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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 14, 2015 14:34:22 GMT -5
Good investigating by Canadian and Illinois police.  |
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 14, 2015 14:49:07 GMT -5
What the hell is wrong with people? They were planning to open fire at the Halifax shopping centre. |
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Post by tallguy on Feb 14, 2015 15:05:12 GMT -5
Just more proof (if anyone remains yet unconvinced) that the world is a lot safer if everybody can have guns.  |
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Post by mroped on Feb 14, 2015 15:14:07 GMT -5
having acces to information and events all arround the world in an instance is absolutely useful and great.
Having it at your fingertips materialized in the size and shape of a litle notebook is even better!
The problem arises when every single litle a-hole in the possession of such device fancies himself/herself as a "news producer" or even worse, creator. If nothing interesting happens arround then what the hell we can produce something interesting. That way we get our shot at the "5 seconds of fame" that everyone craves and wants.
Need I remind you that we live in a day and age when a person like Justin Bieber or Lil' Wayne are celebrities?
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 14, 2015 15:19:14 GMT -5
Just more proof (if anyone remains yet unconvinced) that the world is a lot safer if everybody can have guns. Sure. EVERYONE opening fire at the Halifax Mall is a really good idea. What can possibly go wrong?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 14, 2015 15:34:01 GMT -5
... A 19-year-old ... man and a 23-year-old woman ... Wonder who will get pegged with mastermind status and how sentencing will play out if both convicted. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 14, 2015 15:39:32 GMT -5
having acces to information and events all arround the world in an instance is absolutely useful and great. Having it at your fingertips materialized in the size and shape of a litle notebook is even better! The problem arises when every single litle a-hole in the possession of such device fancies himself/herself as a "news producer" or even worse, creator. If nothing interesting happens arround then what the hell we can produce something interesting. That way we get our shot at the "5 seconds of fame" that everyone craves and wants. Need I remind you that we live in a day and age when a person like Justin Bieber or Lil' Wayne are celebrities? Justin Bieber? How about people like Palin and Nugent? Bieber supports gun control and I'm pretty sure he never advocated killing anyone.
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Post by mroped on Feb 14, 2015 15:53:21 GMT -5
My point was on how ANYBODY can become a celebrity!  Nugent and Palin were thrusted into fame by politics where aparently nothing is required. Not even common sens anymore! |
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 14, 2015 16:28:39 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 14, 2015 16:31:03 GMT -5
... A 19-year-old ... man and a 23-year-old woman ... Wonder who will get pegged with mastermind status and how sentencing will play out if both convicted. The 19-year-old sentenced himself to the death penalty. He did himself in. |
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Post by Jaguar on Feb 14, 2015 17:32:16 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 14, 2015 17:44:33 GMT -5
Sweet: “We do not wish to give these individuals further notoriety so will not be referring to their names again,” reads a release issued on Saturday around 1:40 p.m. (from link in 11) |
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 14, 2015 23:22:25 GMT -5
But I thought that Canada had all kinds of gun laws??
It's impossible that someone did not conform to the law.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Feb 14, 2015 23:35:14 GMT -5
Just more proof (if anyone remains yet unconvinced) that the world is a lot safer if everybody can have guns. 
But maybe it's time for the US of A to have tighter restrictions on owning firearms - and more hoops to jump through and background checks like we do here in order to purchase & register a gun or rifle.
DH had weapons, as did I - for competition target shooting.
If they were already in Canada, I'm surprised they were able to get through Customs carrying firearms - unless they were transported by land - and very well concealed/hidden. |
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Post by tallguy on Feb 14, 2015 23:45:09 GMT -5
Either that or she was following along with it. Hard to tell. |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 15, 2015 11:18:09 GMT -5
Just more proof (if anyone remains yet unconvinced) that the world is a lot safer if everybody can have guns.
But maybe it's time for the US of A to have tighter restrictions on owning firearms - and more hoops to jump through and background checks like we do here in order to purchase & register a gun or rifle.
DH had weapons, as did I - for competition target shooting.
If they were already in Canada, I'm surprised they were able to get through Customs carrying firearms - unless they were transported by land - and very well concealed/hidden. I was wondering about firearm access. The woman was in IL, one if the most restrictive states in the US and is impossible to get legally. The guys were in Canada....also very restrictive. Exactly how would more restriction work when they were already in place? |
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Post by mroped on Feb 15, 2015 11:25:22 GMT -5
An American citizen can cross the Canadian border with a hunting rifle on the pretext of ...going hunting! The amount of a ammo that one takes along for said hunt is irrelevant as in how much you want. The only condition is that your rifle has to be compliant with Canadian rules for hunting: no automatic rifles. That's prety much it. |
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 15, 2015 11:33:46 GMT -5
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But maybe it's time for the US of A to have tighter restrictions on owning firearms ... ... Exactly how would more restriction work when they were already in place? Making them nationwide would prevent someone just crossing state borders. This would make it more difficult for one to gain easy access then transport north also. Reducing easy access also makes it more likely that attention will be drawn to people attempting to gain weapons illegally for criminal purposes. |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 15, 2015 11:54:37 GMT -5
... Exactly how would more restriction work when they were already in place? Making them nationwide would prevent someone just crossing state borders. This would make it more difficult for one to gain easy access then transport north also. Reducing easy access also makes it more likely that attention will be drawn to people attempting to gain weapons illegally for criminal purposes. We cross the border into Canada regularly. I can't ever remember them NOT asking us if we are transporting firearms or ammo. Not only that, we have been pulled aside several times and had our cars searched (even with a Nexus ....or trusted traveler's card). As we go to the range regularly to shoot, when we go over the border we clear everything out of the car....including any stray shells. My point is that we legally own weapons and jump through a lot of hoops to own them. Those that don't, aren't getting them through legal means so increasing already some pretty stringent conditions is not going to have an impact on them. I'm guessing that none would have passed a background check had they tried, so they just circumvent it. |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 15, 2015 11:58:11 GMT -5
An American citizen can cross the Canadian border with a hunting rifle on the pretext of ...going hunting! The amount of a ammo that one takes along for said hunt is irrelevant as in how much you want. The only condition is that your rifle has to be compliant with Canadian rules for hunting: no automatic rifles. That's prety much it. Have you ever tried to cross a border on the pretext of hunting with a hunting rifle? I suspect that they want just a little more than your say so. www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/hunting/non_resident/#FirearmRegs |
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 15, 2015 12:02:27 GMT -5
... My point is that we legally own weapons and jump through a lot of hoops to own them. ... My point, which you did not addressed, is there are areas of the United States in which the hoops are much less significant than in others. |
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Post by mroped on Feb 15, 2015 12:05:40 GMT -5
Yeah, they need proof that you are in fact going hunting somewhere, clean criminal record and a clean weapon.
that's nothing!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 15, 2015 12:10:28 GMT -5
... My point is that we legally own weapons and jump through a lot of hoops to own them. ... My point, which you did not addressed, is there are areas of the United States in which the hoops are much less significant than in others. You still have to pass a background check to buy a gun legally in the US, regardless of which state you buy it in. Other states require safety classes too. |
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... My point is that we legally own weapons and jump through a lot of hoops to own them. ... My point, which you did not addressed, is there are areas of the United States in which the hoops are much less significant than in others. Where I live, it's a matter of filling out some papers, giving them 15 or so minutes to run a background check and when it comes back clean, paying and walking out the door with the gun. I won't argue against having more hoops to jump through to legally purchase and own a gun. But I don't think it will necessarily keep guns out of the hands of people we don't want to have them. There's too many guns out there already. People buy, sell, and steal them from each other all the time. |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 15, 2015 13:13:51 GMT -5
My point, which you did not addressed, is there are areas of the United States in which the hoops are much less significant than in others. Where I live, it's a matter of filling out some papers, giving them 15 or so minutes to run a background check and when it comes back clean, paying and walking out the door with the gun. I won't argue against having more hoops to jump through to legally purchase and own a gun. But I don't think it will necessarily keep guns out of the hands of people we don't want to have them. There's too many guns out there already. People buy, sell, and steal them from each other all the time. There is a 3 day holding period for handguns in WA....unless you have a CWP. Not sure about long guns. |
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 15, 2015 13:14:07 GMT -5
My point, which you did not addressed, is there are areas of the United States in which the hoops are much less significant than in others. You still have to pass a background check to buy a gun legally in the US, regardless of which state you buy it in. Other states require safety classes too. Only if you buy from a dealer- you can still legally buy them person to person via internet and at the gun shows in some states- and the NRA is actively trying to dial back the laws that are trying to stop it- od of course their GOP reps. in congress.
Just the other day:
SANTA FE >> A bill to require background checks on buyers at gun shows died a fast death Saturday night. Members of the Regulatory and Public Affairs Committee voted 4-3 to table the bill, meaning it won't move forward. All the Republicans opposed the bill, and all the Democrats supported it. Gun owners, sheriffs, a promoter of gun shows and a University of New Mexico football player were among those who testified against the bill. They said it would weaken the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and open the door to gun registries.
www.demingheadlight.com/deming-news/ci_27490839/bill-calling-background-checks-gun-show-buyers-died
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 15, 2015 14:48:47 GMT -5
If you buy over the Internet, the gun needs to be sent to a FL dealer. You can't send them through the mail otherwise. He does a background check.
When my dad gave one of his guns to TD, even though it was not purchased, it had to be sent to this intermediary and he couldn't release it without a background check....or checking TD's CWP status.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 15, 2015 15:11:22 GMT -5
If you buy over the Internet, the gun needs to be sent to a FL dealer. You can't send them through the mail otherwise. He does a background check. When my dad gave one of his guns to TD, even though it was not purchased, it had to be sent to this intermediary and he couldn't release it without a background check....or checking TD's CWP status. Why the hell Florida? Wait, it is FFL - Federal Firearms License dealer. |
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