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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 8:19:29 GMT -5
I was responding to the idea that women didn't used to be given much credit for pregnancy. I think they actually were at least in some time periods.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Feb 11, 2015 9:25:25 GMT -5
Doubtful. Which places would those be? Specifically, I watched a documentary that pointed out it wasn't uncommon in the slums of Nairobi and Mombasa. Anthropologists have documented entire cultures among the Oceana islanders and the Australian aborigines that weren't fully aware of the relationship. Gulp. I don't doubt what Virgil is saying. I mean, animals also eat, breathe, wander around, poop and pee -- without specific biological knowledge about reproduction, humans could just as easily (and mistakenly) attribute animal reproduction to any one of these other activities...or to nothing at all, especially since the gestational period inserts such a relatively long stretch of time between sex and birth. But, again, I AM sad that these women didn't learn anything accurate from the answers they got. The cycle of ignorance will no doubt continue.
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Post by 973beachbum on Feb 11, 2015 10:54:19 GMT -5
Specifically, I watched a documentary that pointed out it wasn't uncommon in the slums of Nairobi and Mombasa. Anthropologists have documented entire cultures among the Oceana islanders and the Australian aborigines that weren't fully aware of the relationship. Gulp. I don't doubt what Virgil is saying. I mean, animals also eat, breathe, wander around, poop and pee -- without specific biological knowledge about reproduction, humans could just as easily (and mistakenly) attribute animal reproduction to any one of these other activities...or to nothing at all, especially since the gestational period inserts such a relatively long stretch of time between sex and birth. But, again, I AM sad that these women didn't learn anything accurate from the answers they got. The cycle of ignorance will no doubt continue. Just for the record my mom learned where babies came from after getting pregnant. She also thought she was going to die when she got her first period. So not always third world countries although with my mom it was a while ago. I have fielded questions from adults who dont seem to have a low IQ or everyday work intelligence that to a health care person might seem scary dumb. But if no one ever told you something specifically, like yes you can be pregnant and get your period, how the heck would they know? General things are great and even technical things like DNA but most people get too much of that and not enough nuts and bolts.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 11, 2015 10:56:48 GMT -5
General things are great and even technical things like DNA but most people get too much of that and not enough nuts and bolts.
You'd think common sense would tell you a human can't have a horse baby, but then you'd think common sense would tell you not to have sex with a horse in the first place. That was #13 on the list.
God I hope that one was a troll.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 11, 2015 10:59:07 GMT -5
I think there use to be a theory that women didn't contribute much to a pregnancy (other than to bear the baby) the man implanted a tiny homunculus in her womb
You're correct. Scientists even went so far as to claim they had seen the homunculus embedded in sperm under the microscope. It was the lack of understanding/technology combined with heavily biased culture norms that lead to the continued affirmation that this was how conception worked.
Take a developmental biology class sometimes, there have been some odd ball theories on conception over the course of time.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 11, 2015 11:19:29 GMT -5
General things are great and even technical things like DNA but most people get too much of that and not enough nuts and bolts.
You'd think common sense would tell you a human can't have a horse baby, but then you'd think common sense would tell you not to have sex with a horse in the first place. That was #13 on the list.
God I hope that one was a troll.
I'm curious as to how one would get a horse to comply. They're big, strong animals with hooves -- I'd hate to aggravate one.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 11, 2015 11:22:26 GMT -5
General things are great and even technical things like DNA but most people get too much of that and not enough nuts and bolts.
You'd think common sense would tell you a human can't have a horse baby, but then you'd think common sense would tell you not to have sex with a horse in the first place. That was #13 on the list.
God I hope that one was a troll.
I'm curious as to how one would get a horse to comply. They're big, strong animals with hooves -- I'd hate to aggravate one. Me too. So many questions stem from that one post. I totally forgot the original question.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 11, 2015 11:25:58 GMT -5
General things are great and even technical things like DNA but most people get too much of that and not enough nuts and bolts.
You'd think common sense would tell you a human can't have a horse baby, but then you'd think common sense would tell you not to have sex with a horse in the first place. That was #13 on the list.
God I hope that one was a troll.
I'm curious as to how one would get a horse to comply. They're big, strong animals with hooves -- I'd hate to aggravate one. That was one of the rumors about Catherine the Great of Russia - that she has sex with horses. There were LOTS of rumors about her though. We covered a few of them in a Russian History class I had in High School.
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Post by 973beachbum on Feb 11, 2015 12:26:13 GMT -5
General things are great and even technical things like DNA but most people get too much of that and not enough nuts and bolts.
You'd think common sense would tell you a human can't have a horse baby, but then you'd think common sense would tell you not to have sex with a horse in the first place. That was #13 on the list.
God I hope that one was a troll.
Great I didn't read that one and now I need a bucket of brain bleach to get it out of my head.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 11, 2015 12:29:53 GMT -5
now I need a bucket of brain bleach to get it out of my head
Nope nope you're stuck with the rest of us trying to figure out exactly what happened to result in said question being asked.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 11, 2015 12:41:46 GMT -5
General things are great and even technical things like DNA but most people get too much of that and not enough nuts and bolts.
You'd think common sense would tell you a human can't have a horse baby, but then you'd think common sense would tell you not to have sex with a horse in the first place. That was #13 on the list.
God I hope that one was a troll.
But, if you live in an area with limited exposure to other people - and your area is 'tightly knit' meaning every one looks the same, talks the same, thinks the same... it's ripe for superstitions. Sure, there might not have been any horse babies but once a long time ago - a shameful woman had a horse baby and she and her monsterous baby were driven from the village (or burned at the stake and her FAMILY was driven from the village). You wouldn't want that to happen to you or your family would you? That's why there are no horse babies in the village. Isn't it a bit like telling a kid that a woman swollowed a watermelon seed and that's why her belly is so big? Or any of the horrible disfiguring things that might happen if you masturbate? Or how you're face will get stuck a certain way if you keep making faces? (people with faces stuck in awful ways are too ashamed to show their face - that's why you NEVER see anyone with that affliction). Or how you are 'unclean' if you do certain things - but it's ok, there are rituals to clease away the 'sin' or whatever... It's a demon haunted world out there (thanks Carl Sagan).
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Post by Tiny on Feb 11, 2015 12:46:40 GMT -5
The Greek/ Roman gods (Zeus especially) liked to appear in animal form when a shapely young woman was around... I vaguelly remember stories of Zeus fathering children as a swan and a bull. Of course I think the Greeks/Romans were pretty sophisticated and recognized these stories as 'metaphor' rather than 'hard cold truth'.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 11, 2015 12:48:43 GMT -5
The Greek/ Roman gods (Zeus especially) liked to appear in animal form when a shapely young woman was around... I vaguelly remember Zeus being a swan and a bull? A shower of rain too. And Athena sprang fully grown/formed from his head. At least I think it was AThena.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 12:50:15 GMT -5
The Greek/ Roman gods (Zeus especially) liked to appear in animal form when a shapely young woman was around... I vaguelly remember stories of Zeus fathering children as a swan and a bull. Of course I think the Greeks/Romans were pretty sophisticated and recognized these stories as 'metaphor' rather than 'hard cold truth'. In my house, Zeus is the only male cat with his fan club of 3 females. Me and his adoring sisters.
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Post by 973beachbum on Feb 11, 2015 12:58:01 GMT -5
General things are great and even technical things like DNA but most people get too much of that and not enough nuts and bolts.
You'd think common sense would tell you a human can't have a horse baby, but then you'd think common sense would tell you not to have sex with a horse in the first place. That was #13 on the list.
God I hope that one was a troll.
But, if you live in an area with limited exposure to other people - and your area is 'tightly knit' meaning every one looks the same, talks the same, thinks the same... it's ripe for superstitions. Sure, there might not have been any horse babies but once a long time ago - a shameful woman had a horse baby and she and her monsterous baby were driven from the village (or burned at the stake and her FAMILY was driven from the village). You wouldn't want that to happen to you or your family would you? That's why there are no horse babies in the village. Isn't it a bit like telling a kid that a woman swollowed a watermelon seed and that's why her belly is so big? Or any of the horrible disfiguring things that might happen if you masturbate? Or how you're face will get stuck a certain way if you keep making faces? (people with faces stuck in awful ways are too ashamed to show their face - that's why you NEVER see anyone with that affliction). Or how you are 'unclean' if you do certain things - but it's ok, there are rituals to clease away the 'sin' or whatever... It's a demon haunted world out there (thanks Carl Sagan). Anyone remember the Bones episode where the guy looked like a chicken man? I can imagine in a very closed society the talk not being about how to stop the exposure to the sulfer hdroxide stuff and about how if you do "something your not supposed to" you would end up looking like that.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 11, 2015 13:31:59 GMT -5
The Greek/ Roman gods (Zeus especially) liked to appear in animal form when a shapely young woman was around... I vaguelly remember stories of Zeus fathering children as a swan and a bull. Of course I think the Greeks/Romans were pretty sophisticated and recognized these stories as 'metaphor' rather than 'hard cold truth'. In my house, Zeus is the only male cat with his fan club of 3 females. Me and his adoring sisters. I love it! I will forever here after name my housecats after gods. As they are the gods of their house. I currently have Jupiter and LuLu (short for Cthulhu). The next set are gonna be Larry and Penny (Lares and Penates) I suggested naming my friends 3 female kittens after the Fates - so Sissy, Atty, and Cloe (Lachesis, Atropos, and Clotho) but, they weren't buying it.
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Post by teen persuasion on Feb 11, 2015 20:02:10 GMT -5
In my house, Zeus is the only male cat with his fan club of 3 females. Me and his adoring sisters. I love it! I will forever here after name my housecats after gods. As they are the gods of their house. I currently have Jupiter and LuLu (short for Cthulhu). The next set are gonna be Larry and Penny ( Lares and Penates) I suggested naming my friends 3 female kittens after the Fates - so Sissy, Atty, and Cloe (Lachesis, Atropos, and Clotho) but, they weren't buying it. Household gods - very apropos! (But aren't Lares/Penates plural words?)
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Post by MarleyKeezy78 on Feb 11, 2015 22:05:17 GMT -5
Isn't it a bit like telling a kid that a woman swollowed a watermelon seed and that's why her belly is so big? Or how you're face will get stuck a certain way if you keep making faces? (people with faces stuck in awful ways are too ashamed to show their face Lol, the watermelon seed one is so true!!! When I was about four the neighbor got pregnant and when I asked my mom how that happend she told me the neighbor swallowed a watermelon seed and while I questioned the validity of that, I was terrified of swallowing a watermelon seed for years The face thing I was told a lot but I always knew it was bullshit
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Post by msventoux on Feb 11, 2015 22:25:19 GMT -5
Pretty sure some of those questions could have been asked by some of the church kids when I was growing up. We had tons of animals at our house and it was so much fun when us kids were forced to entertain the pastor's kids. We took them out to show off all of the animals...the male horse was, um, airing out his equipment, and the ducks were always extremely randy and running around screwing each other and anything else that might move. Same for the rabbits. When asked, we told them they were making little ducks and rabbits. We told the girls they should probably ask their dad what was going on with the horse. They had lots of questions for their dad, the preacher, when we went back inside. Oddly enough they never came back to visit again.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 11, 2015 23:11:57 GMT -5
I've never understood the logic of parents shying away from talks about the birds and the bees at age-appropriate levels. Every book ever written on the subject points out that educating kids in a timely, forthright manner, teaching them what is and isn't appropriate, is the best way to ensure they make responsible decisions. It dispels myths, sets guidelines, and lets kids know that it's appropriate to ask questions.
I firmly believe that children shouldn't have anything to do with their parents sex lives, but parents that clam up, shut down, or leave their children in ignorance of sex and pregnancy are failing to fulfill an important parental duty. We're seeing the fruits of it here, to whatever extent these questions are real.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 23:34:06 GMT -5
In my house, Zeus is the only male cat with his fan club of 3 females. Me and his adoring sisters. I love it! I will forever here after name my housecats after gods. As they are the gods of their house. I currently have Jupiter and LuLu (short for Cthulhu). The next set are gonna be Larry and Penny (Lares and Penates) I suggested naming my friends 3 female kittens after the Fates - so Sissy, Atty, and Cloe (Lachesis, Atropos, and Clotho) but, they weren't buying it. I have Zeus and Hera and I had a guinea pig named Andromeda. She was named after the galaxy but no matter. I was thinking Persephone for the next female cat and Apollo for the next male but that is subject to change. I actually used Astronomy magazine to help me name them back when. Nerd that I am.
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Post by teen persuasion on Feb 12, 2015 0:07:47 GMT -5
I've never understood the logic of parents shying away from talks about the birds and the bees at age-appropriate levels. Every book ever written on the subject points out that educating kids in a timely, forthright manner, teaching them what is and isn't appropriate, is the best way to ensure they make responsible decisions. It dispels myths, sets guidelines, and lets kids know that it's appropriate to ask questions. I firmly believe that children shouldn't have anything to do with their parents sex lives, but parents that clam up, shut down, or leave their children in ignorance of sex and pregnancy are failing to fulfill an important parental duty. We're seeing the fruits of it here, to whatever extent these questions are real. I don't understand keeping kids ignorant, either. When my DD1 was in kindergarten I attended a PTA meeting, and one of the topics was the annual body change education movie for the 6th grade kids. A few mothers were there to object, they didn't want their daughters to learn this stuff, they were still "too young"! Some of the parents of HS kids pointed out that those daughters would be attending school and riding the bus with boys up to 18 yo in a few months (at the time the district ES went to 6th grade, and then they attended the Jr Sr HS). I had obviously already talked more with my 5yo on the subject than they thought their daughters knew. I was also amazed at how mature some of the 6th graders looked - girls that could be mistaken for adults, boys with full beards. These mothers had buried their heads in the sand.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 0:12:39 GMT -5
I read "Forever" by Judy Blume and "My Sweet Audrina" by VC Andrews. That and "Porky's", the movie, were the extent of my sex ed. I know more about the birds and the bees than I want to. I really know how much it hurts when you step on a bee with your bare feet. Mother F*. And I hate birds. They make too much noise when I wear my hearing aid.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Feb 12, 2015 15:48:17 GMT -5
Don't click on link.....don't click on link........don't click on link
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 12, 2015 17:30:37 GMT -5
When I was an adolescent, sheep jokes were very popular. After hearing several that seemed "logical" I very tentatively asked my Dad if a man could have a child with a sheep. I'm surprised he didn't have a stroke but he did tell me "no" and that they were just jokes. I
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Post by kittensaver on Feb 12, 2015 17:39:59 GMT -5
Don't click on link.....don't click on link........don't click on link It's nothing pornographic. It's a Wikipedia link.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 12, 2015 17:44:50 GMT -5
When I was an adolescent, sheep jokes were very popular. After hearing several that seemed "logical" I very tentatively asked my Dad if a man could have a child with a sheep. I'm surprised he didn't have a stroke but he did tell me "no" and that they were just jokes. I I think the stroke would have followed if you'd inadvertently phrased the question in the first person.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 12, 2015 18:49:56 GMT -5
True. I always wondered if my Dad ever fathered a child on anyone else. He wasn't a virgin by any means when he married my mom.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Feb 13, 2015 15:25:55 GMT -5
Don't click on link.....don't click on link........don't click on link It's nothing pornographic. It's a Wikipedia link. Still don't want details.
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Post by imanangel on Feb 14, 2015 13:22:41 GMT -5
Isn't it a bit like telling a kid that a woman swollowed a watermelon seed and that's why her belly is so big? Or how you're face will get stuck a certain way if you keep making faces? (people with faces stuck in awful ways are too ashamed to show their face Lol, the watermelon seed one is so true!!! When I was about four the neighbor got pregnant and when I asked my mom how that happend she told me the neighbor swallowed a watermelon seed and while I questioned the validity of that, I was terrified of swallowing a watermelon seed for years The face thing I was told a lot but I always knew it was bullshit When I was little, I was told if a boy pinches your butt, you got pregnant. My mom got paid back for that one when I was in 1st grade. The school had to call her because I was crying hysterically in the office because a boy named Johnny pinched my butt and I was convinced I was pregnant!
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