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Post by EVT1 on Jan 2, 2015 22:17:17 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 2, 2015 22:24:08 GMT -5
I want to know why the gun was in bed with them at 4:17 a.m. Why not beside the bed on or in a nightstand drawer?
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 2, 2015 22:29:16 GMT -5
I want to know why the gun was in bed with them at 4:17 a.m. Why not beside the bed on or in a nightstand drawer? Maybe it was cold and lonely?
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 2, 2015 22:45:10 GMT -5
I want to know why the gun was in bed with them at 4:17 a.m. Why not beside the bed on or in a nightstand drawer? Because in an emergency nobody has time to pull out a gun, aim and stop an intruder. Best to sleep with one under the pillow ready to fire I guess.....
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Jan 3, 2015 3:36:37 GMT -5
Could be an urban legend. I remember the tale of a woman that kept a revolver and her asthma inhaler under her pillow. You can guess the rest of the story......
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Post by marvholly on Jan 3, 2015 6:09:45 GMT -5
I saw the news reports on this Friday. My first (and current) thought was:
accident...........my sweet.........fanny.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 3, 2015 17:28:06 GMT -5
Canadians own lots of guns. That being said, we don't sleep with them, cuddle them at night or spoon with them.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 3, 2015 17:37:18 GMT -5
Could be an urban legend. I remember the tale of a woman that kept a revolver and her asthma inhaler under her pillow. You can guess the rest of the story...... the OP? it is one day old. that is rather quick for "legend" status.
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 3, 2015 20:27:11 GMT -5
He's talking about the half asleep person that grabs the gun thinking it is something else- telephone, inhaler, etc. and blows their own head off. Heard that story too.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 4, 2015 9:54:23 GMT -5
If it's a Glock, they don't have an active safety. Anyway- I don't do the old under-the-pillow thing. Night stand is fine- and this is why.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 4, 2015 11:52:14 GMT -5
Don't believe it was an accident.
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 4, 2015 16:46:52 GMT -5
If it's a Glock, they don't have an active safety. Anyway- I don't do the old under-the-pillow thing. Night stand is fine- and this is why. Sure they do- it is the same safety my Sig has- a trigger.
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Post by resolution on Jan 4, 2015 18:29:32 GMT -5
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jan 4, 2015 19:15:05 GMT -5
Divorced AND sleeping with your armed ex (technically, armed anyway - since the loaded gun was right under the pillow).
Gives a whole new meaning to "Sleeping With the Enemy".
You'd think that a police officer with an ounce of smarts (especially one who's a Firearms Instructor to boot) wouldn't be keeping a loaded revolver stashed under his pillow.
I'm not buying the "accident" story either.
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 4, 2015 19:28:54 GMT -5
Anyone that sleeps with a gun in the bed is a paranoid lunatic. Probably not an accident either- but will get away with it unless she has a story to tell. Ballsy move- the 'gun cleaning accident' is an easier sell.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 4, 2015 21:05:46 GMT -5
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 4, 2015 21:56:18 GMT -5
So is this a good shooting or a bad shooting in your book? On one hand, the shooter isn't the victim. On the other hand, the victim was married to the shooter, making her a "Darwin at work" candidate. Since you plainly stated that you don't give a damn about strangers' safety not 72 hours ago, remind me again what the point of posting these articles is.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jan 4, 2015 22:30:11 GMT -5
No, the victim was divorced from the shooter - and he'd already remarried and divorced someone else in the meantime.
And what sane & rational police officer would sleep with a loaded revolver under his pillow? That's insane. It sounds premeditated to me.
Get her in a vulnerable position, then "accidentally" grab your concealed weapon by mistake and "OOPS!".
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 4, 2015 22:38:19 GMT -5
No, the victim was divorced from the shooter - and he'd already remarried and divorced someone else in the meantime.
And what sane & rational police officer would sleep with a loaded revolver under his pillow? That's insane. It sounds premeditated to me.
Get her in a vulnerable position, then "accidentally" grab your concealed weapon by mistake and "OOPS!".
A sure way to end the alimony-pull an Oscar Pistorius and hope you get away with it. Hope the ex-wife lives to tell.
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 4, 2015 23:14:39 GMT -5
So is this a good shooting or a bad shooting in your book? On one hand, the shooter isn't the victim. On the other hand, the victim was married to the shooter, making her a "Darwin at work" candidate. Since you plainly stated that you don't give a damn about strangers' safety not 72 hours ago, remind me again what the point of posting these articles is. Duh- obviously a bad shooting- I don't believe in gun 'accidents'. No one is dead yet so we can leave Darwin out of it.
And I posted it for you since you had a small tirade about my other posts about guns. This is just every day news in this country and really not topic worthy- now if he pleads self-defense I will be all on it Somehow this is national news though:
www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/05/usa-crime-wainscott-idUSL1N0UK02A20150105
Hedge fund manager gets capped by his kid and it is all over the news- Guess his life is more important than all of the other people that got capped by family members the same day. #RichLivesMatter
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 5, 2015 8:25:24 GMT -5
I think it's more of when a gang banger gets shot, people think "oh, well." When someone who is supposedly a productive member of society does it, people wonder why?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 5, 2015 9:04:51 GMT -5
So is this a good shooting or a bad shooting in your book? On one hand, the shooter isn't the victim. On the other hand, the victim was married to the shooter, making her a "Darwin at work" candidate. Since you plainly stated that you don't give a damn about strangers' safety not 72 hours ago, remind me again what the point of posting these articles is. Duh- obviously a bad shooting- I don't believe in gun 'accidents'. No one is dead yet so we can leave Darwin out of it.
And I posted it for you since you had a small tirade about my other posts about guns. This is just every day news in this country and really not topic worthy- now if he pleads self-defense I will be all on it Somehow this is national news though:
www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/05/usa-crime-wainscott-idUSL1N0UK02A20150105
Hedge fund manager gets capped by his kid and it is all over the news- Guess his life is more important than all of the other people that got capped by family members the same day. #RichLivesMatter I just figured there might be some greater purpose to your reminding us that people shoot each other. Usually when somebody posts forty articles a year on a topic, it's because there's some deeper underlying thesis (s)he's hoping to sell people on.
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Post by Shooby on Jan 5, 2015 9:06:14 GMT -5
I wasn't sure why this thread was only For Virgil? Is there some implication that he likes this sort of thing or what?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 5, 2015 9:44:43 GMT -5
I wasn't sure why this thread was only For Virgil? Is there some implication that he likes this sort of thing or what? It's in response to this post, which is followed by EVT's definitive response. I'm trying to figure out what sir's argument actually is. He claims not to be anti-gun. If you read his response above, he reaffirms the "screw humanity" ethos pervasive through many of these threads and disclaims the notion that he cares about the safety of strangers. If it was morbid curiosity about death or injustice generally, the articles wouldn't exclusively be about shootings. One would also expect the occasional article about stabbings, vehicular homicide, etc. This isn't the case. His fixation is with gun crimes. My best guess is that (for reasons unknown) "gun culture enthusiasts" was the group of people that found its way into his "I want to hate these people" crosshairs. Posting articles about random shootings not only publicizes his animus towards the group, it justifies his hatred in a sense. Having been privy to his invective for five years, I feel justified in using the word "hatred" here. There can be no doubt about his zeal. Since his posts on the subject are absent of any greater unifying thesis, I don't see that anything besides hatred or else genuine concern for his countrymen could motivate his crusade, and the evidence overwhelmingly suggest the former.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 5, 2015 9:46:21 GMT -5
I wasn't sure why this thread was only For Virgil? Is there some implication that he likes this sort of thing or what? You may not agree with it but reply #19 answers your question. Did you read it?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 5, 2015 10:11:51 GMT -5
Anyone that sleeps with a gun in the bed is a paranoid lunatic. Probably not an accident either- but will get away with it unless she has a story to tell. Ballsy move- the 'gun cleaning accident' is an easier sell. Yeah- never saw the need for it. Unless you're a combat soldier in a forward position in a war zone.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 5, 2015 11:50:51 GMT -5
Anyone that sleeps with a gun in the bed is a paranoid lunatic. Probably not an accident either- but will get away with it unless she has a story to tell. Ballsy move- the 'gun cleaning accident' is an easier sell. Yeah- never saw the need for it. Unless you're a combat soldier in a forward position in a war zone. Happiness is a warm gun........ Basic training- when we did overnights in tents, we were required to sleep with the guns. The damn rifles were cold, even in August.
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 5, 2015 17:26:21 GMT -5
I wasn't sure why this thread was only For Virgil? Is there some implication that he likes this sort of thing or what? It's in response to this post, which is followed by EVT's definitive response. I'm trying to figure out what sir's argument actually is. He claims not to be anti-gun. If you read his response above, he reaffirms the "screw humanity" ethos pervasive through many of these threads and disclaims the notion that he cares about the safety of strangers. If it was morbid curiosity about death or injustice generally, the articles wouldn't exclusively be about shootings. One would also expect the occasional article about stabbings, vehicular homicide, etc. This isn't the case. His fixation is with gun crimes. My best guess is that (for reasons unknown) "gun culture enthusiasts" was the group of people that found its way into his "I want to hate these people" crosshairs. Posting articles about random shootings not only publicizes his animus towards the group, it justifies his hatred in a sense. Having been privy to his invective for five years, I feel justified in using the word "hatred" here. There can be no doubt about his zeal. Since his posts on the subject are absent of any greater unifying thesis, I don't see that anything besides hatred or else genuine concern for his countrymen could motivate his crusade, and the evidence overwhelmingly suggest the former. A lot of those posts were on 'self-defense' claims, stand your ground etc.
I can't stand the NRA, the bullshit they are selling, open carry assholes that like intimidating people, and other areas of the gun culture- including their stupid magazines I have alluded to in posts as well- and I am not talking Guns and Ammo.
I am fine with gun ownership with proper regulation- that's it. I have a real problem with the NRA narrative about guns and like to point out from time to time how wrong it is. If there is a unifying thesis it would be for them to shut up and calm the fuck down- there is not a thug behind every bush and your family is not in danger if you do not own a gun- in fact they are probably safer if you don't.
*as far as screw humanity- have you looked around the world lately and all the horrific shit going on? Not really impressed with the humans.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 5, 2015 19:21:05 GMT -5
Yeah. Quite literally an average of 40 times a year, for going on 5 years now. And I don't even know what a man murdering his ex-wife and claiming it was accidental has to do with the NRA narrative.
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 5, 2015 20:46:18 GMT -5
It didn't just threw you a gun thread.
However there is that other bullshit narrative going on about 'gun accidents' that are not- like when a child finds a gun and someone gets killed- you look at any article about it and it is always a tragic accident, never the fault of the gun owners. That in itself is evidence of the fucked up gun culture this country has. They didn't even indict the man that walked into his backyard armed and killed a wandering man with alzheimer's. It is pure cowboy vigilante bullshit.
Notice anything peculiar:
www.personaldefenseworld.com/publications/personal-home-defense/
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