easier for anyone who needed assistance from a caregiver. Or just wanted some privacy.
I don't quite get why it's got to be all or nothing. We've managed to make "handicapped accessible" bathrooms - even when the accessible bathroom had to be separated from the original bathrooms. I don't target the accessible bathrooms or stalls "because I can" when I'm using a bathroom... I will if it's the only one available. I don't get why having a Unisex bathroom means EVERYONE must use it if there are other choices available.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 30, 2015 20:29:04 GMT -5
I don't understand the scenario you are setting up. What kind of social setting does that kind of thing ever happen? I have no idea why EXISTING traditional women's and men's rooms must suddenly be converted into "unisex" bathrooms.
I was attempting to point out that brand new MODERN architecture and MODERN upgrades to many public places are being designed around the idea that individual bathrooms should be provided in addition to typical women/men ONLY rooms. So, if a woman wants use the "Ladies room" which is suppose to ONLY be for women - a room with a bunch of toilet stalls and sinks she can. If she wants to use a 'private' bathroom she can. Why would she want to venture into the men's room unless there was some pressing need to do so? Same goes for guys.
The single seat/sink room solves a lot of dilemnas a Dad/Mom can take their kid(s) into the single room - think Dad with a kid in a stroller. Or Mom with 4 year old son. A caregiver can assist a disabled (or just elderly) adult. Someone with a 'shy bladder' can use the room. Someone who doesn't want to have choose a gendered bathroom can use the room. H MY GOD! It's a UNISEX bathroom!!! What's the big deal?
Maybe having a couple of single toilet rooms with every set of traditional women/men's
I'm not sure why there's only ONE scenario for this kinda thing...
I've been in an older stadium (where there's like 1 women's bathroom - with 5 stalls for every 4 men's rooms which have 5 stalls + urinals) where women took over a men's room. I'd have NO problem with a young girl walking into the men's room under those circumstances. What if there was an event that catered to women at a sports stadium - let's say the ratio was 20 women for every man. Would they forced to NOT use the men's room - because it was the men's room?
AS for ADULTS in an ADULT public places - back in the Dark Ages I spent plenty of time waiting in line with guys in drag or the transgendered or whatever flavor of gender that indicated they were "female" at bars, clubs, and concerts. I also spent time waiting in line with a gaggle of other women and men heading into the men's room because there were not enough toilets. I've also slipped out the emergency exit at bars/clubs/concerts to pee in the alley - with other women and men. Once, at work, I forgot my 'bathroom key' and accidentally wound up working late with my male coworkers. I couldn't get a spare key because the admins had all gone home. Since I couldn't get into the ladies room, my options were to pee in a cup somewhere and pour it down the kitchen sink drain, break into the Admin's LOCKED cabinet and take a key (and probably get fired cause there was other confidential stuff in there), or ask my co-worker if they'd let me into the mens room with their key. I got one of their keys and went and used the mens room. No big deal. I guess you'd pee in a cup? I don't have a problem using the mens room depending on the circumstances.
That's kind of what we were discussing It came up in a different thread. Ah, sorry to have crashed the conversation in the middle... LOL...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 20:33:04 GMT -5
It started there. And I am ok with that too actually, making current bathrooms more co/ed. I also think some re-imagining of what public bathrooms look like could work.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 20:44:55 GMT -5
How do you people handle coed changing areas?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 20:51:25 GMT -5
Who doesn't any more? I don't mean you change in the same room as others, but it's also stalls right next to one another. Is that a problem?
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Post by Phoenix84 on Mar 30, 2015 21:17:22 GMT -5
I think it is a bit redundant to have two bathrooms. If you need privacy, go into a stall.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Mar 30, 2015 22:24:23 GMT -5
100% . Less lines for the women's bathroom, less hassle for transpeople. But as a third option. I'd rather not share with men if I don't have to. I'd want a Womens, Mens, Unisex. I'd only use the Unisex if I really, really had to go. I had jobs where we had to share with the men - including the owner/boss. I got so tired of having to clean it before I could sit down I started going to another office where I had friends or used the grocery store bathroom a few offices down from us.
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Post by msventoux on Mar 30, 2015 22:34:21 GMT -5
100% . Less lines for the women's bathroom, less hassle for transpeople. But as a third option. I'd rather not share with men if I don't have to. I'd want a Womens, Mens, Unisex. I'd only use the Unisex if I really, really had to go. I had jobs where we had to share with the men - including the owner/boss. I got so tired of having to clean it before I could sit down I started going to another office where I had friends or used the grocery store bathroom a few offices down from us. Don't you have to clean the seat off in most women's public toilets? Almost every one I go into it looks like a bunch of blind, drunken frat boys have hosed down the entire toilet area. I've never been sure how women can apparently manage to pee most everywhere but inside the bowl. The best I can figure is they all perch on the seat with their feet and lurch from side to side like a weeble-wobble toy.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 30, 2015 22:36:34 GMT -5
But as a third option. I'd rather not share with men if I don't have to. I'd want a Womens, Mens, Unisex. I'd only use the Unisex if I really, really had to go. I had jobs where we had to share with the men - including the owner/boss. I got so tired of having to clean it before I could sit down I started going to another office where I had friends or used the grocery store bathroom a few offices down from us. Don't you have to clean the seat off in most women's public toilets? Almost every one I go into it looks like a bunch of blind, drunken frat boys have hosed down the entire toilet area. I've never been sure how women can apparently manage to pee most everywhere but inside the bowl. The best I can figure is they all perch on the seat with their feet and lurch from side to side like a weeble-wobble toy. I know, eh? The women never seem to sit on the seat. They squat over it and pee all over.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 30, 2015 22:38:28 GMT -5
I asked my son how he feels about unisex bathrooms. "Meh. I don't care. You see it everywhere now. I just go into a stall."
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Mar 30, 2015 22:38:51 GMT -5
But as a third option. I'd rather not share with men if I don't have to. I'd want a Womens, Mens, Unisex. I'd only use the Unisex if I really, really had to go. I had jobs where we had to share with the men - including the owner/boss. I got so tired of having to clean it before I could sit down I started going to another office where I had friends or used the grocery store bathroom a few offices down from us. Don't you have to clean the seat off in most women's public toilets? Almost every one I go into it looks like a bunch of blind, drunken frat boys have hosed down the entire toilet area. I've never been sure how women can apparently manage to pee most everywhere but inside the bowl. The best I can figure is they all perch on the seat with their feet and lurch from side to side like a weeble-wobble toy. Only if little kids were being assisted. I don't go in those because that's usually the case. But very rarely do I have to clean the seat. Some toilets flush so hard they spray the seat a bit but those are rare. I always use seat covers or TP but in the situation I mentioned there was yellow urine all over the seat, down the sides... Public bathrooms that I use get cleaned often I guess. I won't just use any public bathroom. I don't want to die of a gross disease. I'd rather use the woods to some I've seen!
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Post by imanangel on Mar 30, 2015 23:39:33 GMT -5
I've done it since I was a young girl. If the line was too long for the ladies room, and it was urgent, I used the men's. Nobody ever said Boo.
It just isn't that big a deal. This! Unisex bathrooms are very common in Europe. No one thinks anything of it except tourist. Even on the rare chance the bathroom isn't unisex, it isn't a problem for people of the opposite sex to use it anyway. It is just viewed as everyone has to go to the bathroom...why the big deal?
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Post by bobosensei on Mar 31, 2015 5:58:50 GMT -5
I don't see an issue if the stalls are fully enclosed. A separate pissoir can be put in for those that want to use a urinal.
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Post by cronewitch on Mar 31, 2015 14:59:46 GMT -5
I like a separate family/handicapped bathroom so you can have someone with a bunch of kids take them all in or handicapped people and assistants. Now some women will take boys who are nearly teens into a ladies room and men will not know what to do about a daughter. ISO was in a wheel chair one summer and I had to help him with the bathroom at college without a good place for both of us a family sized room with a couple of stalls and sinks and enough space to deal with wheel chairs or strollers would be nice.
As for the massive bathrooms they could have one line with individual toilet rooms then shared sinks, maybe a urinal place at the far end behind a wall so we don't need to see it for guys in a hurry.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Mar 31, 2015 15:15:13 GMT -5
I have no problem with making unisex restrooms....as long as they leave a "women only" restroom for those of who choose it.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 31, 2015 16:49:03 GMT -5
We have these at work.
However, There is a certain protocol in a women's loo.
You don't make poop noises or smells......A trickle is allowed but not a noisy "waterfall" type noise Delicate touching up of lipstick or adjustment of clothes is allowed.....but not a full scale hair-do or change of clothes. The loo is clean and you wash your hands vigorously.
If you cross the boundaries its a bit too uncouth and indelicate for womenfolk
Now at work
It stinks like a sewer....there is farting .... no big mirrors....and its not immaculately clean.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 4, 2015 21:08:03 GMT -5
Parents owned a bowling alley when I was a kid and they both said cleaning the women's restroom was horrible, much worse than the men's restroom.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Apr 5, 2015 6:50:01 GMT -5
I can understand it for the "single room" type of bathroom. I wouldn't want a complete elimination of mens/women's rooms. There is a new movie theatre near us that has 3 very small bathroom setups (a mens with 2 stalls, a women's with 3 stalls, and a single). When movies get out at the same time, you can wait quite a while.
We go to a lot of concerts and shows, and there are always the obvious "rush" periods. Intermission and right before/after can be brutal with separate facilities.
I also wonder if the "stalls" setup reminds people that they are on an assembly line and not to dawdle. Whenever I use one of those single room bathrooms, I'm sure I take a bit more time.
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Post by wyouser on Apr 6, 2015 11:45:48 GMT -5
Since there is one and only one unisex state in the United States. Shouldn't you have to live there first before you have the expertise to post a comment on this? (Montana is that state by the way and as we Wyomingites fondly say,.....there is no sex in Montana) Does everyone get their own private stall with its own door?
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