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Post by ponomo on Mar 3, 2015 14:42:01 GMT -5
DD's tuition is about 7100 a year at the state university, she lives at home and commutes into the city for class. We cover the tuition her federal loans don't, plus car and insurance. Gas and books are on her. Her AP credits took care of almost the first year of college , so she should be right around the 20,000 mark in student loans when she graduates. She might make enough money as a high school English teacher to cover the payments .
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Post by emma1420 on Mar 3, 2015 15:05:59 GMT -5
At my local state university tuition if you are in-state is $10,448 a year.
Tuition at the local community college is $3100 a year.
Tuition at my alma mater (a small private liberal arts college) is $33,750 this year. My freshman year (20 years ago this year, ack!) tuition was $11,300. So tuition has almost tripled in the last 20 years. However, I know when I went (and I'm assuming the same is true now), it was cheaper for me to go to a private school than a state school. I got a scholarship that covered 75% of my tuition and got several outside scholarships and grants that combined with work study covered most of my room and board. I still had to take out loans, but I did much better financially at the private school with the bigger price tag than I would have done at the state school school.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 16:20:35 GMT -5
I looked up the four by us.
The two public schools are $8750 and $8769 (tuition and fees only)
The two private are $23330 and $42780 (tuition and fees only)
The private school give a lot of scholarship money. When I had applied at the 42K one back in the day it came out to be only a few thousand more than the public after the aid.
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Post by TheHaitian on Mar 3, 2015 16:37:22 GMT -5
If it makes anyone feel any better, my daycare bill is about 75K for 5 years per kid and I still have to provide their housing, then I'll have to pay for after-school care. I have to cash-flow the $2500/month and they are too little to pay for any themselves. I feel like daycare is just preparing me for college tuition. That is what I said about the costs of Daycare in MA Some daycare costs are equal to a full year tuition at a state college here :eek:
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Post by tskeeter on Mar 3, 2015 17:38:32 GMT -5
I just saw in the paper this weekend the new costs for attending colleges in my area.
My Alma Mater, private, liberal arts party school: $62,000 DH's Alma Mater, private sciency school: $57,000 SUNY 4 year: $20,000 for NYS residents SUNY 2 year: $17,000 for NYS residents.
How much of an increase is that since you guys went to school? I'm always amazed at how fast the costs have risen, especially since they were rising fast even in the late 90s. My law school was $35K/year when I started (06), $40K when I graduated (09), and is now $52K. So that's $156K in tuition, plus $1K/semester for books, plus the costs of living in NYC for 3 years (and not being "allowed" to work as a 1L). Makes my $140K SL balance seem like a bargain. Part of the cost is the result of the interesting ways that academic insitiutions can dream up to spend money. My Alma Mater was bragging about the completion of building out a mobile science lab in a semi trailer. At at cost of $750K. This was to be the first of four such units. So, $3,000,000. And that's before operating costs and maintenance. About another $400,000 a year in driver compensation and benefits and truck operating and maintenance costs. Plus the science types. At least another $400,000 a year in compensation and benefits. So, if the equipment lasts for five years (the IRS lets you depreciate vehicles over an expected useful life of four years), the annual operating cost and 20% of the depreciation would total $1,400,000 a year. 100% of the tuition paid by 82 students every single year would be required to support this one program. Now, why does a state university need $3,000,000 worth of mobile science labs? To promote the university, of course. Otherwise, nobody in the state would realize that branch of the state university system teaches science classes?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 17:43:04 GMT -5
How much of an increase is that since you guys went to school? I'm always amazed at how fast the costs have risen, especially since they were rising fast even in the late 90s. My law school was $35K/year when I started (06), $40K when I graduated (09), and is now $52K. So that's $156K in tuition, plus $1K/semester for books, plus the costs of living in NYC for 3 years (and not being "allowed" to work as a 1L). Makes my $140K SL balance seem like a bargain. Part of the cost is the result of the interesting ways that academic insitiutions can dream up to spend money. My Alma Mater was bragging about the completion of building out a mobile science lab in a semi trailer. At at cost of $750K. This was to be the first of four such units. So, $3,000,000. And that's before operating costs and maintenance. About another $400,000 a year in driver compensation and benefits and truck operating and maintenance costs. Plus the science types. At least another $400,000 a year in compensation and benefits. So, if the equipment lasts for five years (the IRS lets you depreciate vehicles over an expected useful life of four years), the annual operating cost and 20% of the depreciation would total $1,400,000 a year. 100% of the tuition paid by 82 students every single year would be required to support this one program. Now, why does a state university need $3,000,000 worth of mobile science labs? To promote the university, of course. Otherwise, nobody in the state would realize that branch of the state university system teaches science classes? if you were going to major in science would you want to go to a school that hadn't updated their science labs in 40 years?
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Post by tskeeter on Mar 3, 2015 17:50:21 GMT -5
Part of the cost is the result of the interesting ways that academic insitiutions can dream up to spend money. My Alma Mater was bragging about the completion of building out a mobile science lab in a semi trailer. At at cost of $750K. This was to be the first of four such units. So, $3,000,000. And that's before operating costs and maintenance. About another $400,000 a year in driver compensation and benefits and truck operating and maintenance costs. Plus the science types. At least another $400,000 a year in compensation and benefits. So, if the equipment lasts for five years (the IRS lets you depreciate vehicles over an expected useful life of four years), the annual operating cost and 20% of the depreciation would total $1,400,000 a year. 100% of the tuition paid by 82 students every single year would be required to support this one program. Now, why does a state university need $3,000,000 worth of mobile science labs? To promote the university, of course. Otherwise, nobody in the state would realize that branch of the state university system teaches science classes? if you were going to major in science would you want to go to a school that hadn't updated their science labs in 40 years? No. But, I think that investing the $1.4 million a year in upgrades to on campus laboratory facilities and recruiting the best faculty in the country would be a much better investment, and a much more effective way to recruit students into science programs. After all, having fancy mobile science labs that are used only for recruiting and having dumps for labs on campus wouldn't be a very good idea. Now, if the taxpayers in your state have so much money that they can't figure out how to spend it, then, just maybe, millions of dollars worth of mobile science labs to carry your name on their side might make some sense.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 18:06:16 GMT -5
if you were going to major in science would you want to go to a school that hadn't updated their science labs in 40 years? No. But, I think that investing the $1.4 million a year in upgrades to on campus laboratory facilities and recruiting the best faculty in the country would be a much better investment, and a much more effective way to recruit students into science programs. After all, having fancy mobile science labs that are used only for recruiting and having dumps for labs on campus wouldn't be a very good idea. Now, if the taxpayers in your state have so much money that they can't figure out how to spend it, then, just maybe, millions of dollars worth of mobile science labs to carry your name on their side might make some sense. do you know for a fact that it wasn't paid for with private money? if someone donated and said I'm donating for x and the school didn't do x, I'm sure the donor would demand their money back.
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Post by Malarky on Mar 3, 2015 18:14:47 GMT -5
My absolutely average kids don't qualify for any needs based scholarship. We make to much money. Nevermind that for most of their lives, we made jack for $. And they are average. So no big "here's a chunk of money because you are so brilliant." In state tuition for state schools is $25,000 including room and board. Times four...we're talking $100,000. DH and I pay for the first year, after that, it has to be loans. DS went for one semester, wasn't ready and took a step back and figured out that it was too expense a place to "find himself." Not sure when or if he'll go back (I'm hoping) but I absolutely understand not wanting to take out $75,000 worth of loans if you aren't sure. DD has big dreams. But not the grades. Deciding that she actually wants to go to college is new this year. We'll see who accepts her. Same rules apply. One year, $25,000. Whichever comes first, it's all we managed to save for them. Realistically, it's community college for them. Credits cost about $200 each. So $600-$800 per class. This could take a while. And DH is probably going back to school in the next year or so.
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Post by tskeeter on Mar 3, 2015 18:51:21 GMT -5
No. But, I think that investing the $1.4 million a year in upgrades to on campus laboratory facilities and recruiting the best faculty in the country would be a much better investment, and a much more effective way to recruit students into science programs. After all, having fancy mobile science labs that are used only for recruiting and having dumps for labs on campus wouldn't be a very good idea. Now, if the taxpayers in your state have so much money that they can't figure out how to spend it, then, just maybe, millions of dollars worth of mobile science labs to carry your name on their side might make some sense. do you know for a fact that it wasn't paid for with private money? if someone donated and said I'm donating for x and the school didn't do x, I'm sure the donor would demand their money back. Yup. The program was $1.4 million a year worth of university funds. Not funding provided by donors. Even if you have some donor funding, it's worth brearing in mind that sometimes you really ought to look a gift horse in the mouth. A shirt tail relative of DW's who we refer to as Crazy Cousin "I" really was given a broken down old horse by someone who didn't want to pay for the upkeep any more. So "I" had to find a place to pasture the horse, pays for some feed, and pays for the vet bills and farrier. The person who gifted "I" with the horse just shifted all the cost of the upkeep of the horse from their pocket to "I"'s. Donor's can do the same thing to not for profits.
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Post by luckyme on Mar 3, 2015 20:00:02 GMT -5
We've been dealing w/ costs like this for the past couple of years. It is frightening on a lower income level.
DD19 is going to local college. We had to buy her a used car. The tuition and fees are being covered by grants, loans, and her job. We pick up the shortfall, usually books and car repairs. I am hoping she graduates w/ no more than $15k in debt. Around here a PTA can make around $35K.
DS is quite brilliant. He has scored several full tuition scholarships + cash to offset room & board. He will be a plane flight away, which makes me sad, but we have to go with the best financial aid. Between his loans, campus job, and some money from us, he will probably graduate w/ about $27K in debt. He is going for computer engineering, so that debt should be manageable.
Youngest DD has been told to score well, and do well. IF she can score scholarships like DS, then she can also go away to school. IF not, she will be living at home and going local like her sister.
I know there are people out there that make a lot of money, but college costs are crazy, and I can't see how it can continue.
FYI, the school my oldest was attending cost $6900 for tuition and fees. When I went, 25 years ago, it was $2700. I paid that easily, she is just about covering it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 20:02:35 GMT -5
You guys just remind me why I'm trying to put away at least a little money for my grandchildren's education. It is a pittance, but it is that much less they will have to repay.
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Post by teen persuasion on Mar 3, 2015 23:20:51 GMT -5
At my local state university tuition if you are in-state is $10,448 a year. Tuition at the local community college is $3100 a year. Tuition at my alma mater (a small private liberal arts college) is $33,750 this year. My freshman year (20 years ago this year, ack!) tuition was $11,300. So tuition has almost tripled in the last 20 years. However, I know when I went (and I'm assuming the same is true now), it was cheaper for me to go to a private school than a state school. I got a scholarship that covered 75% of my tuition and got several outside scholarships and grants that combined with work study covered most of my room and board. I still had to take out loans, but I did much better financially at the private school with the bigger price tag than I would have done at the state school school. Similar for me - it was cheaper for me to go to the private liberal arts college with a full tuition scholarship than to go to SUNY on a partial scholarship. DD3 is at a SUNY now - that $20k is about $8 tuition and fees, $12k R and B. It's stupid when housing is more than tuition.
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 4, 2015 0:04:02 GMT -5
You guys just remind me why I'm trying to put away at least a little money for my grandchildren's education. It is a pittance, but it is that much less they will have to repay.
Started last year when the little guy was born. His parents are saving a bunch for him, so I call my contribution his future pizza money but the way tuition is rising there won't be anything left for a second slice...
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Post by tskeeter on Mar 4, 2015 13:02:46 GMT -5
We've been dealing w/ costs like this for the past couple of years. It is frightening on a lower income level.
DD19 is going to local college. We had to buy her a used car. The tuition and fees are being covered by grants, loans, and her job. We pick up the shortfall, usually books and car repairs. I am hoping she graduates w/ no more than $15k in debt. Around here a PTA can make around $35K.
DS is quite brilliant. He has scored several full tuition scholarships + cash to offset room & board. He will be a plane flight away, which makes me sad, but we have to go with the best financial aid. Between his loans, campus job, and some money from us, he will probably graduate w/ about $27K in debt. He is going for computer engineering, so that debt should be manageable.
Youngest DD has been told to score well, and do well. IF she can score scholarships like DS, then she can also go away to school. IF not, she will be living at home and going local like her sister.
I know there are people out there that make a lot of money, but college costs are crazy, and I can't see how it can continue.
FYI, the school my oldest was attending cost $6900 for tuition and fees. When I went, 25 years ago, it was $2700. I paid that easily, she is just about covering it.
Remember chatting with my younger brother a couple of years after he completed his EE degree. He'd chosen to focus on power utilities. Why? It paid about 20% more than computer engineering. At that time, computer engineering was much more glamorous than power generation. So there was a lot of competition for silicon valley jobs. But they were begging for engineers in power generation. Little bro was quite pleased with himself that he'd been hired at a significantly better compensation level than his classmates who had better grade point averages who went into computer engineering.
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Post by tractor on Mar 4, 2015 14:29:58 GMT -5
We've been dealing w/ costs like this for the past couple of years. It is frightening on a lower income level.
DD19 is going to local college. We had to buy her a used car. The tuition and fees are being covered by grants, loans, and her job. We pick up the shortfall, usually books and car repairs. I am hoping she graduates w/ no more than $15k in debt. Around here a PTA can make around $35K.
DS is quite brilliant. He has scored several full tuition scholarships + cash to offset room & board. He will be a plane flight away, which makes me sad, but we have to go with the best financial aid. Between his loans, campus job, and some money from us, he will probably graduate w/ about $27K in debt. He is going for computer engineering, so that debt should be manageable.
Youngest DD has been told to score well, and do well. IF she can score scholarships like DS, then she can also go away to school. IF not, she will be living at home and going local like her sister.
I know there are people out there that make a lot of money, but college costs are crazy, and I can't see how it can continue.
FYI, the school my oldest was attending cost $6900 for tuition and fees. When I went, 25 years ago, it was $2700. I paid that easily, she is just about covering it.
Remember chatting with my younger brother a couple of years after he completed his EE degree. He'd chosen to focus on power utilities. Why? It paid about 20% more than computer engineering. At that time, computer engineering was much more glamorous than power generation. So there was a lot of competition for silicon valley jobs. But they were begging for engineers in power generation. Little bro was quite pleased with himself that he'd been hired at a significantly better compensation level than his classmates who had better grade point averages who went into computer engineering. EEs are still in high demand in the transmission line field. We have been trying to fill positions for a couple of years, even after heavy recruiting, it's tough to find EE's for our in house operations.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Mar 4, 2015 18:19:19 GMT -5
ODS: Two small, private, out-of-state, liberal arts colleges. Our EFC is (cue: hysterical laughter) $36,000. #1 Choice: Tuition: $38,350 Room & Board: $9,100 Fees: $900 Total before fun money and books: $48,350 He has received $12,000 in "merit" money and can take $5,550 in loans, so net cost so far is $30,800. We are still awaiting the financial aid letter. #2 Choice: Tuition: $37,230 Room and Board: $10,028 Fees: $800 Total before fun money and books: $48,058 He received $4,000 in "merit" money and $24,000 in non-merit scholarships plus $5,500 in loans plus $1,500 in work study, so net is $13,058. Choice #2 we would simply cash flow. Choice #1 is a "wait and see", and, if necessary, we will negotiate using Choice #2's aid package. Either way, Choice #2 is far less than our flagship state university (which he likely wouldn't get into anyway now that they've gone all "highly selective"). I expect Choice #1 to also be cheaper than the state U. So, I totally agree with those posters who encourage students and their parents to seriously consider private schools -- there IS money to be had from them. In fact, I kind of feel like private colleges are like car dealerships -- there is the sticker price, and then there is the price you actually pay.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 4, 2015 18:36:14 GMT -5
Why is that not necessarily the best way for someone younger? I went to a JC for 2 years right after high school then transferred to a state school where I was done in 2 1/2 years. I was able to work during school and get out debt free and this was back in 2005. Costs have definitely gone up but there are still cheaper options out there that all college students should be considering. To me unless you're on a very specific path that requires it I don't think it's smart to go off to a 4 year where you rack up 10's of thousands on your first 2 years when a lot of those classes can be completed at a JC for a fraction of the cost. I'll help my children first and foremost when it comes to college by teaching them that there are cheaper options than running off to a 4 year right after high school. If they want to go that route we will support them completely but they'll be responsible for taking out whatever loans are required beyond what we are able to save for them while they're growing up. They'll know that life is all about choices and as an adult you're responsible for the consequences that result from the choices you make. so CUNY for 2 years is $17K a year and then SUNY for 2 years is $20K a year so $74k total if you finish in 4 years, and that's for in state. please explain how an 18-21 year old is supposed to make that kind of money. that also doesn't include books. SUNY tuition alone is around $6100/year for undergraduate, in state tuition, the rest is living expenses.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 4, 2015 18:43:11 GMT -5
How much of an increase is that since you guys went to school? I'm always amazed at how fast the costs have risen, especially since they were rising fast even in the late 90s. My law school was $35K/year when I started (06), $40K when I graduated (09), and is now $52K. So that's $156K in tuition, plus $1K/semester for books, plus the costs of living in NYC for 3 years (and not being "allowed" to work as a 1L). Makes my $140K SL balance seem like a bargain. Part of the cost is the result of the interesting ways that academic insitiutions can dream up to spend money. My Alma Mater was bragging about the completion of building out a mobile science lab in a semi trailer. At at cost of $750K. This was to be the first of four such units. So, $3,000,000. And that's before operating costs and maintenance. About another $400,000 a year in driver compensation and benefits and truck operating and maintenance costs. Plus the science types. At least another $400,000 a year in compensation and benefits. So, if the equipment lasts for five years (the IRS lets you depreciate vehicles over an expected useful life of four years), the annual operating cost and 20% of the depreciation would total $1,400,000 a year. 100% of the tuition paid by 82 students every single year would be required to support this one program. Now, why does a state university need $3,000,000 worth of mobile science labs? To promote the university, of course. Otherwise, nobody in the state would realize that branch of the state university system teaches science classes? Maybe the same reason why the university where I worked had millions of $$ tied up in mobile dental vans? While it does promote the university, it DOES also provide a service to the local community. I know our mobile dental clinics are now pushing about 12 years old, if not more. I seriously doubt $400K/year in driving trucks - it is very likely that the trucks are driven to a spot and parked for a period of time - I know that this is how are largest dental vans are done. The trucks are moved after 3-4 months in an area. I'd also hazard a guess that the costs are NOT covered by the university (despite them bragging about it) but covered by industrial sponsors.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 4, 2015 18:48:06 GMT -5
if you were going to major in science would you want to go to a school that hadn't updated their science labs in 40 years? No. But, I think that investing the $1.4 million a year in upgrades to on campus laboratory facilities and recruiting the best faculty in the country would be a much better investment, and a much more effective way to recruit students into science programs. After all, having fancy mobile science labs that are used only for recruiting and having dumps for labs on campus wouldn't be a very good idea. Now, if the taxpayers in your state have so much money that they can't figure out how to spend it, then, just maybe, millions of dollars worth of mobile science labs to carry your name on their side might make some sense. $1.4 million wouldn't come close to upgrading a campus laboratory. I know that the building where my lab was had a renovation when we moved into it and renovating a SINGLE lab ran about $600K. If you consider that many campuses are sadly lacking space ON campus, the mobile science labs allow them to move it to a site off campus (and maybe closer to the object that's being studied??) where they can take advantage of other property that the campus owns and now has temporary buildings on. I can't remember how many BILLION $$$ that our building was going to cost. I think that the lab building I worked in (which was built in the 1960s) was slated for replacement in 2017.
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Post by tskeeter on Mar 4, 2015 20:20:38 GMT -5
Part of the cost is the result of the interesting ways that academic insitiutions can dream up to spend money. My Alma Mater was bragging about the completion of building out a mobile science lab in a semi trailer. At at cost of $750K. This was to be the first of four such units. So, $3,000,000. And that's before operating costs and maintenance. About another $400,000 a year in driver compensation and benefits and truck operating and maintenance costs. Plus the science types. At least another $400,000 a year in compensation and benefits. So, if the equipment lasts for five years (the IRS lets you depreciate vehicles over an expected useful life of four years), the annual operating cost and 20% of the depreciation would total $1,400,000 a year. 100% of the tuition paid by 82 students every single year would be required to support this one program. Now, why does a state university need $3,000,000 worth of mobile science labs? To promote the university, of course. Otherwise, nobody in the state would realize that branch of the state university system teaches science classes? Maybe the same reason why the university where I worked had millions of $$ tied up in mobile dental vans? While it does promote the university, it DOES also provide a service to the local community. I know our mobile dental clinics are now pushing about 12 years old, if not more. I seriously doubt $400K/year in driving trucks - it is very likely that the trucks are driven to a spot and parked for a period of time - I know that this is how are largest dental vans are done. The trucks are moved after 3-4 months in an area. I'd also hazard a guess that the costs are NOT covered by the university (despite them bragging about it) but covered by industrial sponsors. The impression the article in the alumni newsletter created was that this equipment would be moved from high school to high school every few days. It certainly didn't appear to be a situation where the equipment would sit for months at a time, as the program you are familiar with does. So, I estimated you'd be talking about four full time drivers to move the trucks from place to place and to operate ancillary equipment, such as electrical generators, refrigeration systems, and the like. With full time pay and benefits. So, you'd be talking about $40 - $50K in base pay per driver. Maybe more. I think I've been pretty conservative. What do over the road drivers earn these days? And you're talking about the state university system, so you're talking about full blown family health care, vacation, holidays, and pensions. So, close to 50% of base pay in benefits. Then you've got to fuel, service, repair damage, wash, insure and otherwise keep a fleet of four very expensive trucks in operation. I don't think that considering my car costs about $8K a year, assuming about $25K per year for a truck that gets about 3 miles per gallon is unreasonable. Then, for visits to rural schools, more than about 75 miles from the university, you'd have lodging and meals expenses to reimburse. For sake of convenience, I assumed those costs are buried in the other numbers somewhere. Covered by donors? Maybe to a minimal extent. But the information provided didn't recognize heavy funding or ongoing support from corporate donors to make the program work. I'd certainly think that the university would be stroking the egos of any major donors, private or corporate. So the absence of donor acknowledgement tells you where the funding is coming from.
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Post by tskeeter on Mar 4, 2015 20:21:53 GMT -5
Maybe the same reason why the university where I worked had millions of $$ tied up in mobile dental vans? While it does promote the university, it DOES also provide a service to the local community. I know our mobile dental clinics are now pushing about 12 years old, if not more. I seriously doubt $400K/year in driving trucks - it is very likely that the trucks are driven to a spot and parked for a period of time - I know that this is how are largest dental vans are done. The trucks are moved after 3-4 months in an area. I'd also hazard a guess that the costs are NOT covered by the university (despite them bragging about it) but covered by industrial sponsors. The impression the article in the alumni newsletter created was that this equipment would be moved from high school to high school every few days. It certainly didn't appear to be a situation where the equipment would sit for months at a time at one school as a portable classroom, as the program you are familiar with does. So, I estimated you'd be talking about four full time drivers to move the trucks from place to place and to operate ancillary equipment, such as electrical generators, refrigeration systems, and the like. With full time pay and benefits. So, you'd be talking about $40 - $50K in base pay per driver. Maybe more. I think I've been pretty conservative. What do over the road drivers earn these days? And you're talking about the state university system, so you're talking about full blown family health care, vacation, holidays, and pensions. So, close to 50% of base pay in benefits. Then you've got to fuel, service, repair damage, wash, insure and otherwise keep a fleet of four very expensive trucks in operation. I don't think that considering my car costs about $8K a year, assuming about $25K per year for a truck that gets about 3 miles per gallon is unreasonable. Then, for visits to rural schools, more than about 75 miles from the university, you'd have lodging and meals expenses to reimburse. For sake of convenience, I assumed those costs are buried in the other numbers somewhere. Covered by donors? Maybe to a minimal extent. But the information provided didn't recognize heavy funding or ongoing support from corporate donors to make the program work. I'd certainly think that the university would be stroking the egos of any major donors, private or corporate. So the absence of donor acknowledgement tells you where the funding is coming from.
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Post by tskeeter on Mar 4, 2015 20:46:23 GMT -5
No. But, I think that investing the $1.4 million a year in upgrades to on campus laboratory facilities and recruiting the best faculty in the country would be a much better investment, and a much more effective way to recruit students into science programs. After all, having fancy mobile science labs that are used only for recruiting and having dumps for labs on campus wouldn't be a very good idea. Now, if the taxpayers in your state have so much money that they can't figure out how to spend it, then, just maybe, millions of dollars worth of mobile science labs to carry your name on their side might make some sense. $1.4 million wouldn't come close to upgrading a campus laboratory. I know that the building where my lab was had a renovation when we moved into it and renovating a SINGLE lab ran about $600K. If you consider that many campuses are sadly lacking space ON campus, the mobile science labs allow them to move it to a site off campus (and maybe closer to the object that's being studied??) where they can take advantage of other property that the campus owns and now has temporary buildings on. I can't remember how many BILLION $$$ that our building was going to cost. I think that the lab building I worked in (which was built in the 1960s) was slated for replacement in 2017. Gee, looks to me that $1.4 million a year could upgrade two on campus laboratories every year. With a little bit left over. Over several years, you could upgrade quite a few labs. $7 million over five years won't build a new science building, but it would go a long way toward maintaining and upgrading existing lab facilities. Or, it could provide nearly 100 kids with a totally free college education. When you talk about the cost to build new buildings, you've got to keep in mind that I told readers that these expensive trucks were not mobile labs for student or research use. These were student recruiting aids. Not instructional or research facilities. Nor were they portable facilities to substitute for construction of laboratory facilities at other university sites away from the main campus. By the way, if you're spending billions of dollars on one new building, either the bulding is really, really, really big or it's really, really, really fancy with lots, and lots, and lots of really exotic equipment. About 20 years ago I worked on the construction and equiping of a brand new 400,000 square foot manufacturing plant, office building, and boiler plant. The cost at that time was $100,000,000. Assuming a very cushy 5% inflation rate, that plant would now cost about $265,000,000 to build. I'm pretty sure that labs might cost more per square foot to build than manufacturing plants. But, I'm thinking you might mean hundreds of million of dollars for a new lab building, not multiple billions. However, if your new lab building includes something like a nuclear particle accelerator, billions of dollars might not be out of line.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 20:54:08 GMT -5
so CUNY for 2 years is $17K a year and then SUNY for 2 years is $20K a year so $74k total if you finish in 4 years, and that's for in state. please explain how an 18-21 year old is supposed to make that kind of money. that also doesn't include books. SUNY tuition alone is around $6100/year for undergraduate, in state tuition, the rest is living expenses. This is why I kind of hope DS just decides to stay local and live at home at least for the first couple years. Even with no grants we could easily handle tuition and books.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 4, 2015 21:51:57 GMT -5
Oh, and to throw my two cents in regarding college costs. I just enrolled in the local community college yesterday. Finally going back to finish my degree. No idea what it costs. Fairly cheap. Community college is one of the few bargains in California, and most all the credits transfer directly to the local CSU/UC schools. You guys are paying for me to go back to school through the GI Bill. You're also giving me around $3k a month in housing allowance while I'm a student. Thank you, I wouldn't be able to do it without your tax money! Dark, that's wonderful news! I'm so glad you've made this decision! For the record, I don't mind you benefiting from my tax dollars one little bit!
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