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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 4, 2011 20:32:14 GMT -5
<<< I was laughing at handy >>> ...mystery of the universe #322 solved... ;D The answer is "4"
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 4, 2011 22:35:21 GMT -5
Nooooo.. 42! Gawd! How stupid can you be?!?!
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 5, 2011 15:38:49 GMT -5
GAWD!!!! It has been years since I have seen that, give an old man a break.
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 5, 2011 16:35:35 GMT -5
Seen?! SEEEEEN!?!?! You're hopeless! GO READ IT AND DON'T COME BACK TIL YOU DO!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2011 16:40:04 GMT -5
How many roads must a man walk down....?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2011 16:58:14 GMT -5
In scientific usage, the term "theory" is reserved for explanations of phenomena which meet basic requirements about the kinds of empirical observations made, the methods of classification used, and the consistency of the theory in its application among members of the class to which it pertains. ~ Wiki
Gravity, Cell, Atomic, Relativity, Plate Techtonics, Germ... These are all scientific theories as well.... do you disbelieve all of them?
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 5, 2011 17:08:28 GMT -5
In scientific usage, the term "theory" is reserved for explanations of phenomena which meet basic requirements about the kinds of empirical observations made, the methods of classification used, and the consistency of the theory in its application among members of the class to which it pertains. ~ Wiki Gravity, Cell, Atomic, Relativity, Plate Techtonics, Germ... These are all scientific theories as well.... do you disbelieve all of them? Maybe you paint with too broad a brush - I believe that gravity has been well proved. Atomic structures (or our knowledge of them) keep changing as our technology grows to examine them in greater depth. Germs a lot known but a lot more to find out. Plate tectonics and relativity - I am sure there is a lot more to learn here also - so theories are somewhat fluid.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2011 17:12:49 GMT -5
I paint with the brush of Scientific Theory.... Evolution is the SAME kind of theory...
It is not a theory like... hey, i bet Charlie Sheen got his hands on some good drugs....
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 5, 2011 17:28:41 GMT -5
I paint with the brush of Scientific Theory.... Evolution is the SAME kind of theory... It is not a theory like... hey, i bet Charlie Sheen got his hands on some good drugs.... I totally understand - my biggest problem with evolution is that the theory does not mesh well with time frames of life on earth - and the missing link is missing. This is not to say that I believe in the biblical version - it is just to say that the theory of evolution is, in my mind, not yet completely accurate
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Post by workpublic on Mar 6, 2011 10:54:08 GMT -5
evolution? one of the main stays of progressive belief. natural selection - From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs). where is the correlation? evolution states survival of the fittest. the strong, smart, healthy, adaptable survive, why does every progressive social policy prop up the weak, dumb, sick and unadaptive off the backs of the ones that should be thriving under natural selection? is it a smug arrogance to preach the laws of nature on one hand and then try to legislate a stop to nature? and sigh at the the perceived ignorance of those who disagree what are these over educated progressives learning in them fancy pants universities anywho? ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 10:59:17 GMT -5
It isn't a university that instills the idea that we can overcome our natural instincts and rise above the other animals. Its the ideal of being made in His image. It isn't biology that teaches taking care of the weak, sick and poor... its the teachings of the prophet...
I thought Conservatives understood that?
Is it smug arrogance to preach the laws of God and the tenets of Jesus Christ on one hand, and than advocate for the opposite? and sigh at the perceived ignorance of the hypocrites?
What are they teaching in those fancy pants churches and cathedrals anyway?
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Post by workpublic on Mar 6, 2011 11:05:57 GMT -5
evolution? one of the main stays of progressive belief. natural selection - From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs). where is the correlation? who said anything about the religious right? this thread is about non progressives not getting it. explain it me. i am a non progressive, non religious right, "regular" person. I don't follow(like most independent conservatives) the religious right i believe in natural selection, and that God created it.
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 6, 2011 11:15:28 GMT -5
Actually, what you're referring to is the erroneously named "social darwinism" which is a bastardization of what darwin theorized. Though natural selection is a facet of evolution, those who have used their brains and bothered to learn about the theory of evolution realize that being "fit" has very little to do with a specific set of traits (ie physical strength or intelligence). Even adaptability is unecessary as there isn't a species that lives in an environment that is constantly in flux (except bacteria and viruses, etc. But adaptability happens from one generation to the next and is not a requirement for each individual cell). Really what you're trying to peg on us as a hypocracy just reveals that you're a bit of a moron. Oh and that whole from each, to each bit was popularized Marx (deep origins being biblical) and he never advocated giving to the lazy.
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Post by workpublic on Mar 6, 2011 11:37:16 GMT -5
Its the ideal of being made in His image. It isn't biology that teaches taking care of the weak, sick and poor... its the teachings of the prophet... the prophet? the son of the god that didn't create man? those who have used their brains and bothered to learn about the theory of evolution the same way that i did, and came to the same conclusion that i did, are smart(like me). all others are stupid? actually, when one starts a statement/reply with actually, it's smug and condescending.
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 6, 2011 11:44:57 GMT -5
Yes. Pretty much. Either that or you didn't actually study the theory of evolution, just what some third party said what the theory of evolution is.
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 6, 2011 11:48:56 GMT -5
You also said something about "surviving", which technically isn't a necessity. You really just have to survive long enough to procreate.. that's the survivability that evolution is talking about. Once your dna is passed on, all bets are off.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 11:50:18 GMT -5
Lots of people beleive in God and Evolution...
Did you learn about evolution on Fox News?
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 6, 2011 11:51:41 GMT -5
I believe, workpublic, the idea of caring for the sick, the poor, and the weak comes from within the person. Like loop, I'm an atheist. I don't need a diety to tell me what's right. All I need to do is look around me and use a little common sense and some empathy. I know more than enough people who sit in church every Sunday, piously spouting what's expected of them who, when not under the watchful eye of their minister/priest/pastor/rabbi/etc couldn't care less what happens to anyone other than them and theirs. It's not a belief in God that creates a good person. It comes from the heart.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 11:55:47 GMT -5
Nice mmhmm...
It is the hypocrisy that gets to me... that's what i was trying to point out...
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 6, 2011 19:24:18 GMT -5
And you believe that empathy comes from random electro-chemical signals in your brain, which was of course developed through a series of random electro-chemical reactions millions of years ago, right? Wow, imagine the chances of that happening...
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 6, 2011 20:08:28 GMT -5
Actually, empathy doesn't come from random electro-chemicals - it comes from a very specific set of them that were, granted, developed through a series of random electro-chemical reactions Catch up, Ed. You're way behind.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 6, 2011 20:23:55 GMT -5
Must be a bummer living life as an accident...
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 6, 2011 20:25:40 GMT -5
I like to think of it as a happy accident.. kinda like my kids
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Post by handyman2 on Mar 6, 2011 20:43:07 GMT -5
Loopy and mmhmm; Yall missed I would guess the mispleasure of brutal combat in a fox hole. The quickest cure for Atheism there is. As the saying goes there are no Atheists in a fox hole.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 6, 2011 20:57:23 GMT -5
Which god is being prayed to in the foxhole?
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 6, 2011 22:09:08 GMT -5
Loopy and mmhmm; Yall missed I would guess the mispleasure of brutal combat in a fox hole. The quickest cure for Atheism there is. As the saying goes there are no Atheists in a fox hole. That might be the "saying", but it's not based on fact People say all kinds of things when guns are aimed at their head, most of which probably aren't true
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 6, 2011 22:34:57 GMT -5
And you believe that empathy comes from random electro-chemical signals in your brain, which was of course developed through a series of random electro-chemical reactions millions of years ago, right? Wow, imagine the chances of that happening... There is nothing random in the way the chemicals in our bodies work. Certain molecules are drawn to other molecules, while other molecules are repelled. Fact of nature, and quite explainable through scientific means. You can pitch sarcasm to someone else. It doesn't work here. My beliefs are mine, yours are yours. I'll not tell you what to believe and you'll certainly not tell me what to believe.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 6, 2011 22:42:12 GMT -5
Go ahead, please explain why those chemicals exist, why they interact the way they do, and how they got that way...if it isn't random, then who designed it?
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Post by formerexpat on Mar 6, 2011 22:44:57 GMT -5
You mean from the poll from over 6 years ago by CBS? The same one that had 47% of Kerry voters believing in creationism? No, I guess that stat isn't entirely representative of the typical conservative.
But to your point about creationism v evolution, maybe someone can help me with this because I haven't been able to find anyone to dispute this [admittedly, I'm not friends with a ton of genetic scientists]?
Let's pretend Eve didn't come from Adam and they have different DNA. They have 4 children, each have half Adam, half Eve. The only way to carry on humankind is to have incestuous relations with your brother / sister [let's avoid how disgusting this topic is for a moment]. B1 and S1 have a child whose DNA would still be 1/2 Eve and 1/2 Adam since they'd get 1/4 Adam and 1/4 Eve from B1 and 1/4 Adam and 1/4 Eve from S1.
How would the DNA of man kind ever expand? What am I missing?[/size]
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