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Post by wyouser on Feb 19, 2015 11:12:31 GMT -5
Does anybody know...when you go to hell...do they make you eat fish there
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Post by giramomma on Feb 19, 2015 11:33:08 GMT -5
Rather than give things up for lent, I try to do something a little extra.
In our bulletin, they want folks to provide desert for meals served at homeless shelters..
I was all like "I can make brownies with the girls during lent."
But, if I make brownies...there's the chocolate issue...
The road to hell is really paved with good intentions.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 19, 2015 11:35:45 GMT -5
Does anybody know...when you go to hell...do they make you eat fish there Week old and not fileted.
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Post by wyouser on Feb 19, 2015 11:37:34 GMT -5
Does anybody know...when you go to hell...do they make you eat fish there Week old and not fileted. Well, that is still better than "lutefisk"
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 19, 2015 11:38:01 GMT -5
Rather than give things up for lent, I try to do something a little extra. In our bulletin, they want folks to provide desert for meals served at homeless shelters.. I was all like "I can make brownies with the girls during lent." But, if I make brownies...there's the chocolate issue... The road to hell is really paved with good intentions dark chocolate. Fixed.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 19, 2015 11:49:09 GMT -5
Eh, a quick trip to the Confessional and a handful of Hail Mary's and Our Father's and you're back sitting at God's Table when the end comes. I hear they even have group 'confession' - where the congregation present goes thru some ceremony, repeats a few key phrases, spends a moment of silence tallying up their sins, and the Priest absolves everyone's sins... a few more prayers are said to 'make it stick' and then Mass starts and All is Right with the World. Sorry, I don't mean to be offensive - I grew up Catholic (but without any belief in God - ever). I tend to view Catholicism from the comedic side Think Dogma or Lamb's The Gospel According to Biff. (homourous but yet with some respect for the subject matter...) So, I'm going to Hell needless to say....with some caveats - if I have a soul AND if there is a hell. I'm an atheist.
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Post by shanendoah on Feb 19, 2015 11:59:15 GMT -5
Yesterday was our quarterly "Coffee with the Dean". There were ham and cheese croissants, and there was bacon. I had both. And they were GOOD.
I'd say I'm not worried about going to hell because I'm an atheist so I don't believe in hell, but that's not quite true. My decision to be an atheist was more of a decision to stop caring or even thinking about what might happen in an "afterlife" (if there even is one) and instead to concentrate on making this life and this world the best I could.
I figure a God that would send you to hell for eating meat on the wrong day isn't really one I want to spend eternity with anyway.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 19, 2015 12:08:45 GMT -5
Don'ch'all worry. I'll save your seats at the cool kids' tables in the nether regions. I'm Jewish, so the whole Lent thing is over my head. But can I sit with you anyway? Passover (4/3-4/11) and Easter (4/5) are the same time this year. So if I eat chocolate-covered matzoh, does that take care of both holidays? Of course! There's not going to be any discrimination at the cool kids' tables!
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Post by Opti on Feb 19, 2015 12:13:11 GMT -5
Yesterday was our quarterly "Coffee with the Dean". There were ham and cheese croissants, and there was bacon. I had both. And they were GOOD.
I'd say I'm not worried about going to hell because I'm an atheist so I don't believe in hell, but that's not quite true. My decision to be an atheist was more of a decision to stop caring or even thinking about what might happen in an "afterlife" (if there even is one) and instead to concentrate on making this life and this world the best I could.
I figure a God that would send you to hell for eating meat on the wrong day isn't really one I want to spend eternity with anyway. It is not a God thing, it is a church thing.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 19, 2015 12:24:43 GMT -5
I figure a God that would send you to hell for eating meat on the wrong day isn't really one I want to spend eternity with anyway. Yes, to me Lent seems to be more about being more mindful/introspection/reconnecting with being 'compassionate' than about what you eat and when you eat it. And for the True Believers I know would agree with this. The various Lenten traditions (rules they follow) they observe are just ways to get to/facilitate that mindfullness/introspection/compassion for others.
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Post by shanendoah on Feb 19, 2015 12:52:59 GMT -5
Please understand, I know a number of people of great faith and I have complete respect for their views, even if I don't subscribe to the same views. Also know that I came to my personal beliefs from a place of personal experience, academic knowledge, and love. I studied religion and honestly, understand religion better than a number of people I have met who claim to be religious. I was not trying to disparage anyone's beliefs.
However, what I find absolutely fascinating is that the OP said she was going to hell for eating meat on the wrong day. Others agreed with her and made jokes. I agreed and made the comment, also meant in good fun, that I wouldn't want to be with a God that actually cared about that anyway. Instantly, Opti and Tiny (both of whom I have positive associations with) instantly leaped to the defense of God/Religion. In my mind, the responses to my comment should have been the responses to the OP, to assure the person who believes that this isn't really a God thing, but a church thing; that it isn't about what/when you eat, but about the lessons the traditions impart.
Why is it that it's funny if she says she's going to hell for something we all admit is pretty ridiculous, but somehow an attack from me to say what every other poster was saying, just in a blunter format. Because we all pretty much seem to agree that we wouldn't want to spend an eternity with a God who cared about what/when we ate.
Or is this one of those places that people who are part of the group get to poke fun, but those of us who are professed outsiders aren't allowed to?
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 19, 2015 12:56:22 GMT -5
Please understand, I know a number of people of great faith and I have complete respect for their views, even if I don't subscribe to the same views. Also know that I came to my personal beliefs from a place of personal experience, academic knowledge, and love. I studied religion and honestly, understand religion better than a number of people I have met who claim to be religious. I was not trying to disparage anyone's beliefs.
However, what I find absolutely fascinating is that the OP said she was going to hell for eating meat on the wrong day. Others agreed with her and made jokes. I agreed and made the comment, also meant in good fun, that I wouldn't want to be with a God that actually cared about that anyway. Instantly, Opti and Tiny (both of whom I have positive associations with) instantly leaped to the defense of God/Religion. In my mind, the responses to my comment should have been the responses to the OP, to assure the person who believes that this isn't really a God thing, but a church thing; that it isn't about what/when you eat, but about the lessons the traditions impart.
Why is it that it's funny if she says she's going to hell for something we all admit is pretty ridiculous, but somehow an attack from me to say what every other poster was saying, just in a blunter format. Because we all pretty much seem to agree that we wouldn't want to spend an eternity with a God who cared about what/when we ate.
Or is this one of those places that people who are part of the group get to poke fun, but those of us who are professed outsiders aren't allowed to? maybe God made them do it.
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Post by Opti on Feb 19, 2015 13:01:45 GMT -5
Please understand, I know a number of people of great faith and I have complete respect for their views, even if I don't subscribe to the same views. Also know that I came to my personal beliefs from a place of personal experience, academic knowledge, and love. I studied religion and honestly, understand religion better than a number of people I have met who claim to be religious. I was not trying to disparage anyone's beliefs.
However, what I find absolutely fascinating is that the OP said she was going to hell for eating meat on the wrong day. Others agreed with her and made jokes. I agreed and made the comment, also meant in good fun, that I wouldn't want to be with a God that actually cared about that anyway. Instantly, Opti and Tiny (both of whom I have positive associations with) instantly leaped to the defense of God/Religion. In my mind, the responses to my comment should have been the responses to the OP, to assure the person who believes that this isn't really a God thing, but a church thing; that it isn't about what/when you eat, but about the lessons the traditions impart.
Why is it that it's funny if she says she's going to hell for something we all admit is pretty ridiculous, but somehow an attack from me to say what every other poster was saying, just in a blunter format. Because we all pretty much seem to agree that we wouldn't want to spend an eternity with a God who cared about what/when we ate.
Or is this one of those places that people who are part of the group get to poke fun, but those of us who are professed outsiders aren't allowed to? Sorry if I offended you. From the start of the thread I felt like pointing out Lent and its 'rules" are not scriptural but made up by the various churches, Popes, etc.
I didn't think of it as a defense of religion, more like pointing out eating meat or whatever is highly unlikely to get you to hell. Everyone gets to poke fun. I just like because I can't always tell from someone's posting whether they are kidding, exaggerating or being serious.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Feb 19, 2015 13:04:33 GMT -5
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Post by snapdragon on Feb 19, 2015 13:07:52 GMT -5
I'm sure we can carve out a lovely view at the Lake of Fire.
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Post by wyouser on Feb 19, 2015 13:08:41 GMT -5
Are snow leopards required to eat fish for Lent?? Do snow leopards even go to hell? Or...are they among those creatures who "send" folks to hell?
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Post by Peace77 on Feb 19, 2015 13:43:50 GMT -5
Don'ch'all worry. I'll save your seats at the cool kids' tables in the nether regions. I'm Jewish, so the whole Lent thing is over my head. But can I sit with you anyway? Passover (4/3-4/11) and Easter (4/5) are the same time this year. So if I eat chocolate-covered matzoh, does that take care of both holidays? Sure! Drink some wine with it and you have take care of all of the holidays. -wine-P
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 13:50:35 GMT -5
The meat thing is supposed to be about sacrifice. I suppose back in the day it was a big thing, but I have to laugh when I see people going out for lobster on Fridays because it's lent.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Feb 19, 2015 14:03:16 GMT -5
I'm Jewish, so the whole Lent thing is over my head. But can I sit with you anyway? Passover (4/3-4/11) and Easter (4/5) are the same time this year. So if I eat chocolate-covered matzoh, does that take care of both holidays? Sure! Drink some wine with it and you have take care of all of the holidays. -wine-P OK, as long as it can be the good stuff. Not that rotgut Manischewitz crap from the old days. Sheesh, four cups of that during Passover, and you'd slide under Grandma's table before the brisket and latkes were served. We were given that stuff as kids because grownups assumed it was 1) necessary and 2) harmless. A gateway drug blessed by a rabbi, that's Concord Grape, I tell ya! Way too sweet and a relatively low alcohol content made it the perfect introductory beverage.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 19, 2015 15:14:31 GMT -5
I agreed and made the comment, also meant in good fun, that I wouldn't want to be with a God that actually cared about that anyway. Instantly, Opti and Tiny (both of whom I have positive associations with) instantly leaped to the defense of God/Religion. In my mind, the responses to my comment should have been the responses to the OP, to assure the person who believes that this isn't really a God thing, but a church thing; that it isn't about what/when you eat, but about the lessons the traditions impart.
Why is it that it's funny if she says she's going to hell for something we all admit is pretty ridiculous, but somehow an attack from me to say what every other poster was saying, just in a blunter format. Because we all pretty much seem to agree that we wouldn't want to spend an eternity with a God who cared about what/when we ate. I did not intend my comment as an "attack" nor did I intend it as a defense of God/Religion. If anything this thread made me smile and, for me, was a little mental nudge that Spring is on the way. Sorry, I added a fly in the ointment to this thread.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Feb 19, 2015 15:17:32 GMT -5
You're all jumping the gun here. Eating meat when you should be abstaining just gets you a few centuries in Purgatory.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 19, 2015 15:30:09 GMT -5
You're all jumping the gun here. Eating meat when you should be abstaining just gets you a few centuries in Purgatory. Way ahead of you! I'm a vegetarian.
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Post by CarolinaKat on Feb 19, 2015 15:35:32 GMT -5
I put this on the Joke thread but somehow I think this one is appropriate too:
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 19, 2015 15:54:17 GMT -5
So (and with so no one takes this the wrong way) if you die in the middle of a blizzard in one of those eternally cold places (think Chicago, Boston, etc in the middle of winter) will you get send to hell if you haven't been good just to make sure you don't get rewarded by warming up? I have spent quite a lot of time looking at pictures of all those really cold places the last few weeks and now I'm wondering...
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 19, 2015 16:00:58 GMT -5
Folks, let's be careful with this thread, please. I'm not fussing at anyone and not picking out anyone in particular. I just see potential for hurtful words and stricken sensibilities here. Think well before you post. Be sure you're not making light of someone's spiritual beliefs to a point that it might be hurtful. Also, please don't indulge in dissing another person's beliefs. So far, it's remained pretty reasonable. This post is mostly a reminder, really. I'm a worrier. What can I say? mmhmm, Administrator
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Post by shanendoah on Feb 19, 2015 16:29:24 GMT -5
I need to start with an apology to Opti and Tiny (and tagging mmhmm as admin so she sees this) - "attacking" was absolutely the wrong word choice on my part. I chose it because I couldn't think of a better word, but it was NOT the right word. I did NOT feel attacked.
I honestly was fascinated (in the way that human behavior fascinates me) by the fact that my comment elicited those responses, or should I say that those responses were specifically tied to my comment (through the use of quoting), when similar comments had not previously been made. And beyond that, I shouldn't have said anything.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Feb 19, 2015 16:35:47 GMT -5
Sorry, all,
My OP was meant to be a little tongue in cheek. I don't mean to offend strict adherents to Lenten practices, but I was trying to say that sometimes the life God/Karma/Fate/the Flying Spagetti Monster/the Cosmos/whatever hands you gets in the way of otherwise good intentions.
In terms of my own beliefs, I tend to fall somewhere along a mix of the Golden Rule and "religion is the opiate of the masses" especially when it comes to the notion that minor slip ups in one's faith practices could cost you eternity. So Shanen, we are more alike in our beliefs than different. I like that my faith give me a reference point for life, but since God also gave me a ready sense of humor and a keen sense of the absurd among my many gifts, I sometimes come off a little more vulnerable than I really am. I also find comfort in the rituals of the Catholic faith. One can go to Mass anywhere in the world and be able to participate. In this crazy world we live in, it's reassuring to have some things that stay familiar (although the changes in the responses during Mass a few years ago really messed with that a bit, LOL).
Besides, if I am wrong in my belief that it is the Big Picture/Long Haul that matters more than any one misstep, then at least I'll have a ton of fun people with me in Hell. So, my post was mostly a recording of how crazy my life is at the moment and how I've lost track of the date. I used humor to shrug it off -- poorly crafted humor, and maybe ill-conceived, but I'm a firm believer in the power of humor to ease the sharp curves in the journey that is life. I apologize for striking chords or offending anyone.
P.S.: Apparently, according to the Vatican, Purgatory no longer exists (and there are some Catholic scholars who say it never did). Too bad--I have ALWAYS been comforted by the idea of Purgatory. Heck, I was even raised to offer pain/discomfort/inconvenience/ disappointment up for the souls in Purgartory! So much wasted sacrifice!! ;-)
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 19, 2015 16:42:56 GMT -5
Sorry, all, My OP was meant to be a little tongue in cheek. I don't mean to offend strict adherents to Lenten practices, but I was trying to say that sometimes the life God/Karma/Fate/the Flying Spagetti Monster/the Cosmos/whatever hands you gets in the way of otherwise good intentions. In terms of my own beliefs, I tend to fall somewhere along a mix of the Golden Rule and "religion is the opiate of the masses" especially when it comes to the notion that minor slip ups in one's faith practices could cost you eternity. So Shanen, we are more alike in our beliefs than different. I like that my faith give me a reference point for life, but since God also gave me a ready sense of humor and a keen sense of the absurd among my many gifts, I sometimes come off a little more vulnerable than I really am. I also find comfort in the rituals of the Catholic faith. One can go to Mass anywhere in the world and be able to participate. In this crazy world we live in, it's reassuring to have some things that stay familiar (although the changes in the responses during Mass a few years ago really messed with that a bit, LOL). Besides, if I am wrong in my belief that it is the Big Picture/Long Haul that matters more than any one misstep, then at least I'll have a ton of fun people with me in Hell. So, my post was mostly a recording of how crazy my life is at the moment and how I've lost track of the date. I used humor to shrug it off -- poorly crafted humor, and maybe ill-conceived, but I'm a firm believer in the power of humor to ease the sharp curves in the journey that is life. I apologize for striking chords or offending anyone. P.S.: Apparently, according to the Vatican, Purgatory no longer exists (and there are some Catholic scholars who say it never did). Too bad--I have ALWAYS been comforted by the idea of Purgatory. Heck, I was even raised to offer pain/discomfort/inconvenience/ disappointment up for the souls in Purgartory! So much wasted sacrifice!! ;-) I thought that was Limbo. Just as well...you can get really hurt trying to shimmy under that pole.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 19, 2015 16:45:33 GMT -5
You're all jumping the gun here. Eating meat when you should be abstaining just gets you a few centuries in Purgatory. Or nosebleed seats in heaven.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Feb 19, 2015 16:55:40 GMT -5
I hope I get to meet the Flying Spaghetti Monster. After all this time of watching my carbs, I think the little bugger owes me an eternally full plate of pasta at the heavenly all-you-can-eat buffet.
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