Obama orders Gitmo military trials to resume

[ed1066]

Another Barack Obama lie exposed. He promised to close Gitmo within one year of taking office (I'm sure no lefy here will cop to remembering that). Now, not only is it still open, Obama has ordered the military trials to resume (you know, the ones libs shrieked about when Bush was in office).

In related news, of course, liberals now LOVE military trials at Gitmo, so it's all good...we should never hear about it again...

thehill.com/homenews/administration/147871-obama-military-commissions-to-resume-for-gitmo-detainees

President Obama on Monday ordered trials by military commission to resume at Guantánamo Bay.

The move signals another defeat for Obama, who pledged to close the terrorist detention facility in Cuba within one year of taking office.

In a fact sheet, the White House said Obama “remains committed” to closing the facility, but the president’s decision to lift the ban on military commissions signals the unlikelihood that Obama will successfully transfer all of the prisoners in Cuba.

Shortly after Obama came to office and announced his goal of closing the facility, the administration suspended new charges in military commissions in Cuba.

But on Monday, Obama directed Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to “issue an order rescinding his prior suspension on the swearing and referring of new charges in the military commissions.”

[Angel!]

All your posts are proving to me is that you know nothing about liberals.

[ed1066]

All your posts are proving to me is that you know nothing about liberals.

The responses to this story will be the judge of that...starting with yours.

[Angel!]

Mar 7, 2011 17:46:39 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

All your posts are proving to me is that you know nothing about liberals.

The responses to this story will be the judge of that...starting with yours.

Judge all you want. All I know is that everytime I ask for some data to backup your claims you just ignore me.

But, I can try again - Give me some proof that liberals who used to hate the military trials now LOVE them.

[Deleted]

People in the know are aware that there is no way GITMO was shutting down. Seriously, we have many bad guys in custody, many more incoming---- sure it looked good to the I HATE BUSH crowd of voters---- but, in reality-- closing down GITMO is a bad thing. Sorry you libs are having to deal with this. Must suck to be you right now.

[ed1066]

Give me some proof that liberals who used to hate the military trials now LOVE them.

Well, I don't see any of them here condemning this news...do you? As I said, the reaction (or lack of it) to this story will tell the tale...

[Angel!]

Mar 7, 2011 18:03:40 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Give me some proof that liberals who used to hate the military trials now LOVE them.

Well, I don't see any of them here condemning this news...do you? As I said, the reaction (or lack of it) to this story will tell the tale...

A lack of response doesn't consistute proof that liberals LOVE the idea.

Personally, I didn't care that he was going to shut it down & I don't care that he is keeping it open. The only thing that annoys me about this thread is your tendency to think you know how liberals think, when clearly you don't.

[Loopdilou]

I think it sucks that they weren't able to find state-side facilities to house the prisoners of Gitmo, but I don't think any of us expected the trials to not continue. Honestly, I was never one of those "liberals" that was calling for the shut down of Gitmo in the first place... I'd like there to be more civilian and human rights oversight of the facility, but that's about it.

[deziloooooo]

"Sorry you libs are having to deal with this. Must suck to be you right now.'

Seems not only do you not care for the president and any thing he does , you now are taking a personal tack against those who might have a different idea on politics and policy then you do too, taking it real personal , which I have to say is kind of juvenile and short sighted action and feelings from a supposed adult, it doesn't become you actually and not necessary to get your thoughts across.

Regarding, Git mo as a Prison for these Prisoners, many middle to the left really had no problem with it, as long as the buildings were clean, they had normal recreation time, decent food, medical care.
While he campaigned on a platform of closing them as a prison, once he became POTUS I am thinking that it was shown why both politically and security wise as well as legally it was best for now to keep the prisoners there. I believe he isn't happy about it but is enough of a realist to realize until things change he is stuck with it for now. Things change in life , this is one of them and I for one am glad that to change his mind when he realizes it is best that he does , he doesn't see it as a attack on his manhood as a former POTUS seemed to feel when also faced with policy decisions that should be changed.

[mmhmm]

I can see the dilemma here. Congress fought bringing the detainees to US courts for trial. Other countries refused to take them. What was the administration to do? Throw them in the ocean, perhaps? There's more to this story than you've presented, ed ... as usual.

[ed1066]

I can see the dilemma here. Congress fought bringing the detainees to US courts for trial. Other countries refused to take them. What was the administration to do?

Uh, keep their promise? No, nevermind...as I said, it's all "rah rah rah" for Gitmo trials now that The One is in charge...

[deziloooooo]

Mar 7, 2011 19:01:19 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I can see the dilemma here. Congress fought bringing the detainees to US courts for trial. Other countries refused to take them. What was the administration to do? Throw them in the ocean, perhaps? There's more to this story than you've presented, ed ... as usual.

You just discovered this...?

[mmhmm]

Hardly, dez. Ed has been pretty obvious from the get-go.

[Loopdilou]

Mar 7, 2011 19:12:10 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

I can see the dilemma here. Congress fought bringing the detainees to US courts for trial. Other countries refused to take them. What was the administration to do?

Uh, keep their promise? No, nevermind...as I said, it's all "rah rah rah" for Gitmo trials now that The One is in charge...

Oh yah, we're all standing around with pom-poms. Seriously. We just love trials.

[billisonboard]

This lib still wishes for Gitmo to be closed and no trials by military commision to be held. President Obama certainly isn't living up to his billing as a radical leftest.

[deziloooooo]

Mar 7, 2011 20:23:38 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

This lib still wishes for Gitmo to be closed and no trials by military commision to be held. President Obama certainly isn't living up to his billing as a radical leftest.

Possible it is more then the average citizen can really understand. it's not the same as POW's, Japanese , the few we had, Germans, even die hard Nazis, Italians who didn't want in so many cases to be fighting us, Koreans {so many who fought going back}, vietnamese..those folks were released after a while , when the wars were over. No paroles for officers that were common in the 18th century, pledged not to fight again.

These folks, so many when released as many have been after time end back with the AL Quida, what do you do? The war is also not over, won't be probably ever and forever.

Possible have civilian trials, they are found not guilty just release them give them a ride home...knowing that so many will be joining again and possible become human bombs.

Not a simple answer and for the liberal who is uncomfortable with the whole thing, possible take a page from the conservative side, let those in charge of this one , do what has to be done, and we can argue about the Bush tax cuts, which programs should and shouldn't be cut and ague about the WI Governors fight to break the unions , but on the prisoners, for me, I will let those in charge do what they feel they have to do.

As far as the POTUS changing his mind on this, well as a President , he finds his original idea not workable, then so be it, if he can be in charge of the button , then he is allowed to change his mind with no criticism for doing so necessary except for the small minded and there we know who fits that bill.

[billisonboard]

Mar 7, 2011 20:43:37 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

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Not a simple answer and for the liberal who is uncomfortable with the whole thing, possible take a page from the conservative side, let those in charge of this one , do what has to be done, and we can argue about the Bush tax cuts, which programs should and shouldn't be cut and ague about the WI Governors fight to break the unions , but on the prisoners, for me, I will let those in charge do what they feel they have to do.

Of course they are going to do what they think is best. Don't have to like it.

[burnsattornincan]

I believe he isn't happy about it but is enough of a realist to realize until things change he is stuck with it for now. Things change in life , this is one of them and I for one am glad that to change his mind

Gee, thats a pretty good answer for breaking a campaign promise - "things change...". Should just about cover it all. Carry on!

[deziloooooo]

Mar 7, 2011 20:53:42 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Mar 7, 2011 20:43:37 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

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Not a simple answer and for the liberal who is uncomfortable with the whole thing, possible take a page from the conservative side, let those in charge of this one , do what has to be done, and we can argue about the Bush tax cuts, which programs should and shouldn't be cut and ague about the WI Governors fight to break the unions , but on the prisoners, for me, I will let those in charge do what they feel they have to do.

Of course they are going to do what they think is best. Don't have to like it.

Nice thing about being American, can disagree with things like Government policy even if we don't have a better way to do something and I haven't one on this problem, beyond taking some out with a shovel and coming back alone carrying the shovel , so until a better way, when you consider what releasing them back int society..I go with my post above.

[mmhmm]

I don't find adjusting to changes in information and circumstances a weakness, personally.

[burnsattornincan]

I don't find adjusting to changes in information and circumstances a weakness, personally.

Neither do I actually however as Mr. ed1066 points out, most liberals were cheering on Obama and his snowy white chariot declarations such as closing gitmo but now that he "changes his mind" most liberals are not at all perturbed by that, except the honest ones like Mr. billisonboard.

[ed1066]

Possible it is more then the average citizen can really understand

Ah, there's the old "you're too stupid to possibly understand what The One is doing, he's on a different level". Sorry, dezi, I don't buy it. Seems like you've swallowed the Obama kool aid and there's no antidote for you...

and btw, the "average citizen" is a hell of a lot smarter than Barack Obama...

[deziloooooo]

Mar 7, 2011 21:13:41 GMT -5 burnsattornincan said:

I don't find adjusting to changes in information and circumstances a weakness, personally.

Neither do I actually however as Mr. ed1066 points out, most liberals were cheering on Obama and his snowy white chariot declarations such as closing gitmo but now that he "changes his mind" most liberals are not at all perturbed by that, except the honest ones like Mr. billisonboard.

Thats were you continuously make the mistake of painting with a paint brush. I am a middle to the left , but when it comes to security , defense...in this one, I thought Gitmo was fine the Bush water boardings for information, said we got it, of who, fine with me and the laws now on the books to listen to phone calls , follow people, possible a tweaking of civil rights, go for it if it's the tools needed .

[burnsattornincan]

Thats were you continuously make the mistake of painting with a paint brush.

Well most would consider that appropriate but anyway....

[hello fromWarsaw]

He didn't change his mind, the party of NO obstructed it duh.

[ed1066]

He didn't change his mind, the party of NO obstructed it duh.

Well, 20-odd posts and one Demtroll in, I think it's safe to say my point is proved. Not a single lib has the balls to admit Obama duped them. You all are a sad, sad lot...

[Loopdilou]

Here's my thing about campaign promises from either party - if you listen to them and believe that ABSOLUTELY 100% POSITIVELY THEY ARE GOING TO HAPPEN, you're a fucking dumb ass. To me they're more like guideposts that a candidate will maneuver towards, depending on the political climate and what's actually possible (it's not like a President walks in knowing the inner workings of the government in his first term) - shit happens.

Obama didn't dupe anyone here. 'Cause none of us are fucking dumbasses.

[deziloooooo]

Mar 8, 2011 0:31:05 GMT -5 Loopdilou said:

Here's my thing about campaign promises from either party - if you listen to them and believe that ABSOLUTELY 100% POSITIVELY THEY ARE GOING TO HAPPEN, you're a fucking dumb ass. To me they're more like guideposts that a candidate will maneuver towards, depending on the political climate and what's actually possible (it's not like a President walks in knowing the inner workings of the government in his first term) - shit happens.

Obama didn't dupe anyone here. 'Cause none of us are fucking dumbasses.

Nicely intelligently pointed out and said

[hello fromWarsaw]

#25-So congress, led by Pubs, didn't stop the Gitmo closing? Amazing world you inhabit, pub dupe. You have to believe lies to be a dupe.

[ed1066]

So congress, led by Pubs, didn't stop the Gitmo closing?

No.

Demtroll...