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Post by wvugurl26 on Jan 15, 2015 7:51:54 GMT -5
I just saw an article on this. They listed Virginia Tech's Frank Beamer as getting $2.6 million and none it comes out of state money.
Michigan State's basketball coach gets $3.9 million and $399,870 is from the state. Steve Spurrier's $4 million includes $350,000 from the state.
I know when Rich Rodgriguez bolted WVU for Michigan, the boosters were pissed they didn't get a chance to offer him more money. And the money he's been paying for breaking his contract goes to the foundation not the university. Of course the foundation is a 501(c) so I'm sure it can be deducted as a charitable donation.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 15, 2015 8:11:22 GMT -5
The person in question is a instructor at our agency. She'll be training agency personnel. While not what I'd call entry level or a McJob, just not what I would normally envision someone with a PhD in advanced sciences and job experience in academia doing. The job pays in the 70k to 80k a year range. Not bad, but again, lower than I would think someone with those qualifications would be aiming for. My husband loves to teach and mentor the young lawyers that come through his office. He used to have two at a time - one that stayed for a year or two and the other position was either for the summer or for a semester, so he got 3 per year. I think he likes that portion of his job better than all the other pieces. He also took a job teaching a class at a really shitty law school here in town. He says that causes him internal conflict because he loves teaching the class, but he thinks that school is morally wrong (a bad education for an extremely high amount of money.) If he could get a job paying $80k where all he did was teach and mentor in an organization he was proud of - I suspect we would take a paycut. He wants to teach at the community college level as his "retirement job." Maybe this lady has a passion for training people and making the world a better place because she taught them how to do it right.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jan 15, 2015 8:22:47 GMT -5
A friend of mine has her PharmD and left pharmacy to work for my employer. She keeps her license current so she can keep her options open, but she took a dramatic paycut (close to 50% of pharmacist salary) to come here. Sometimes money isn't the only career motivator.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jan 15, 2015 9:21:50 GMT -5
Just so everyone knows though when a school needs to get someone in to teach classes so the tenured profs can do their research they aren't hiring a full time asst prof to do it. That would require things like benefits and pay that comes out to those $30K-$40K a year numbers mentioned on this thread. The reality is they hire lots and lots of adjuncts. I am by no means dissing adjuncts! Most are very highly qualified, and fantastic teachers. The problem in my mind is that they treated as the Walmart cashiers of academia. And most times not paid as well when you do the math by the hour.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jan 15, 2015 9:29:44 GMT -5
I am actually way over qualified at my PT job. I took that job for my own reasons and actually have no problem with doing a menial job for the wage. I applied without giving them any info on me. There was actually a spot on the application, online, to say you didn't want to use your prior experience, if any, to apply for the job. I hit that because typing my whole job history to get a min wage job as a cashier was way more work than I wanted to do for it. So while I did put in my education, because the computer application made me, they didn't really have much info on me other than that I seemed way better than the average applicant. I actually make it a point to give my best customer service to every customer that comes in. My CSI scores reflect that. Once mgmt noticed they started using me to be more of a mgmt person up front. Sounds nice but I am getting tired of them trying to get me to be their go to problem solver for $8.75 an hour. I know, I have a bad attitude.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 9:45:41 GMT -5
I was overqualified for my last job- they were actually looking at a salary level that was $40K lower than my current salary. I really needed to move; I could see the job I had disappearing (boss confirmed it) and tried multiple times to find positions elsewhere in the company but nothing worked out.
They offered me $20K less than I was making with a $20K signing bonus. I took it because I didn't want to relocate, I knew 2 people in the department from previous jobs, and the company had a good reputation. This is a LCOL area and it just meant we'd save less, but our savings were already pretty healthy. The alternative would probably have been moving to some HCOL area and having to take $$ out of the investments to put down on a $500K house in some suburb with a 1.5 hour commute. If I'd had to I would have, but I'm very grateful we didn't have to.
I lasted only 18 months at that job, but it gave us that much longer to save for retirement and I really liked the work and (most of) the people I worked with till the politics got ugly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 10:33:14 GMT -5
I think its terrible that so many of you are so well educated and have so much valuable experience yet your compensation doesn't reflect it. Someone is making the money if you guys aren't. So much just isn't fair in life. Well, I've puzzled over this too, now that I'm retired. Sometimes I swear that what gets you ahead in the corporate world is the ability to maximize how much jargon you can put on a PowerPoint slide. I also think that people who change companies regularly and who are better negotiators get more. Face it- employers will pay you the least they can that will still keep you from moving to a competitor.
There are also costs to the well-paying jobs. Your husband is away from home for long periods of time, in countries I wouldn't go near as a tourist, and probably under some high pressure to get things up and running/keep things up and running. Of course he should be compensated for that. I saw C-suite types who were almost never home, who might have a breakfast meeting in London, a meeting with a potential client in Paris at lunch, and dinner with management in the Brussels office. Believe me, it's not as fun as it sounds, especially if you're flying commercial. One guy was so burned out and jet lagged that voices in his head told him to kill his 2-year old daughter. So he did. :oThe people who left academia in this discussion decided that the BS wasn't worth it.
Sometimes I wonder how high I could have risen if I'd been really determined to get to (or near) the top, but I'm retired at (almost) 62, healthy, happy and have enough to live a good, if not lavish life. I'm not sure what else the extra bucks would have gotten me or if they would have been worth it.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jan 15, 2015 10:38:16 GMT -5
I just saw an article on this. They listed Virginia Tech's Frank Beamer as getting $2.6 million and none it comes out of state money. Michigan State's basketball coach gets $3.9 million and $399,870 is from the state. Steve Spurrier's $4 million includes $350,000 from the state. I know when Rich Rodgriguez bolted WVU for Michigan, the boosters were pissed they didn't get a chance to offer him more money. And the money he's been paying for breaking his contract goes to the foundation not the university. Of course the foundation is a 501(c) so I'm sure it can be deducted as a charitable donation. 300k+? How much does the governor make? It says something about our priorities as a society when the basketball coach gets more state money than state troopers, teachers, firefighters, social workers, ect.. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure coaching a big name team requires a lot of dedication and skill, but still...
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 15, 2015 10:40:36 GMT -5
I think its terrible that so many of you are so well educated and have so much valuable experience yet your compensation doesn't reflect it. Someone is making the money if you guys aren't. So much just isn't fair in life.
You missed a big part of something, Stablest. Most of us CHOSE to make less money. I know I could have made more money elsewhere when I worked at the university but I liked what I did and the people I worked with. I did what was necessary to make things work for me at the time.
It's not always about the money. I don't look at it as fair or not being fair. If I looked at life being fair, then I'd be totally depressed and I just don't want to let my brain go there, as it is a totally useless exercise.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 15, 2015 10:44:26 GMT -5
I just saw an article on this. They listed Virginia Tech's Frank Beamer as getting $2.6 million and none it comes out of state money. Michigan State's basketball coach gets $3.9 million and $399,870 is from the state. Steve Spurrier's $4 million includes $350,000 from the state. I know when Rich Rodgriguez bolted WVU for Michigan, the boosters were pissed they didn't get a chance to offer him more money. And the money he's been paying for breaking his contract goes to the foundation not the university. Of course the foundation is a 501(c) so I'm sure it can be deducted as a charitable donation. 300k+? How much does the governor make? Average $133K/year, ranging from $87K-187K. www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2013/06/25/governors-salaries-range-from-70000-to-187256
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jan 15, 2015 10:45:44 GMT -5
I just saw an article on this. They listed Virginia Tech's Frank Beamer as getting $2.6 million and none it comes out of state money. Michigan State's basketball coach gets $3.9 million and $399,870 is from the state. Steve Spurrier's $4 million includes $350,000 from the state. I know when Rich Rodgriguez bolted WVU for Michigan, the boosters were pissed they didn't get a chance to offer him more money. And the money he's been paying for breaking his contract goes to the foundation not the university. Of course the foundation is a 501(c) so I'm sure it can be deducted as a charitable donation. 300k+? How much does the governor make? South Carolina was $106kish. She's paying her chief of staff $125k. Michigan was $159,300 in 2013. Given what is expected out of top coaches at the big universities, is $300k from university funds unrealistic? I don't think its that bad. The ones I know of practically live in their offices. I doubt that $300k is what is putting the university's budget right over the top.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 15, 2015 10:56:39 GMT -5
300k+? How much does the governor make? South Carolina was $106kish. She's paying her chief of staff $125k. Michigan was $159,300 in 2013. Given what is expected out of top coaches at the big universities, is $300k from university funds unrealistic? I don't think its that bad. The ones I know of practically live in their offices. I doubt that $300k is what is putting the university's budget right over the top. I would hate to deal with the stress of coaching, because their job wholly depends upon how good the players that they chose are..... A couple bad years (regardless of reason) and you're out.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jan 15, 2015 12:15:07 GMT -5
South Carolina was $106kish. She's paying her chief of staff $125k. Michigan was $159,300 in 2013. Given what is expected out of top coaches at the big universities, is $300k from university funds unrealistic? I don't think its that bad. The ones I know of practically live in their offices. I doubt that $300k is what is putting the university's budget right over the top. I would hate to deal with the stress of coaching, because their job wholly depends upon how good the players that they chose are..... A couple bad years (regardless of reason) and you're out. At some schools you're lucky to get 2 years, one bad season will get you booted from a few.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 13:54:07 GMT -5
I'm overqualified and keep getting pressured to go back into management. My motivation to keep moving up absolutely cratered when we paid off the mortgage 3 years ago.
My goal now is to make good money without having to have my work phone/laptop on me at all times like a manager position would require here. It's about quality of life for me. If the right spot came up where I was only managing a team of 3 or less I probably wouldn't be able to resist though.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 16, 2015 18:07:15 GMT -5
Coaches work harder than presidents. The money has to be good because wives raise those kids alone. Something has to make it worth staying.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 16, 2015 21:00:25 GMT -5
Coaches work harder than presidents. The money has to be good because wives raise those kids alone. Something has to make it worth staying. Lots of people work "harder" than the president. A different question is do they have more responsibility, like, can they destroy life on Earth. Should we pay millions to those serving our country in war zones since their spouses are home raising kids alone?
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jan 16, 2015 21:56:02 GMT -5
They also host team members and potential recruits at their homes. I would gather most head coaches are putting in tons of hours in one way or another to run and promote those programs.
Look at the contract Urban Meyer's kids made him sign before he went to coach Ohio State.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jan 17, 2015 21:33:52 GMT -5
Just so everyone knows though when a school needs to get someone in to teach classes so the tenured profs can do their research they aren't hiring a full time asst prof to do it. That would require things like benefits and pay that comes out to those $30K-$40K a year numbers mentioned on this thread. The reality is they hire lots and lots of adjuncts. I am by no means dissing adjuncts! Most are very highly qualified, and fantastic teachers. The problem in my mind is that they treated as the Walmart cashiers of academia. And most times not paid as well when you do the math by the hour. Adjuncts get totally screwed. Dnephew1 has a tenure track position at Alabama. His Ukrainian wife finally got here in time to work for them at for the spring semester. They tried to make her an adjunct. No way. She said she'd make more selling clothes at Victoria's Secret! Now she is teaching 3 classes for about $25K. If Alabama is not able to give her a tenure track position next year along with nephew, they will be moving on. Already are applying just in case. I am very over qualified for my seasonal tax job. I audited tax returns in my career and then I prepared tax returns. What in my lower level job is stressful enough and it doesn't require 80 hour weeks, which I do not want to do.
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