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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 25, 2015 15:23:22 GMT -5
Why use eventbrite? Why not just handle your own marketing/sales? Because it allows you to set number of tickets and do online sales. It's just like selling any other product online. We need that capability to reach a broader audience and capitalize on social media and the under 40 tech savvy market.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 15:23:26 GMT -5
Are you suggesting your nonprofit would then revert to handling their own sales again and use casheer to process ticket payments? In a second. Why don't they process their own sales now?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 15:25:08 GMT -5
Why use eventbrite? Why not just handle your own marketing/sales? Because it allows you to set number of tickets and do online sales. It's just like selling any other product online. We need that capability to reach a broader audience and capitalize on social media and the under 40 tech savvy market. So what would make that easier with casheer? Oh oh wait, they are going to do EVERYthing eventbrite does, but for free...
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 25, 2015 15:29:36 GMT -5
Small nonprofits and small businesses don't have time or money to set up their own systems and websites that are securemail or robust. We are forced to go to third party systems. Hell, even quick books charges an absurd amount. And don't get me started on Square. But that's all merchant side. Easy sale for casheer on that front. For users I see a huge benefit in the currency acceptance model. With the rise of crypto currency this is going to be absolutely essential.
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Post by haydentiff on Jan 25, 2015 15:30:10 GMT -5
Using a credit card is not slow. I pay nothing for it, so it's not expensive. And I've never had a breech that wasn't immediately caught and for which I wasn't held culpable. Chip and pin is even safer. It is slow and you do pay for it, but that information has been intentionally hidden from you: THE BIGGEST BANK FEE YOU’VE NEVER HEARD OF Every time you swipe a credit or debit card, your bank takes a bite out of your payment. In fact, these hidden swipe fees cost Americans more than all credit-card annual fees, cash- advance fees, over-the-limit fees and late fees combined. Did you know: Merchants pay $50 billion annually in swipe fees, most of it a windfall for the banks Between $2 and $4 on every $100 spent using a credit card goes to the banks, even though it costs only a few pennies to process the transaction. In many cases, the swipe fee is higher than what the merchant earns on the sale These fees drive up the prices for everything from gas to groceries, costing the average family more than $400 every year U.S. swipe fees are among the highest in the world; 7 times higher than the standard European rate even though there is higher volume and low technology costs here U.S. swipe fees are more than 4 times larger than in Australia Credit card swipe fees have tripled since 2004 despite technological improvements that have driven down the processing costs For most merchants, swipe fees have become the second-highest operating expense after labor www.unfaircreditcardfees.comBanks markup swipe fees 500%. www.nacsonline.com/News/Daily/Pages/ND0123152.aspx#.VMVR1S5la4o
A group of retailers tried to take this case to the supreme court, but it was announced a few days ago that they will not hear the case.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 15:31:16 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I feel like I'm at an Amway presentation.
How can your company possibly provide all of the services currently provided by so many diverse other organizations.. For free.
How is it possibly sustainable?
I see how it could be disruptive. I believe it could be an effective revolution tool if you could get enough followers (and VC). I don't see how it's sustainable.
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 25, 2015 15:32:17 GMT -5
I pay Western Union for a service though. Again, I am skeptical of free service. I like to know up front how people are getting paid. I may be a minority... So you don't use Facebook or Google.. or Proboards?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 15:35:03 GMT -5
Yes. Is casheer going to make money on advertizing and selling personal data?
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Post by giramomma on Jan 25, 2015 15:35:42 GMT -5
I must be missing something.
DH and I go to a few professional sports games a year. As a rule, we go directly to professional organization and buy tickets.
They charge us a ticket fee.
So you are saying, if we buy the tickets directly from the sporting team (not stub hub), using your app, then we wouldn't have to pay for the online purchase fee that they charge..it would just go away?
I'm trying to understand this from the consumer standpoint. Other than the information security, I don't see where it's saving me money. I don't have enough faith that if Target adopts your new payment methods, that my diapers are going to go down in price.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 15:36:34 GMT -5
Loop, I'm confused. If the nonprofit could use casheer they would go back to setting up their own system and websites and marketing?
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Post by haydentiff on Jan 25, 2015 15:36:40 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I feel like I'm at an Amway presentation. How can your company possibly provide all of the services currently provided by so many diverse other organizations.. For free. How is it possibly sustainable? I see how it could be disruptive. I believe it could be an effective revolution tool if you could get enough followers (and VC). I don't see how it's sustainable. Did you read the Apple Pay article I posted. EVERYTHING is moving to mobile. Mobile advertising is already huge and going to continue to grow. "Mobile payments expert Richard Crone talked to UBS about Apple Pay's hurdles. He told UBS that the market for retailer marketing and actionable offers is around $120 billion." uk.businessinsider.com/apple-pay-flaw-merchants-cant-push-loyalty-offers-2014-12?r=USThat's only one option. We will be offering premium services at cost.
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Post by haydentiff on Jan 25, 2015 15:38:26 GMT -5
I must be missing something. DH and I go to a few professional sports games a year. As a rule, we go directly to professional organization and buy tickets. They charge us a ticket fee. So you are saying, if we buy the tickets directly from the sporting team (not stub hub), using your app, then we wouldn't have to pay for the online purchase fee that they charge..it would just go away? I'm trying to understand this from the consumer standpoint. Other than the information security, I don't see where it's saving me money. I don't have enough faith that if Target adopts your new payment methods, that my diapers are going to go down in price. I am referring to the secondhand ticket market. The fees are INSANE. This is a good read also: www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/09/18/how-ticketmaster-and-the-nfl-have-fixed-the-price-of-secondhand-tickets/
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Post by haydentiff on Jan 25, 2015 15:39:24 GMT -5
Yes. Is casheer going to make money on advertizing and selling personal data? We will NEVER sell personal data. Users can opt in or out of any type of advertising.
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 25, 2015 15:39:33 GMT -5
Yes. Is casheer going to make money on advertizing and selling personal data? They don't have to sell personal data to make money. There is plenty of potential money making in targeted advertising and analytics. (Though I don't have personal knowledge on what they specifically will be selling; those are examples of things that I would sell).
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 25, 2015 15:40:28 GMT -5
Loop, I'm confused. If the nonprofit could use casheer they would go back to setting up their own system and websites and marketing? No. Casheer appears to have this already built in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 15:41:58 GMT -5
So, are you not sure yet exactly how you will make money?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 15:43:56 GMT -5
Loop, I'm confused. If the nonprofit could use casheer they would go back to setting up their own system and websites and marketing? No. Casheer appears to have this already built in. Is this accurate tiff?
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Post by haydentiff on Jan 25, 2015 15:44:11 GMT -5
So, are you not sure yet exactly how you will make money? Do you mean do I know what percentage of revenue will come from mobile advertising vs premium services? No, I don't.
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 25, 2015 15:44:19 GMT -5
So, are you not sure yet exactly how you will make money? Could have sworn she already mentioned multiple ways to make money, which is a hell of a lot better than other now gigantic tech companies started with.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 15:45:41 GMT -5
As for swipe fees. I know how they work. I understand what I'm buying when I pay one. I understand why merchants offer payment sources that charge them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 15:47:10 GMT -5
Is this a gigantic tech company?
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Post by haydentiff on Jan 25, 2015 15:48:20 GMT -5
As for swipe fees. I know how they work. I understand what I'm buying when I pay one. I understand why merchants offer them. Merchants DO NOT offer them. They are forced to pay them. "Take it or leave it" is the policy if you want to be able to accept a CC. Every single bank in America charges the exact same swipe fee. Price-fix much?
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Post by haydentiff on Jan 25, 2015 15:49:06 GMT -5
Is this a gigantic tech company? It will be.
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 25, 2015 15:52:01 GMT -5
Is this a gigantic tech company? No, but then neither was Twitter.
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 25, 2015 15:55:47 GMT -5
All I'm saying is that there are some really ridiculous apps out there that are making a killing. This one isn't even remotely ridiculous. And with tech giants like Apple moving in to the mobile payments market you know that it's a pretty good bet that it's the overall market trend.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 15:57:14 GMT -5
Ok. You mentioned apple pay a bit back. Apple pay still links with a cc no?
And that article also seemed to suggest that 3rd party mobile payment is likely to be short lived.
I changed my #121.. to better reflect what I meant. Merchants are free to not accept cc. They choose to offer the. For a reason.
So, when I make a payment with casheer... Where does that payment come from?
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Post by haydentiff on Jan 25, 2015 15:59:00 GMT -5
Ok. You mentioned apple pay a bit back. Apple pay still links with a cc no?
YES!!!! They are still using old, expensive payment rails AND charging swipe fees.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 15:59:32 GMT -5
Yes, mobile payments are a trend... About making cc payments easier, not about eliminating them...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 16:00:15 GMT -5
So what is casheer linked to?
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Post by haydentiff on Jan 25, 2015 16:01:32 GMT -5
Yes, mobile payments are a trend... About making cc payments easier, not about eliminating them... That was Apple's plan, not ours. Money now moves just like information. It CAN move for free and it WILL move for free.
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