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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 24, 2015 16:42:06 GMT -5
Cats are a lot harder to contain than a dog. They don't take well to a leash and you'd have to have a pretty good fence to keep them in the yard. About the only way is to have them be permanent indoor cats which a lot are. Some cats HATE that though and really want to get outside every now and then and some cats (like my barn cats) are out all the time. Their purpose is to keep the vermin down, so they roam freely. See, when I (briefly) thought about getting a cat, I thought if I was going to bring one home to live with me and be "mine", I needed to keep it indoors to keep it safe and not have it go missing. Shows how much I know. It works this way too. I'm looking at the cat snoozing on the sofa cuddled up next to the dog. The cat is definitely mine.....he tolerates TD and adores both me and the dog (probably the dog more). He does not go outside any further than the kitchen deck.
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Post by Malarky on Mar 24, 2015 19:13:20 GMT -5
Well, I think I just learned something in this thread.
Until recently, I had two cats. One just passed this week. She was the more adventurous of the two. She always wanted to be outside. I used to replace her collar for the first couple of years, but it never took her more than a few days to rip it off and leave it somewhere. I finally gave up.
Sometimes she would disappear for a week or two at a time. Usually when we'd go on vacation. We'd be gone for a week, she'd stay away longer. And she was known for "visiting" friends and neighbors. She frequently hung out on other people's decks. She was well known for many blocks. I assumed that when she had gone missing that she had another family on the side and was hanging with them.
A couple of years ago she came home with a damaged ear. Now that I see the pictures in this thread, I think that maybe she wasn't in a fight after all. Perhaps someone picked her up a a stray. She was neutered and clearly well fed. But no tags.
The cruelest thing I could have done would have been to keep her indoors. She was quarantined once and it was the most miserable time of her life.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 19:34:45 GMT -5
I clearly was mistaken in thinking these cats were obviously strays. I knew about barn cats and such, but had no idea people in cities and suburbs let their cats roam the neighborhood and it's ok. What if your neighbor hates cats or is afraid of cats or just doesn't want them on their property for whatever reason? Or is just a jerk that likes to hurt animals? What about the cars on the streets? I still don't really get how that's taking good care of a pet you (general you) chose to bring home.
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Post by milee on Mar 24, 2015 19:58:26 GMT -5
I've been debating on the indoor/outdoor cat thing. We had no choice but to let them be indoor/outdoor in the UK, because the houses aren't air conditioned so it's either open a window or swelter all summer. They had a tough time of it at first when we moved, trying to run outside and begging to go out, but seem a little more content now. I know they would enjoy going outside, but also worry about it from a safety standpoint. Coyotes love cats... cats are yummy. Tucson is coyote heaven..
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I clearly was mistaken in thinking these cats were obviously strays. I knew about barn cats and such, but had no idea people in cities and suburbs let their cats roam the neighborhood and it's ok. What if your neighbor hates cats or is afraid of cats or just doesn't want them on their property for whatever reason? Or is just a jerk that likes to hurt animals? What about the cars on the streets? I still don't really get how that's taking good care of a pet you (general you) chose to bring home. If you livein the city or suburbs, kerp them inside. There is no need for them to be outside. They get used to it. If you bring them in because you found them as a stray, just watch your back when you open the doors. In the city and suburbs, there are dangers. Four of my garage cats have been killed by stray/feral packs of dogs, in my area, pit bulls. I have even chased pit bulls out of the garage-they entered through the small pet doors. I do not suggest feeding the cats in your yard. They will then become dependent upon you for their food. If one of the three you saw was the size of a kitten, then there is a good chance one of the adults you saw with it is its mother and therefore, not spayed. I stay in this area (I'm retired) because I made a very big mistake of feeding a couple of kittens. Those kittens then turned into unspayed females who had kittens themselves. The problem escalated when I asked for help from rescue groups and no help came. I would have moved away when I retired in 2004. I then had to trap and fix them to stop the kitten issue. I stay where I live because I created the problem. So I give them food and shelter. Once the last outdoor cat is gone, I am out of here. Do not do what I did. You will regret it. But because I created the problem, it is up to me to see it through to the end.
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Post by Malarky on Mar 24, 2015 20:05:24 GMT -5
I clearly was mistaken in thinking these cats were obviously strays. I knew about barn cats and such, but had no idea people in cities and suburbs let their cats roam the neighborhood and it's ok. What if your neighbor hates cats or is afraid of cats or just doesn't want them on their property for whatever reason? Or is just a jerk that likes to hurt animals? What about the cars on the streets? I still don't really get how that's taking good care of a pet you (general you) chose to bring home. I'd rather live a short but joyful life than be trapped indoors all the time. I choose the same for my cats. Any number of things could happen to me when I set foot out the door. Same for my pets. I'd rather truly live than stay inside and be safe. I tried to make them indoor cats. They were miserable. Open the door-instant happy cat.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Mar 24, 2015 21:16:21 GMT -5
I clearly was mistaken in thinking these cats were obviously strays. I knew about barn cats and such, but had no idea people in cities and suburbs let their cats roam the neighborhood and it's ok. What if your neighbor hates cats or is afraid of cats or just doesn't want them on their property for whatever reason? Or is just a jerk that likes to hurt animals? What about the cars on the streets? I still don't really get how that's taking good care of a pet you (general you) chose to bring home. I would never let my cats go outside! There are cars, other animals, and terrible humans out there. Luckily, mine don't have an interest in the outside world aside from their neighborhood watch perches on the windowsill.
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Post by moon/Laura on Mar 24, 2015 21:33:46 GMT -5
I have 5 cats that are indoor for the most part..they go out for short periods when the weather is warm and generally don't go TOO awfully far away.
I have one other that I call a "part time" cat. he's not feral, but he definitely seems to have been abandoned by whatever family he used to belong to. he has a clipped ear because they do TNR program where I live. he comes in when it's cold or at night (for now). come consistently warmer weather, he may not want to come in at all. he knows where his food comes from though, because i do also care for the true ferals that come around.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 24, 2015 21:39:33 GMT -5
There's a cat curled up on one of my patio chairs, napping I guess. I've been seeing cats hanging out in my bushes and lounging on my patio and front porch for a while now. I can barely tell cats apart and I rarely see more than 1 at a time, but I think there are at least 2 big ones and a kitten. I've never fed them or anything, I don't know why they like my house. I'm a dog lover and don't know much about cats. I assume they're strays that haven't had shots or anything (do cats even get shots like dogs do?). I don't know about diseases stray cats may carry...... are they possibly contaminating my patio furniture? I have 2 small grandchildren, but the cats run when they hear the door open, so I'm not really worried about direct contact at this point. I'm inclined to just leave them be. Is there any reason I shouldn't? Now that I think about it, if there's a kitten now, there may be more in the future. I don't really want to end up with a gang of cats in my yard. You might end up being an "old cat lady"...but seriously; call animal control, or whatever it is called in your area. I'm more of a dog person myself, but I'm told, if you really get to know your cat...they will bring you home dead mice that they killed just for you. Now if that is not affection, I don't know what is. Not only mice. They'll happily bring you gophers, moles, snakes, potato bugs, even a live bat once. They're quite anxious to ensure their can opener is well fed.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 24, 2015 21:41:43 GMT -5
I clearly was mistaken in thinking these cats were obviously strays. I knew about barn cats and such, but had no idea people in cities and suburbs let their cats roam the neighborhood and it's ok. What if your neighbor hates cats or is afraid of cats or just doesn't want them on their property for whatever reason? Or is just a jerk that likes to hurt animals? What about the cars on the streets? I still don't really get how that's taking good care of a pet you (general you) chose to bring home. Some people are just thoughtless - not only are they thoughtless of the neighbors, they're also thoughtless of the little animal they've taken into their home with the tacit promise to care for it to the best of their ability.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 24, 2015 21:59:40 GMT -5
I clearly was mistaken in thinking these cats were obviously strays. I knew about barn cats and such, but had no idea people in cities and suburbs let their cats roam the neighborhood and it's ok. What if your neighbor hates cats or is afraid of cats or just doesn't want them on their property for whatever reason? Or is just a jerk that likes to hurt animals? What about the cars on the streets? I still don't really get how that's taking good care of a pet you (general you) chose to bring home. Some people are just thoughtless - not only are they thoughtless of the neighbors, they're also thoughtless of the little animal they've taken into their home with the tacit promise to care for it to the best of their ability. I don't think you can really blame people. There's bound to be more than a few conversations of the following nature: Cat Owner: Look at my cute widdle puddy wuddy. Oh he's so wonderful. Observer: But he's shredded all your furniture and trashed your living room. Cat Owner: Widdle fluffkins was just having fun, weren't you snookums? Observer: Your hands are all cut up and your house reeks of cat urine. Cat Owner: That's a small price to pay for my widdle ball of love. Observer: Now he just knocked your coffee cup into your lap and deleted your budget spreadsheet by lying down on your keyboard. Cat Owner: Awww. Widdle puddy just wants atten... Widdle puddy is ju- ... Cute baby... B... I- .... O- Oh sweet mother of mercy, what have I become? What have I become!? I'm a slave to a horrible abusive little monster! I'm a mewling, groveling abuse victim begging for more! What have I become!?Something about the "happy cat owner" delusion fractures, and all it takes is a moment for sanity to violently rush in. Hence why there are so many cats "freely roaming the neighbourhood". Relatively few cat owners that regain their sanity have the stomach to permanently "take care of" the problem. Far better to send puss packing and let mother nature handle it.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 24, 2015 22:04:57 GMT -5
Some people are just thoughtless - not only are they thoughtless of the neighbors, they're also thoughtless of the little animal they've taken into their home with the tacit promise to care for it to the best of their ability. I don't think you can really blame people. There's bound to be more than a few conversations of the following nature: Cat Owner: Look at my cute widdle puddy wuddy. Oh he's so wonderful. Observer: But he's shredded all your furniture and trashed your living room. Cat Owner: Widdle fluffkins was just having fun, weren't you snookums? Observer: Your hands are all cut up and your house reeks of cat urine. Cat Owner: That's a small price to pay for my widdle ball of love. Observer: Now he just knocked your coffee cup into your lap and deleted your budget spreadsheet by lying down on your keyboard. Cat Owner: Awww. Widdle puddy just wants atten... Widdle puddy is ju- ... Cute baby... B... I- .... O- Oh sweet mother of mercy, what have I become? What have I become!? I'm a slave to a horrible abusive little monster! I'm a mewling, groveling abuse victim begging for more! What have I become!?Something about the "happy cat owner" delusion fractures, and all it takes is a moment for sanity to violently rush in. Hence why there are so many cats "freely roaming the neighbourhood". Relatively few cat owners that regain their sanity have the stomach to permanently "take care of" the problem. Far better to send puss packing and let mother nature handle it. Ahem! My cats do not shred furniture. They've got scratching posts and they use them. We will NOT discuss expensive throw rugs. Sylvia gets nervous when we do that. My hands are not cut up as the cats use soft paws and don't scratch people. The house does not smell of cat urine because they use their cat toilets in which the sand pellets are washed after each "go". Lying on the computer keyboard is a cat right and privilege. They ask little and take much! Not one of the three will dirty their paws on that nasty ground outside! So there!
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 24, 2015 22:22:26 GMT -5
I don't think you can really blame people. There's bound to be more than a few conversations of the following nature: Cat Owner: Look at my cute widdle puddy wuddy. Oh he's so wonderful. Observer: But he's shredded all your furniture and trashed your living room. Cat Owner: Widdle fluffkins was just having fun, weren't you snookums? Observer: Your hands are all cut up and your house reeks of cat urine. Cat Owner: That's a small price to pay for my widdle ball of love. Observer: Now he just knocked your coffee cup into your lap and deleted your budget spreadsheet by lying down on your keyboard. Cat Owner: Awww. Widdle puddy just wants atten... Widdle puddy is ju- ... Cute baby... B... I- .... O- Oh sweet mother of mercy, what have I become? What have I become!? I'm a slave to a horrible abusive little monster! I'm a mewling, groveling abuse victim begging for more! What have I become!?Something about the "happy cat owner" delusion fractures, and all it takes is a moment for sanity to violently rush in. Hence why there are so many cats "freely roaming the neighbourhood". Relatively few cat owners that regain their sanity have the stomach to permanently "take care of" the problem. Far better to send puss packing and let mother nature handle it. Ahem! My cats do not shred furniture. They've got scratching posts and they use them. We will NOT discuss expensive throw rugs. Sylvia gets nervous when we do that. My hands are not cut up as the cats use soft paws and don't scratch people. The house does not smell of cat urine because they use their cat toilets in which the sand pellets are washed after each "go". Lying on the computer keyboard is a cat right and privilege. They ask little and take much! Not one of the three will dirty their paws on that nasty ground outside! So there! Your cats throw your tortillas around the house, howl at all hours, tear down tablecloths, take running headers into gongs, shred frozen steaks, knock down ornamental vases, and fill your oven door with cat fur (although you're still not sure how this is physically possible). You're a poster child for cat owner Stockholm syndrome. Not even POM's army of puking, pissing monstrosities compares. Or whoever it was who started the "pissed-off " thread, a.k.a. the latest "my cat is destroying everything that I own" thread.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 24, 2015 22:25:31 GMT -5
Ahem! My cats do not shred furniture. They've got scratching posts and they use them. We will NOT discuss expensive throw rugs. Sylvia gets nervous when we do that. My hands are not cut up as the cats use soft paws and don't scratch people. The house does not smell of cat urine because they use their cat toilets in which the sand pellets are washed after each "go". Lying on the computer keyboard is a cat right and privilege. They ask little and take much! Not one of the three will dirty their paws on that nasty ground outside! So there! Your cats throw your tortillas around the house, howl at all hours, tear down tablecloths, take running headers into gongs, shred frozen steaks, knock down ornamental vases, and fill your oven door with cat fur (although you're still not sure how this is physically possible). You're a poster child for cat owner Stockholm syndrome. Not even POM's army of puking, pissing monstrosities compares. Or whoever it was who started the "pissed-off " thread, a.k.a. the latest "my cat is destroying everything that I own" thread. LOL! I must admit those things do, indeed, occur. It is, however, not the cats who do these evil deeds. It's the cat (singular - cat). The Meezer is ... well, a Meezer. She Meezes, but she doesn't puke.
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Post by Jaguar on Mar 24, 2015 22:30:24 GMT -5
I'm laughing so damn hard, tears are running down my face.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 24, 2015 22:33:27 GMT -5
Your cats throw your tortillas around the house, howl at all hours, tear down tablecloths, take running headers into gongs, shred frozen steaks, knock down ornamental vases, and fill your oven door with cat fur (although you're still not sure how this is physically possible). You're a poster child for cat owner Stockholm syndrome. Not even POM's army of puking, pissing monstrosities compares. Or whoever it was who started the "pissed-off " thread, a.k.a. the latest "my cat is destroying everything that I own" thread. LOL! I must admit those things do, indeed, occur. It is, however, not the cats who do these evil deeds. It's the cat (singular - cat). The Meezer is ... well, a Meezer. She Meezes, but she doesn't puke. Your Siamese cat is lucky that your "I love my horrible cat" complex is still in full force, because if and when you regain your sanity, she may well be among the ranks of the alleycats.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 24, 2015 22:38:06 GMT -5
LOL! I must admit those things do, indeed, occur. It is, however, not the cats who do these evil deeds. It's the cat (singular - cat). The Meezer is ... well, a Meezer. She Meezes, but she doesn't puke. Your Siamese cat is lucky that your "I love my horrible cat" complex is still in full force, because if and when you regain your sanity, she may well be among the ranks of the alleycats. ROFL! The Chooch doesn't do "alleycat". The Chooch is the original special snowflake. Since she slid head first into the gong, all she sees is rainbows! Actually, she's pretty cute. She'll love you to pieces 24/7 if you'll let her. She may be the most destructive of the bunch, but she's also the most devoted and the most loving. Besides, even her antics are cute!
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 24, 2015 22:51:18 GMT -5
... Virgil, m'love, you absolutely, positively, most definitely need a cat! In fact, you need at least two cats! Post haste!
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Post by Jaguar on Mar 24, 2015 22:52:05 GMT -5
... Virgil, m'love, you absolutely, positively, most definitely need a cat! In fact, you need at least two cats! Post haste! He needs three cats.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Mar 24, 2015 22:55:08 GMT -5
Virgil Showlion , you need a new hobby.
My pet does not shred furniture or knock things over/make a mess.
(PS: I also don't have to get up at the gawd-awful hour of one-hour-after-falling-asleep, or stumble outside in the middle of freaking winter before the sun's up and-me-not-having-my-coffee-yet to take him out for "walkies" and a poop. And then pick up said poop off the ground, deposit in a bag to carry home and throw in the trash so nobody gets my pet's poo on their shoe.
My cat is also self-cleaning - just like my oven.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 24, 2015 23:35:49 GMT -5
Virgil Showlion , you need a new hobby.
My pet does not shred furniture or knock things over/make a mess.
(PS: I also don't have to get up at the gawd-awful hour of one-hour-after-falling-asleep, or stumble outside in the middle of freaking winter before the sun's up and-me-not-having-my-coffee-yet to take him out for "walkies" and a poop. And then pick up said poop off the ground, deposit in a bag to carry home and throw in the trash so nobody gets my pet's poo on their shoe.
My cat is also self-cleaning - just like my oven. Firstly, I've only ever owned dogs while living in rural areas. Morning poop time is letting pooch outside whenever I feel like getting up, letting him do his business wherever, and letting him back in when I feel like it. Secondly, you do the very same poop scoop exercise, only you do your scooping out of the litter box. The litter box has to cleaned and refilled on a regular basis and spreads cat litter to the far reaches of your domicile. This is to say nothing of the endless parade of threads by cat owners whose snoogums don't poo in the box, only sometimes poo in the box, poo beside the box, poo in the box but kick the poo onto their sofa, etc., etc. Thirdly, even in the city any reasonable dog owner will have trained pooch not to fuss before scheduled "poo time" (because unlike cats, dogs can be trained into such behaviours), and any reasonable owner will know where the public trash cans are along their walk route. They'll have to carry their payload maybe 50 feet before being able to dispose of it. Finally, the "self-cleaning cat" is a myth, and indeed we need only consult our handy message board again to discover cat owner testimonials about how their cat stinks to high heaven after it's gone two months without a bath (or how their neighbour's cat stinks to high heaven but said neighbour is a cat stink denier). We also find several threads about bathing cats, which are consistently satirical in nature because the act of bathing a cat is so violent and traumatic that joking about it is really the only way cat owners can cope. So no, I don't need a new hobby. You need a better pet. Fortunately, God has provided man a loyal, loving, non-abusive alternative (also known as "man's best friend").
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 25, 2015 0:14:14 GMT -5
*chuckle* Thanks, Virgil Showlion. I can now wander off to bed with tears in my eyes. What a beautiful film clip and what a beautiful dog. So thankful there are those who care.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Mar 25, 2015 0:30:30 GMT -5
1. . 2. 3. 1. My kitty's cat litter box gets cleaned/sanitized/washed on a regular basis. He doesn't pee or poo outside of the box - or kick poo onto my sofa, etc.
2. My cat doesn't "stink to high-heaven" - or even the lower bowels of hell.
My cat is self-bathing and grooms himself regularly - he's also very fond of having a bath or jumping into a tub that's filled to a shallow level to get washed- he then enjoys a warm drying with the hair blower. Bathing a pooch or getting the beast into the tub is something dog-owners often have to struggle to get their dogs to agree to. (Hosing them down does not constitute a bath).
3. I didn't have to "train" my kitty to "pee or poo on schedule". He goes when he needs to go. Even in the middle of the night when I'm asleep (and in said litter box). In the morning, his "offering", is cleaned out of the box and all's well.
(AND I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE).
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 25, 2015 8:19:05 GMT -5
You might end up being an "old cat lady"...but seriously; call animal control, or whatever it is called in your area. I'm more of a dog person myself, but I'm told, if you really get to know your cat...they will bring you home dead mice that they killed just for you. Now if that is not affection, I don't know what is. Not only mice. They'll happily bring you gophers, moles, snakes, potato bugs, even a live bat once. They're quite anxious to ensure their can opener is well fed. Twice, the outdoor cats have brought me fish; found one in the middle of the backyard and one under my car in the driveway. Both of them small freshwater fish called pumpkinseed or sun fish. The interesting thing is the fish had no bite marks on them. I assume the cats brought them home. But maybe not. Both fish were found a day or two after severe thunderstorms on different days blew though the area. So did the cats bring the fish home or did winds from the thunderstorms suck up some lake or pond water, including the fish in it, west of me and then deposit the fish as the storm progressed east? I don't know. But I do know there is no lake or pond close to me from where the cats could fish.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 25, 2015 12:32:20 GMT -5
I've been debating on the indoor/outdoor cat thing. We had no choice but to let them be indoor/outdoor in the UK, because the houses aren't air conditioned so it's either open a window or swelter all summer. They had a tough time of it at first when we moved, trying to run outside and begging to go out, but seem a little more content now. I know they would enjoy going outside, but also worry about it from a safety standpoint. There's a nifty little invention in North America. It's called window screens. Hmmm, maybe I should be hawking window screens across the pond if they haven't figured out how to open a window. I'll make a bloody fortune!!
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 25, 2015 12:49:43 GMT -5
1. . 2. 3. 1. My kitty's cat litter box gets cleaned/sanitized/washed on a regular basis. He doesn't pee or poo outside of the box - or kick poo onto my sofa, etc.
2. My cat doesn't "stink to high-heaven" - or even the lower bowels of hell.
My cat is self-bathing and grooms himself regularly - he's also very fond of having a bath or jumping into a tub that's filled to a shallow level to get washed- he then enjoys a warm drying with the hair blower. Bathing a pooch or getting the beast into the tub is something dog-owners often have to struggle to get their dogs to agree to. (Hosing them down does not constitute a bath).
3. I didn't have to "train" my kitty to "pee or poo on schedule". He goes when he needs to go. Even in the middle of the night when I'm asleep (and in said litter box). In the morning, his "offering", is cleaned out of the box and all's well.
(AND I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE).
Based on what you've said, notwithstanding any destructive tendencies you're not telling us about for diplomacy's sake, your cat sounds like a half decent pet. He amounts to a smaller, dumber version of a dog. Don't start with "He's just as smart as a dog." because if you claim he can perform tricks and useful work on command, you'll have pushed the limits of what I can reasonably believe. My conclusion will revert from "Maybe there are some decent cats." to "She really does think I'll buy the Brooklyn Bridge." and all of your cat advocacy in this thread will be for naught. Suffice it to say that your cat sounds like a chocolate cream-filled air puff delight compared to your fellow YMAMers' hellbeasts.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 25, 2015 13:00:13 GMT -5
1. . 2. 3. 1. My kitty's cat litter box gets cleaned/sanitized/washed on a regular basis. He doesn't pee or poo outside of the box - or kick poo onto my sofa, etc.
2. My cat doesn't "stink to high-heaven" - or even the lower bowels of hell.
My cat is self-bathing and grooms himself regularly - he's also very fond of having a bath or jumping into a tub that's filled to a shallow level to get washed- he then enjoys a warm drying with the hair blower. Bathing a pooch or getting the beast into the tub is something dog-owners often have to struggle to get their dogs to agree to. (Hosing them down does not constitute a bath).
3. I didn't have to "train" my kitty to "pee or poo on schedule". He goes when he needs to go. Even in the middle of the night when I'm asleep (and in said litter box). In the morning, his "offering", is cleaned out of the box and all's well.
(AND I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE).
Based on what you've said, notwithstanding any destructive tendencies you're not telling us about for diplomacy's sake, your cat sounds like a half decent pet. He amounts to a smaller, dumber version of a dog. Don't start with "He's just as smart as a dog." because if you claim he can perform tricks and useful work on command, you'll have pushed the limits of what I can reasonably believe. My conclusion will revert from "Maybe there are some decent cats." to "She really does think I'll buy the Brooklyn Bridge." and all of your cat advocacy in this thread will be for naught. Suffice it to say that your cat sounds like a chocolate cream-filled air puff delight compared to your fellow YMAMers' hellbeasts. You know who iS smarter than dogs, can do tricks and perform useful work? Rats! Everyone should have pet rats.
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