NO Intervention In Lybia!

[deziloooooo]

What is your problem Burns?.., the personal attacks, they are , and the unnecessary vulgarity, it's a open site but not needed and just shows ignorance and contempt for readers who really know the word but really are not interested in seeing it, just not needed.
If you have a response against what I posted fine, then discuss it but your attempt at what ever you are trying to get across to some is just a cry for attention, something along the lines of
"I am here, have nothing to say, but I want all your attention, thus I am posting as I am "
The rest of your response, I don't believe I have singled out or mentioned a particular any particular group,

"Tell us what non follower of Islam has done the same.

I am as worried about any deranged folk who has a beef , would be a copycat, there are so many out there who are sick and disturbed and many of the hijackings have been done by individuals with a whole range of beefs against society. Their bombs are just as dangerous , their hi jacking can be as dangerous. Your the one who is attempting to pin the problems on particular group.
Your post was IMHO way out of line and over the top, possible no one else feels that way but thats my feeling.
A very sick and unnecessary post, which seems to be the usual from you

[humok]

Well I must be turning into a lib(no way) but I do not want to see one thing done by the US in any form to the Libyan people but you must realize it is our govt (along with others) that has brought this about in the middle east through covert ops. The powers have to break the radical govts of the world to have their OWG and NWO.

[hello fromWarsaw]

Overt ops- Obama's speech in Cairo, and the internet. You have ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE, that's adventurist chickenhawk pubcrappe you're confusing, and that's to KEEP dictators in power, or put them there. When you get the facts right and ignore the Fox/pub BS then you might become a liberal.

[burnsattornincan]

Your the one who is attempting to pin the problems on particular group.

Sorry but I don't need to "attempt". It is fact and just like I thought you have no response. What "personal attack" are you talking about? I didn't call you a name or anything of the sort. You keep on with your subtle suggestions my views should be silenced so don't be surprised I'm not going to be your best friend.

[burnsattornincan]

When you get the facts right and ignore the Fox/pub BS then you might become a liberal.

Alright warsaw, for a laugh just what "facts" are you talking about? Looking back on page 2 and reading your string of riddles I think it would be safe to say some people have no clue what you're trying to say. I surely don't anyway. So "pubs" caused the depression. Well they're not much better than dems so you're half right there. The Tea Party is the best hope for the restoration of ethical and responsible government.

[hello fromWarsaw]

Pubs deregulate, lie, cheat and steal , forever. They are corporate tools, and you're their fool. Turn off Fox and Rush, watch PBS and networks for real news. Eisenhauer was the only good pub president, and he was an independant and apologized for and warned about the military/industrial complex. Voodoo economics only bloats the rich and squashes the non rich. Everything you know is wrong. Start there...

[burnsattornincan]

Ok, thanks.

[hello fromWarsaw]

No hassle

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Intervention is hardly a Republican idea. The whole notion of the projection of power began with Theodore Roosevelt-- a progressive. It manifested in the Great White Fleet and intervention into World War I under Woodrow "let's segregate the military" Wilson. We saw it again during Korea (the notable exception is WWII because we were actually attacked, and Japan & Germany were allied-- hence the war in Europe as well as the Pacific), and who could forget LBJ's war in Vietnam? Lebannon, Grenada, Kuwait/Iraq, Kosovo, Iraq no fly zone, and on and on. It's high time we took actually defending ourselves MORE seriously, and then butt out of these other distractions.

[hello fromWarsaw]

McKinley and TR were Pubs. TR was against monopolies but thought getting omnibus drivers' days below 16 hrs. was "communistic"... ;D

LBJ was overt, Nixon was covert, and his "secret plan" for Nam was BS to get elected. Pubs covert stuff in Latin America, Chile, Iran they still haven't sworn off. The cold war is over.

[hello fromWarsaw]

And Pub domestic policy is just as horrible.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

This isn't a partisan thread. Attempts at partisanship are silly on this issue.

[zipity]

You take a action that is , in my opinion, important for our safety in flying and make light of , trivialize, over react on

I rest my case.

children being used by fanatics

LINK!!! How many times has this happened here in the US? Sorry, they guys who landed on Normandy beach...they were Americans, people who can't feel safe flying without having a minimally trained TSA agent view our children using back scatter devices...certainly not in the same class. Just to be clear, if the terrorist makes it to the airport we've already lost. If al qaeda had really had the assets in place to threaten air travelers, you and 200 other people would be killed while waiting in line to have your privates groped.

One is able to be done, the other is not and the history of the act has shown the air travel portion has been used numerous times for high jacking, bombings and of course the 9/11.

On 9/11 terrorist were successful on 3 out of 4 aircraft, on the 4th their plans were stopped by patriots who said "Enough already". Since then travelers have stopped the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber, the TSA has not stopped anyone.

Authorities have said necessary, then it's necessary

Just like WMDs in Iraq and how did that work out?

As the dangers increase , new laws and rules come into place to keep pace with the new dangers. For me, go to it. I'll let you know when I feel they have gone to far, with my screams, "Enough already" We haven't even come close to that yet.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Give up the Bill of Rights...never.

[deziloooooo]

Mar 7, 2011 0:19:02 GMT -5 zipity said:

You take a action that is , in my opinion, important for our safety in flying and make light of , trivialize, over react on

I rest my case.



LINK!!! How many times has this happened here in the US? Sorry, they guys who landed on Normandy beach...they were Americans, people who can't feel safe flying without having a minimally trained TSA agent view our children using back scatter devices...certainly not in the same class. Just to be clear, if the terrorist makes it to the airport we've already lost. If al qaeda had really had the assets in place to threaten air travelers, you and 200 other people would be killed while waiting in line to have your privates groped.



On 9/11 terrorist were successful on 3 out of 4 aircraft, on the 4th their plans were stopped by patriots who said "Enough already". Since then travelers have stopped the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber, the TSA has not stopped anyone.



Just like WMDs in Iraq and how did that work out?

As the dangers increase , new laws and rules come into place to keep pace with the new dangers. For me, go to it. I'll let you know when I feel they have gone to far, with my screams, "Enough already" We haven't even come close to that yet.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Give up the Bill of Rights...never.

" Oh say can you see.....

[reasonfreedom]

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110307/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_libya

Getting closer we are. That humanitarian aid is already supporting the war in libya. The citizens are supporting the rebels and with humanitarian aid you are supporting the rebels with less cost to their part of the war. In the article it shows that Obaman and the UN are still considering military action. You know if the Gad man keeps on doing air strikes that we will end up going in. If the Middle east countries keep this up, we will have invaded most of the middle east and all we would have to do is say we own all of your land...... MUHAHAHAHAHHA. Obama is keeping the Bush tradition going, if he keeps it up I will take back my statement of Bush jr. being the worst president ever. All of those spending cuts we are planning will be made up in care of Libya lol.

[deziloooooo]

Mar 7, 2011 12:28:50 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110307/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_libya

Getting closer we are. That humanitarian aid is already supporting the war in libya. The citizens are supporting the rebels and with humanitarian aid you are supporting the rebels with less cost to their part of the war. In the article it shows that Obaman and the UN are still considering military action. You know if the Gad man keeps on doing air strikes that we will end up going in. If the Middle east countries keep this up, we will have invaded most of the middle east and all we would have to do is say we own all of your land...... MUHAHAHAHAHHA. Obama is keeping the Bush tradition going, if he keeps it up I will take back my statement of Bush jr. being the worst president ever. All of those spending cuts we are planning will be made up in care of Libya lol.

Not saying your wrong but a thing a POTUS has to consider, any POTUS, and what is being suggested here is that in Libya, which is a tribal state, the importance of the tribe one belongs to is important , and there are a few very strong ones and then less important and powerful ones too.
That al Quida is so strong in Yemen , and many of those who belong to it , are active in the organization , supposedly are Libyans , and it is being suggested that Libya could be a new home for Al Quida. Not saying it will happen, but these are the things that are brought to a POTUS, so when we here, me too, not just you , say we shouldn't what ever, he/ she doesn't have that luxury.

[privateinvestor]

Mar 7, 2011 12:28:50 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110307/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_libya

Getting closer we are. That humanitarian aid is already supporting the war in libya. The citizens are supporting the rebels and with humanitarian aid you are supporting the rebels with less cost to their part of the war. In the article it shows that Obaman and the UN are still considering military action. You know if the Gad man keeps on doing air strikes that we will end up going in. If the Middle east countries keep this up, we will have invaded most of the middle east and all we would have to do is say we own all of your land...... MUHAHAHAHAHHA. Obama is keeping the Bush tradition going, if he keeps it up I will take back my statement of Bush jr. being the worst president ever. All of those spending cuts we are planning will be made up in care of Libya lol.

We also don't know what the CIA is doing in Libya...or our Military Spec Ops who you can believe are active in providing more than just intel...IMHO

[reasonfreedom]

Mar 7, 2011 12:52:59 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Mar 7, 2011 12:28:50 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110307/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_libya

Getting closer we are. That humanitarian aid is already supporting the war in libya. The citizens are supporting the rebels and with humanitarian aid you are supporting the rebels with less cost to their part of the war. In the article it shows that Obaman and the UN are still considering military action. You know if the Gad man keeps on doing air strikes that we will end up going in. If the Middle east countries keep this up, we will have invaded most of the middle east and all we would have to do is say we own all of your land...... MUHAHAHAHAHHA. Obama is keeping the Bush tradition going, if he keeps it up I will take back my statement of Bush jr. being the worst president ever. All of those spending cuts we are planning will be made up in care of Libya lol.

Not saying your wrong but a thing a POTUS has to consider, any POTUS, and what is being suggested here is that in Libya, which is a tribal state, the importance of the tribe one belongs to is important , and there are a few very strong ones and then less important and powerful ones too.
That al Quida is so strong in Yemen , and many of those who belong to it , are active in the organization , supposedly are Libyans , and it is being suggested that Libya could be a new home for Al Quida. Not saying it will happen, but these are the things that are brought to a POTUS, so when we here, me too, not just you , say we shouldn't what ever, he/ she doesn't have that luxury.

Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't the al quida agents involved in 9/11 from Saudi? With the whole association philosphy, shouldn't we get involved with them too? I am sure there are agents here too, so maybe we should get involved with ourselves?

[deziloooooo]

Mar 7, 2011 12:58:57 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Mar 7, 2011 12:28:50 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110307/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_libya

Getting closer we are. That humanitarian aid is already supporting the war in libya. The citizens are supporting the rebels and with humanitarian aid you are supporting the rebels with less cost to their part of the war. In the article it shows that Obaman and the UN are still considering military action. You know if the Gad man keeps on doing air strikes that we will end up going in. If the Middle east countries keep this up, we will have invaded most of the middle east and all we would have to do is say we own all of your land...... MUHAHAHAHAHHA. Obama is keeping the Bush tradition going, if he keeps it up I will take back my statement of Bush jr. being the worst president ever. All of those spending cuts we are planning will be made up in care of Libya lol.

We also don't know what the CIA is doing in Libya...or our Military Spec Ops who you can believe are active in providing more than just intel...IMHO

If they are there, hope the fare better then the UK SAS team, eight of them sent in to protect a low level diplomat who was sent in to find out who is who and arrange a meeting, if he/she could identify leaders in the insurgent group with a higher ranking diplomat.
They were all taken into custody and actually, as well trained as they are and ours too, since they are trying to make contact and if being found out, how effective they are is unimportant , unless some one thinks fighting those who they are trying to contact is the way to win friends and influence people.
From what I read, the insurgents want no help, physically, troops on the ground, they want to do it themselves though they would like help against Gaddafi's Air forces..a no fly zone, destroying his air force but that is harder to do then thought with out getting into actual attacks on Gaddafi ground defense forces and that means your going to war, taking a active roll.
This is not a simple easy solution here, no matter what some suggest it would be.

[privateinvestor]

Col Gaddafi's blames the civil war in Libya on al Qaeda and most say he is nuts but who knows?? They could be very well involved but our President has been staying away from communing too much on this subject except to say Qaddafi has to go...


BTW I would not be too surprised to learn that our CIA has provided the Libyan rebels with electronics to warn them of Gaddafi's air planes and helicopters in lieu of NO FLY Zones....just a hunch..

[reasonfreedom]

Yeah, well I blame Al Qaeda on me not winning the lottery. I know they have some indirect influence on it.

[privateinvestor]

Mar 7, 2011 13:18:42 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

Yeah, well I blame Al Qaeda on me not winning the lottery. I know they have some indirect influence on it.

The longer this civil war in Libya lasts the more involved other Muslims who hate Qaddafi will be involved including the Saudis, and al Qaeda.. and in the meantime we can all speculate here and worry about the price of gasoline.....which is a bummer our here on the not so Golden State of the USA.....now called the Lefties Coast.

[hello fromWarsaw]

Actually, speculators and the bought off Pubs who protect them ARE the problem here. There's plenty of oil around.

[deziloooooo]

Mar 8, 2011 22:14:01 GMT -5 @patstab said:

I say stay out of it also, we don't need involved in any more wars. Unless it effects us right here, let it go. It's time Europe and the middle east stood on their own and fix their mess in their own playhouse instead of using us as the patsy. Heaven help us a bunch of us agree with each other.

If they gave the OK and also participated, I could see us helping out with the carriers but it seems opposition , they gave him 72 hours to leave, with family, not look to extradite him for crimes AND allow him to keep the wealth, I hear Billions have been found, think they should negotiate a bit there..some billions OK, how much does one need , but hear he has so many ...

[deziloooooo]

With Gaddafi bringing his forces into attacking the opposition, the people of the country, this is a important event that might decide of we get involved her or not. It is also interesting and important that "France" seems to be changing it's tune and also is wanting regime change and might be supportive of a joint military action against gaddafi, up to know, they were against such action.
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France has become the first major European power to recognise the rebel council as the legitimate government


Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, is to meet with leaders of Libya's opposition council during a trip to the Middle East next week, she has told US lawmakers.

Clinton's statement of intent comes as France on Thursday became the first major European country to recognise Libya's opposition National Council based in Benghazi as the country's legitimate representative.

"We are reaching out to the opposition inside and outside of Libya," Clinton said while announcing her trip to Tunisia and Egypt.

"I will be meeting with some of those figures, both in the United States and when I travel next week, to discuss what more the United States and others can do," she said.

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US Secretary of State Clinton said her government
was engaged in efforts to force an end to the
violence in Libya


The opposition council is led by Mustafa Abdel Jalil, the former justice minister, who resigned soon after the Libyan government began a violent crackdown on protesters in February.

Earlier, Gene Cretz, the US Ambassador to Libya met with opponents of the government led by Muammar Gaddafi.

"We are engaging a wide range of leaders, and those who both understand and can potentially influence events in Libya," State Department spokesman Philip Crowley told reporters on Tuesday.

Clinton on Thursday also asserted that there was a need for international consensus on any intervention in Libya, and that a unilateral move by the United States could have "unforseeable" consequences"
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