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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 6, 2011 22:48:19 GMT -5
She said the chemical interactions aren't random, not the mechanism by which those interactions came about in the first place (and the only thing random about that is the initial mutation, subsequent iterations were not entirely random as they would have been promoted or rejected through procreation with attractive mates).
Try reading, ed. It's not that hard.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 6, 2011 22:55:45 GMT -5
Go ahead, please explain why those chemicals exist, why they interact the way they do, and how they got that way...if it isn't random, then who designed it? Something doesn't have to be designed to be other than random, ed. We came to be. We don't know how. Some believe God created us. Others believe we are the result of a series of events that resulted from interactions of chemicals left here by the "big bang". Still others feel we're an abandoned experiment started by aliens. You're welcome to believe any of those, as am I. What I referred to as explainable was the interaction of those chemicals. You simply don't read for content. You read for the opportunity to argue. You're boring, to put it bluntly.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 6, 2011 23:28:47 GMT -5
You mean from the poll from over 6 years ago by CBS? The same one that had 47% of Kerry voters believing in creationism? No, I guess that stat isn't entirely representative of the typical conservative. But to your point about creationism v evolution, maybe someone can help me with this because I haven't been able to find anyone to dispute this [admittedly, I'm not friends with a ton of genetic scientists]? Let's pretend Eve didn't come from Adam and they have different DNA. They have 4 children, each have half Adam, half Eve. The only way to carry on humankind is to have incestuous relations with your brother / sister [let's avoid how disgusting this topic is for a moment]. B1 and S1 have a child whose DNA would still be 1/2 Eve and 1/2 Adam since they'd get 1/4 Adam and 1/4 Eve from B1 and 1/4 Adam and 1/4 Eve from S1. How would the DNA of man kind ever expand? What am I missing? [/size][/quote] Lilith possibly expanded the DNA? Jewish folklore has Lilith not Eve as Adam's first wife. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 7, 2011 9:26:27 GMT -5
Which god is being prayed to in the foxhole? All of them and a few not thought of by most...
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 7, 2011 9:54:08 GMT -5
I'm an atheist. My prayers are to the uncaring universe and I was laughing at handy So, then it is true that liberal Democrats must not believe in God, since you did not include them in your rant against Conservatives
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 7, 2011 10:03:16 GMT -5
There are plenty of Dems who do. Belief in God/gods whatever does not necessitate belief in creationism. And I happen to know there are many conservative democrats and independents and other party members. (which is why I specified "conservatives"). Reading comprehension really is a wonderful thing.
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 7, 2011 10:09:05 GMT -5
God created Man. In fact, God created everything. The notion that Nothing created Everything in some imaginary Bang is totally absurd and makes one hunger for a banana. *pats Snerdley on the head* how nice for you, dear. Now run along and enjoy your banana while the adults talk.
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 7, 2011 10:13:11 GMT -5
Why would I need a coherent thought to argue theology?
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 7, 2011 10:17:29 GMT -5
Nice thinly veiled slam at conservatives, but whatever. I am soooo much smarter than you! Got it. A) There was nothing thinly veiled about it B) Regarding what I believe (whether or not the universe came into being from nothing) - you have no idea what I believe. Lack of belief in your God does not mean I believe the universe came from nothing. It means I don't know how it came into being, but I'm happy to consider the theories in the meantime.
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Post by marjar on Mar 7, 2011 10:40:57 GMT -5
You mean from the poll from over 6 years ago by CBS? The same one that had 47% of Kerry voters believing in creationism? No, I guess that stat isn't entirely representative of the typical conservative. But to your point about creationism v evolution, maybe someone can help me with this because I haven't been able to find anyone to dispute this [admittedly, I'm not friends with a ton of genetic scientists]? Let's pretend Eve didn't come from Adam and they have different DNA. They have 4 children, each have half Adam, half Eve. The only way to carry on humankind is to have incestuous relations with your brother / sister [let's avoid how disgusting this topic is for a moment]. B1 and S1 have a child whose DNA would still be 1/2 Eve and 1/2 Adam since they'd get 1/4 Adam and 1/4 Eve from B1 and 1/4 Adam and 1/4 Eve from S1. How would the DNA of man kind ever expand? What am I missing? [/size][/quote] I've puzzled over that one myself.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 7, 2011 11:13:08 GMT -5
Not believing in God is irrational. Thinking that things created themselves is irrational. Believing that poof everything came to existence on its own accord without God behind it is the stuff of ninnies. That's your opinion, to which you're entitled. It's not my opinion, and I'm just as entitled to an opinion as you are. I'll not call you a ninny, but I shall certainly laugh at you calling me one.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 7, 2011 12:18:26 GMT -5
.... So, tell me what you believe. If you don't know, fine. But, then don't turn around and call people stupid who do believe in God. An all powerful being created every thing and then did this apple thingy. Just weird.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 7, 2011 12:18:40 GMT -5
Fine, Snerdley. Then identify those who call God-believers stupid and target them. I'm not one of them, and neither are many other posters who don't happen to believe in God.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 7, 2011 12:34:09 GMT -5
I didn't start the thread. The thread was started with the underlying theme of "stupid people believe in God". I didn't start it.[/quot ------------------------------------------------------ Some days I read this board and pray that the conservatives who post on here are not an accurate sampling of American conservatives. Other days I'm sure they are. Like those days when I find out that 55% of Americans believe that God created Humankind in our present form. Or that 18% believe that Obama is a Muslim. On those days I want to cry a little. Luckily I know that there are a number of completely rational conservatives on this board and they make me want to cuddle with them. ------------------------------------------------ I guess you read into some thing that I am missing here in the 1st post by the originator of the thread
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 7, 2011 12:40:57 GMT -5
I personally am getting sick and tired of the "only stupid people believe in God" slam. It is like a drive by shooting, rush in and put people down but yet you cannot even articulate your own position but somehow you have the more "intelligent" point of view. This, Snerdley, was your post. The statement is your statement, and even includes the word "personally". That would seem to indicate this statement is your personal opinion and not that of the OP. Who started the thread is irrelevant. You still hold responsiblity for your statements.
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Post by Angel! on Mar 7, 2011 12:50:19 GMT -5
Not believing in God is irrational. Thinking that things created themselves is irrational. Believing that poof everything came to existence on its own accord without God behind it is the stuff of ninnies. But, the belief that their is an invisible superpower that created us & is watching over us is completely rational? It is like saying that it is stupid to believe in Santa, while trying to argue the tooth fairy is real. There is no scientific proof that there is a god or the earth is 6,000 years old or that people were running around with the dinosaurs. You can prove a negative (god doesn't exist), but there is tons of research in at least a dozen field that back up evolution & the big bang. Maybe god does exist, but all scientific research still points to the fact that humans did not start in their present form & that the earth is billions of years old.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 7, 2011 12:56:59 GMT -5
Not believing in God is irrational. Thinking that things created themselves is irrational. Believing that poof everything came to existence on its own accord without God behind it is the stuff of ninnies. But, the belief that their is an invisible superpower that created us & is watching over us is completely rational? It is like saying that it is stupid to believe in Santa, while trying to argue the tooth fairy is real. There is no scientific proof that there is a god or the earth is 6,000 years old or that people were running around with the dinosaurs. You can prove a negative (god doesn't exist), but there is tons of research in at least a dozen field that back up evolution & the big bang. Maybe god does exist, but all scientific research still points to the fact that humans did not start in their present form & that the earth is billions of years old. ----------------------------------------------------- The belief in religion is a personal one , it's based on "faith", one has it or one does not have it. If one has it , that's all they need and for those who don't that's their problem , but what ever it is it's a personal thing in my opinion.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 7, 2011 13:16:07 GMT -5
Except for the part about God, there is nothing in the bible that discusses any of what you mentioned. The bible does not mention the age of the earth, it does not mention man cohabiting the earth with dinosaurs, and it gives no details as to the process of how humans were created (read Genesis, it is very vague and allegorical). All of that is interpretation, flawed in my opinion (as it should be), by humans trying to rationalize God's word with our puny brains...
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 7, 2011 13:36:27 GMT -5
Which God are we speaking of? There are many.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 13:42:15 GMT -5
It is clear that He created in a certain order with the plants and animals prior to Man, etc.
Where is that made clear? thanks.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 7, 2011 13:49:36 GMT -5
First things first. Evolution does not try to prove or disprove the existence of god or some higher power. Only tries to prove how life began once the universe existed.
As for a god any god? If I said I believed in the Greek gods and Zeus created our world and universe-would I be correct?
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Post by Angel! on Mar 7, 2011 13:50:33 GMT -5
Except for the part about God, there is nothing in the bible that discusses any of what you mentioned. The bible does not mention the age of the earth, it does not mention man cohabiting the earth with dinosaurs, and it gives no details as to the process of how humans were created (read Genesis, it is very vague and allegorical). All of that is interpretation, flawed in my opinion (as it should be), by humans trying to rationalize God's word with our puny brains... Actually, depending on who you ask - the bible mentions all of those things. Young earth creationists believe the bible is 100% accurate historical document. Based on the timelines & genealogy presented in the bible, they believe the earth is 6,000-10,000 years old. Also, there are creatures mentioned dozens of times in the old testament that the hebrew word can be translated as dragon - many believe these refers to dinosaurs.
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 7, 2011 13:53:59 GMT -5
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 8, 2011 2:26:52 GMT -5
God spoke the Universe into existence. It is clear that He created in a certain order with the plants and animals prior to Man, etc. But, the real issue. Are those of you who do not believe in God, please tell me how there was a vast void of NOTHING and it became Everything. How would that be scientifically possible? Don't know how but I guess it happened..some things are to deep th think about , such as the size of the universe, galaxies, distance between and then after you leave our little one , there are more, and more, and then..even more...to much..need some aspirin
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Mar 8, 2011 4:02:53 GMT -5
In scientific usage, the term "theory" is reserved for explanations of phenomena which meet basic requirements about the kinds of empirical observations made, the methods of classification used, and the consistency of the theory in its application among members of the class to which it pertains. ~ Wiki Gravity, Cell, Atomic, Relativity, Plate Techtonics, Germ... These are all scientific theories as well.... do you disbelieve all of them? Scientist also used to believe in the notion that a living thing can come from inanimate object (i.e. flies form from rotting meat). I don't remember off the top of my head what it was called. Scientist are always changing their minds about things.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Mar 8, 2011 4:12:42 GMT -5
God created Man. In fact, God created everything. The notion that Nothing created Everything in some imaginary Bang is totally absurd and makes one hunger for a banana. *pats Snerdley on the head* how nice for you, dear. Now run along and enjoy your banana while the adults talk. Are we back to attacking Christians now? You've made your mind up. God could come down and talk to you in the form of a burning bush and you'd probably convice yourself that you have schizophrenia. So even if God was "proven" you'd still ignore it.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Mar 8, 2011 4:13:39 GMT -5
Some days I read this board and pray that the conservatives who post on here are not an accurate sampling of American conservatives. Other days I'm sure they are. Like those days when I find out that 55% of Americans believe that God created Humankind in our present form. Or that 18% believe that Obama is a Muslim. On those days I want to cry a little. Luckily I know that there are a number of completely rational conservatives on this board and they make me want to cuddle with them. You are a great example of that closed-minded liberal open-mindedness.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Mar 8, 2011 4:15:18 GMT -5
"Stephen C. Meyer (born 1958) is an American scholar, philosopher and advocate for intelligent design. He helped found the Center for Science and Culture (CSC) of the Discovery Institute (DI), which is the driving force behind the intelligent design movement. Previous to joining the DI, Meyer was a professor at Winthrop University. Meyer is currently vice president and a senior fellow at CSC, and a director of the Access Research Network" So if he believes that the "proof" goes toward God existing, it would make sense that he would believe what he does.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Mar 8, 2011 4:18:59 GMT -5
It isn't a university that instills the idea that we can overcome our natural instincts and rise above the other animals. Its the ideal of being made in His image. It isn't biology that teaches taking care of the weak, sick and poor... its the teachings of the prophet... I thought Conservatives understood that? Is it smug arrogance to preach the laws of God and the tenets of Jesus Christ on one hand, and than advocate for the opposite? and sigh at the perceived ignorance of the hypocrites? What are they teaching in those fancy pants churches and cathedrals anyway? This argument isn't actually accurate. You are attempting to equate government taking money from people to spend at it's discretion vs. people having the choice to determine where they feel the money would be best suited. You are equating not thinking the government is the best source to help people with somehow being hypocritical and not wanting to help people at all. Very few people believe in no social safety nets, there is a lot of disagreement over how much the government should do.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 8, 2011 7:37:39 GMT -5
People come to different conclusions with regard to the issue of how we got here and who's driving the bus. Personally, I see no problem there. Each individual must decide for him/herself what is right for them. No individual can decide what's right for another. It's not about being "stupid". It's about making a different decision than the one another might make while respecting the other person's right to make their decision and hold to it. Sadly, too often neither group, including those in the middle, seem willing to do this.
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