How much will the ACA actually cost our Government?

[weltschmerz]

As an aside, this is hysterical! Talk about Karma biting you in the ass!

Richard Mack, former sheriff of Graham County, Arizona, who became better known as a virulent opponent of the national health care law known as “Obamacare,” is now begging for money from strangers online to pay medical bills for himself and his wife — because they refused to buy into an Obamacare health plan and as a result, have no insurance.

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Mack has now started an online GoFundMe campaign, soliciting cash from anyone willing to give him some, in order to pay his considerable health expenses.

www.inquisitr.com/1881557/richard-mack-obamacare/#DDsXTT6gvx31DsQm.99

[EVT1]

So much for 'personal responsibility'.  So doesn't this make him a panhandler with an internet connection?  Where are all of the attacks from the right against this moocher, this burden to society?  

I hope he goes bankrupt and loses his house like other people do because of our healthcare system.

[weltschmerz]

Feb 28, 2015 14:32:34 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

So much for 'personal responsibility'.  So doesn't this make him a panhandler with an internet connection?  Where are all of the attacks from the right against this moocher, this burden to society?  

I hope he goes bankrupt and loses his house like other people do because of our healthcare system.

Aint it something?

That's exactly what it makes him...a panhandler with an internet connection.

Too bad, so sad. Idiot.

[mmhmm]

Feb 28, 2015 13:30:41 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

As an aside, this is hysterical! Talk about Karma biting you in the ass!

Richard Mack, former sheriff of Graham County, Arizona, who became better known as a virulent opponent of the national health care law known as “Obamacare,” is now begging for money from strangers online to pay medical bills for himself and his wife — because they refused to buy into an Obamacare health plan and as a result, have no insurance.

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Mack has now started an online GoFundMe campaign, soliciting cash from anyone willing to give him some, in order to pay his considerable health expenses.

www.inquisitr.com/1881557/richard-mack-obamacare/#DDsXTT6gvx31DsQm.99

This guy sounds like just another waste of DNA. I'm sorry he and his wife are ill, and I'm sorry they're running up medical bills; however, it's his own fault for not maintaining some sort of insurance coverage. That, to me, is just plain stupid.

[EVT1]

He was they guy that said they would be putting women and children in front if the shooting started at the Bundy ranch- so yeah- waste of DNA.

[b2r]

[djAdvocate]

[EVT1]

I read that book. I read Rush's book too (See I told you so)- Xmas gift by my ultra-conservative relatives

I also read the other Franken book that he got sued over by FOX news .

[EVT1]

As a thought- Rush could not sue for defamation- as he is provably 1) Fat, 2) Big, 3)an idiot

I would love to litigate that one. 

[djAdvocate]

Feb 27, 2015 15:48:38 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Feb 26, 2015 21:50:27 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i am not sure why you think a "large number" will drop out.  care to elaborate?

The fact is, the lower tier income group could not afford the premiums, and the government guarenteed part, or in some terms most of the payment for them. This was the only way they could sign up in the first place. Nine of ten people have some form of subsidy. Law of averages makes it a conclusive fact, some will be forced out due to lack of payment, over the next few months.
How many states may have the federal subsidy declared illegal from the government, thereby making the recipients of the subsidy owe the back payments?

2. as people make more money, they have to pay more of the premium, thus leaving them in a potentially lower negative take home pay then the previous year.
There is also the fact of many actually making more money than they listed on the forms last year, thus implementing a penalty payment back to the Feds this year.
Gee, I wonder how many of these people were told to list the low income by the people peddling the policies, so they could afford the insurance in the first place?

here is where i am confused tho:

the problem you specify in #2 has been happening for over a decade.  people like to talk about how much better the income gains were under Bush than Obama, and that is TRUE.  however, what it overlooks is that healthcare inflation ate up something like 80% of those gains (the number might have been higher, i can't recall- but i know it was way over half).  this is why the ACA really has to tame inflation to work.  if it doesn't, you are precisely right, the increase in cost cannot be paid for through wage increases, which NECESSARILY have to be REAL increases.

this is WHY Obama is always harping about the FMW.  it would largely fix this issue for him.  giving the bottom 20% a 50% pay increase would totally crush this issue for him.  until it happens, however, it will be a problem for those that do not make $10/hr.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 28, 2015 13:30:41 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

As an aside, this is hysterical! Talk about Karma biting you in the ass!

Richard Mack, former sheriff of Graham County, Arizona, who became better known as a virulent opponent of the national health care law known as “Obamacare,” is now begging for money from strangers online to pay medical bills for himself and his wife — because they refused to buy into an Obamacare health plan and as a result, have no insurance.

**

Mack has now started an online GoFundMe campaign, soliciting cash from anyone willing to give him some, in order to pay his considerable health expenses.

www.inquisitr.com/1881557/richard-mack-obamacare/#DDsXTT6gvx31DsQm.99

i am noticing a pattern here.  even the queen of self reliance, Ayn Rand, ended up on Medicare.

[dondub]

She also collected Social Security.

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Mar 1, 2015 12:56:34 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 27, 2015 15:48:38 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

The fact is, the lower tier income group could not afford the premiums, and the government guarenteed part, or in some terms most of the payment for them. This was the only way they could sign up in the first place. Nine of ten people have some form of subsidy. Law of averages makes it a conclusive fact, some will be forced out due to lack of payment, over the next few months.
How many states may have the federal subsidy declared illegal from the government, thereby making the recipients of the subsidy owe the back payments?

2. as people make more money, they have to pay more of the premium, thus leaving them in a potentially lower negative take home pay then the previous year.
There is also the fact of many actually making more money than they listed on the forms last year, thus implementing a penalty payment back to the Feds this year.
Gee, I wonder how many of these people were told to list the low income by the people peddling the policies, so they could afford the insurance in the first place?

here is where i am confused tho:

the problem you specify in #2 has been happening for over a decade.  people like to talk about how much better the income gains were under Bush than Obama, and that is TRUE.  however, what it overlooks is that healthcare inflation ate up something like 80% of those gains (the number might have been higher, i can't recall- but i know it was way over half).  this is why the ACA really has to tame inflation to work.  if it doesn't, you are precisely right, the increase in cost cannot be paid for through wage increases, which NECESSARILY have to be REAL increases.

this is WHY Obama is always harping about the FMW.  it would largely fix this issue for him.  giving the bottom 20% a 50% pay increase would totally crush this issue for him.  until it happens, however, it will be a problem for those that do not make $10/hr.

I think you mean "it will be a problem for those that do not make $20/hr"...

$10 an hour is BARELY scraping by... without the niceties like healthcare (even with Obamacare). Trust me on this one. I make right at $10 an hour.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 1, 2015 20:05:05 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Mar 1, 2015 12:56:34 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

here is where i am confused tho:

the problem you specify in #2 has been happening for over a decade.  people like to talk about how much better the income gains were under Bush than Obama, and that is TRUE.  however, what it overlooks is that healthcare inflation ate up something like 80% of those gains (the number might have been higher, i can't recall- but i know it was way over half).  this is why the ACA really has to tame inflation to work.  if it doesn't, you are precisely right, the increase in cost cannot be paid for through wage increases, which NECESSARILY have to be REAL increases.

this is WHY Obama is always harping about the FMW.  it would largely fix this issue for him.  giving the bottom 20% a 50% pay increase would totally crush this issue for him.  until it happens, however, it will be a problem for those that do not make $10/hr.

I think you mean "it will be a problem for those that do not make $20/hr"...

$10 an hour is BARELY scraping by... without the niceties like healthcare (even with Obamacare). Trust me on this one. I make right at $10 an hour.

you and i live in a different universe, brother.  i will just leave it at that.  we are clearly talking about totally different groups, here.

if you are making $20/hr, you are second quintile, not first.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Mar 1, 2015 12:58:24 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 28, 2015 13:30:41 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

i am noticing a pattern here.  even the queen of self reliance, Ayn Rand, ended up on Medicare.

Go figure...you pay into something your entire working life and expect to collect on it.  Even people who think our current system needs revamped are probably going to take a benefit they are forced to pay into for that length of time.  Which again goes back to my point that once people start getting something from the government, especially if they have to pay for it, people in general don't want to give it back.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 1, 2015 21:35:29 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

Mar 1, 2015 12:58:24 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i am noticing a pattern here.  even the queen of self reliance, Ayn Rand, ended up on Medicare.

Go figure...you pay into something your entire working life and expect to collect on it.  Even people who think our current system needs revamped are probably going to take a benefit they are forced to pay into for that length of time.  Which again goes back to my point that once people start getting something from the government, especially if they have to pay for it, people in general don't want to give it back.

huh?

wait, so......are you saying that you think it is logically consistent to spend your entire life railing against the evils of socialism and the state, and then let that state be your daddy when you retire?

not feeling it, PI.  not feeling it.

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Mar 1, 2015 21:09:31 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Mar 1, 2015 20:05:05 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

I think you mean "it will be a problem for those that do not make $20/hr"...

$10 an hour is BARELY scraping by... without the niceties like healthcare (even with Obamacare). Trust me on this one. I make right at $10 an hour.

you and i live in a different universe, brother.  i will just leave it at that.  we are clearly talking about totally different groups, here.

if you are making $20/hr, you are second quintile, not first.

I wasn't referring to any "quintile rating"... I was referring to $10/hour is not the bar that you want to be using as to where the "problem" stops being an issue. That bar is closer to $20/hour.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 1, 2015 22:11:47 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Mar 1, 2015 21:09:31 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

you and i live in a different universe, brother.  i will just leave it at that.  we are clearly talking about totally different groups, here.

if you are making $20/hr, you are second quintile, not first.

I wasn't referring to any "quintile rating"... I was referring to $10/hour is not the bar that you want to be using as to where the "problem" stops being an issue. That bar is closer to $20/hour.

i already knew all that, so....okey dokey.