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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 5, 2011 15:05:03 GMT -5
Humanitarian aid, aside from being ............uhm humanitarian, may have positive results. If the people of Libya succeed in overthrowing Qaddafi, we may want them to think kindly of the US. The question I have is if we do give Humanitarian aid. What happens if Americans get killed? Do we send in our military then? Is it our own fault that people died from the humanitarian aid? If we send in our military and set Libya free from Qaddafi's reign, will we have another group of terrorist born from Qaddafi's regime that wants revenge? Just asking
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 5, 2011 15:06:17 GMT -5
If the people of Libya do, indeed, succeed in getting rid of Gadhafi, that would be the time for us to offer humanitarian aid, and try to help them bring their country together ... as long as we can resist the temptation to insist that it be a country that meets our expectations rather than theirs. That sounds reasonable to me as long as we get payed for the aid in the reduction of oil cost or something like that.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 5, 2011 15:25:47 GMT -5
The question I have is if we do give Humanitarian aid. What happens if Americans get killed? Need to accept that there is risk. Do we send in our military then? No. Is it our own fault that people died from the humanitarian aid? Died delivering? Died from tainted food?If we send in our military and set Libya free from Qaddafi's reign, will we have another group of terrorist born from Qaddafi's regime that wants revenge?Yes, that is one reason it is a bad idea.Just asking
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Post by burnsattornincan on Mar 5, 2011 17:37:34 GMT -5
Do you hate America and its tenets that much? You really want to destroy this country?
What the hell are you talking about. I'm saying that anyone the government "knows" who is involved in any way with terrorism against the United States should be deported immediately. Do you know how many strongly suspected terrorists there are but the government can't do anything about it because of the myriad of litigation they have to go through mostly due to the Bill of Rights? A good part of the recent Constitutional amendments only protect people who are enemies of the United States. You cannot fight this war while having both hands tied behind your back. It is time to break out beyond the cloud of "human rights" and all the other liberal policies terrorists and ones who aid them hide behind. Paul is probably right that it will take an enormous situation before any serious action is taken to protect real Americans.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2011 17:43:23 GMT -5
And if the government "knows" you are involved with terrorism? You don't have any right to defend yourself... just pick life imprisonment or a plane ticket out?
Weren't several people held at Gitmo found to NOT be terrorists?
You think the government never picks up someone innocent? You think you want a government that doesn't have to PROVE someone is guilty ? And isn't accountable for its actions?
And then they came for me....
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 5, 2011 17:55:03 GMT -5
Do you hate America and its tenets that much? You really want to destroy this country?] What the hell are you talking about. Here is exactly what I think he is talking about: ... the government can't do anything about it because of the myriad of litigation they have to go through mostly due to the Bill of Rights? ... There are many here who actually believe it is a good thing that the government can't do unless they stay with the confines of the Bill of Rights.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 5, 2011 18:29:35 GMT -5
I'll raise my hand. I'm certainly one of those many, bill.
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Post by marjar on Mar 5, 2011 18:45:16 GMT -5
Humanitarian aid, aside from being ............uhm humanitarian, may have positive results. If the people of Libya succeed in overthrowing Qaddafi, we may want them to think kindly of the US. The question I have is if we do give Humanitarian aid. What happens if Americans get killed? Do we send in our military then? Is it our own fault that people died from the humanitarian aid? If we send in our military and set Libya free from Qaddafi's reign, will we have another group of terrorist born from Qaddafi's regime that wants revenge? Just asking Western leaders focused on humanitarian aid instead of military intervention, and the Italian naval vessel Libra left from Catania, Sicily, for the rebel-held port of Benghazi in eastern Libya, with 25 tons of emergency aid, including milk, rice, blankets, emergency generators, water purifying devices and tents. It is due to arrive early Monday. If other nations offer aid and we don't, it could look less than charitable on our part.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 5, 2011 18:55:04 GMT -5
Gaddafi "has got to go" but the situation is fluid. Thankfully Obama's in charge and not chickenhawk adventurist pubs.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 5, 2011 18:57:59 GMT -5
Gaddafi "has got to go" but the situation is fluid. Thankfully Obama's in charge and not chickenhawk adventurist pubs.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 5, 2011 19:06:26 GMT -5
If a pub was in charge, strangely the first protestors would be dead and gone already, just to keep oil prices down. Sorry you've been duped, and don't know history.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 5, 2011 19:12:50 GMT -5
If a pub was in charge, strangely all those protestors would be be dead and gone already, just to keep oil prices down. Sorry you've been duped, and don't know history. What history are you telling me about?
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 5, 2011 19:25:12 GMT -5
the last 60 years in the ME is all...duh
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 5, 2011 19:41:59 GMT -5
the last 60 years in the ME is all...duh oh JFK, LBJ, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton - those pubs?
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 5, 2011 20:14:18 GMT -5
Nope. But they were pushed. But the Cold War is over, now it's the information age. Pubs haven't got the memo.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 5, 2011 20:17:07 GMT -5
Nope. But they were pushed. But the Cold War is over, now it's the information age. Pubs haven't got the memo. But they were pushed By whom? and what are you trying to say?
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 5, 2011 20:42:46 GMT -5
I'm saying Pubs have held this country back forever. Loudmouth chickenhawks corporate tools and their dupes...TY.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 5, 2011 21:00:40 GMT -5
I'm saying Pubs have held this country back forever. Loudmouth chickenhawks corporate tools and their dupes...TY. Held this country back from what?
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Post by marjar on Mar 5, 2011 21:06:42 GMT -5
OTTAWA, March 2 (Xinhua) -- Canada is delivering up to 5 million Canadian dollars (about 5.1 million U.S. dollars) in emergency aid to Libya, Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced Wednesday.
He told the House of Commons that the money will be used for food, shelter and medical assistance during Libya's ongoing crisis.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 5, 2011 21:42:32 GMT -5
Fairness , justice, solutions kinda thing.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 5, 2011 21:45:18 GMT -5
Fairness , justice, solutions kinda thing. and our current CinC is doing so much better?
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 5, 2011 22:02:35 GMT -5
Yes. :)Solid front against Iran, fall of dictators, getting out of wars, even in another Pub Depression. Averted the Depression, biggest social improvement ever. Pubs now digging a hole for themselves...
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Mar 5, 2011 23:52:25 GMT -5
Let the EU and Arab League handle it.
Best answer yet.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 6, 2011 11:00:52 GMT -5
VONNIE!!! Give it up already woman, heard of Einstein's definition of insanity lol( Just looking out for your best interest ). He basically is saying that the PUBS own him and the demos. If what he says is right, the pubs will always pwn him. He is like a chained up man in a soundproof room screaming "Oppression" at the top of his lungs. lol
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 6, 2011 11:03:55 GMT -5
The question I have is if we do give Humanitarian aid. What happens if Americans get killed? Do we send in our military then? Is it our own fault that people died from the humanitarian aid? If we send in our military and set Libya free from Qaddafi's reign, will we have another group of terrorist born from Qaddafi's regime that wants revenge? Just asking Western leaders focused on humanitarian aid instead of military intervention, and the Italian naval vessel Libra left from Catania, Sicily, for the rebel-held port of Benghazi in eastern Libya, with 25 tons of emergency aid, including milk, rice, blankets, emergency generators, water purifying devices and tents. It is due to arrive early Monday. If other nations offer aid and we don't, it could look less than charitable on our part. If I am right Marjar, I would believe that our county probably is one of the top countries for giving aid(heck we give 2% of our GDP out for aid every year). Seriously if we look bad for not giving aid, then those people are just looking for a reason to hate America. If they are thinking this way, I personally don't care what their voice says.
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Post by zipity on Mar 6, 2011 11:52:02 GMT -5
Do you hate America and its tenets that much? You really want to destroy this country?What the hell are you talking about. I'm saying that anyone the government "knows" who is involved in any way with terrorism against the United States should be deported immediately. Do you know how many strongly suspected terrorists there are but the government can't do anything about it because of the myriad of litigation they have to go through mostly due to the Bill of Rights? A good part of the recent Constitutional amendments only protect people who are enemies of the United States. You cannot fight this war while having both hands tied behind your back. It is time to break out beyond the cloud of "human rights" and all the other liberal policies terrorists and ones who aid them hide behind. Paul is probably right that it will take an enormous situation before any serious action is taken to protect real Americans. So let me see if I understand, all we have to do is deport the Bill of Rights and we can win the war on terror? Why don't we just abolish the constitution all together. Certainly if we make this country a place where no one wants to live, a place worse than your average middle eastern country then maybe the terrorists will leave us alone..that pretty much sum it up? Here's a thought, how about we just deport all the 'real Americans' who feel the only way to protect their poor little selves is to destroy the fabric of this nation. It's cowardly little wus bags that have brought us the TSA and mama home land security. If more Americans behaved like the patriots who died on United flight 93 terrorists would realized that there is no way they can harm the US. Instead we dishonor those patriots by spending billions each year to strip search granny and take naked photos of children trying to get on an airplane. Enough already, stand up, straighten out your panties and act like an American.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Mar 6, 2011 11:56:04 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder why I even bother. I keep giving you viable options on how to stop wasting trillions of dollars and all you do is scoff at them. It is as if you want to crash and burn. Look at the USD. It is sinking, slowly but surely. I had thought there might come a point where it would debase abruptly overnight but it looks like it might just slowly die little by little over the next couple of years. I hope you had fun over the last 50 years or so. Now all the expensive liberal policies (rife with corruption) will need to be paid for.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 6, 2011 12:36:01 GMT -5
"Sometimes I wonder why I even bother.", now your getting it, so are you going to give it a rest? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Instead we dishonor those patriots by spending billions each year to strip search granny and take naked photos of children trying to get on an airplane" ------------------------------------------------------------------- You take a action that is , in my opinion, important for our safety in flying and make light of , trivialize, over react on , to try and prove a point that has you missing the point. Granny is not being stripped searched , unless she acts like a idiot and gives the inspectors a reason to suspect her. Grannies and Grand Dads can also be angry fanatics as well as children being used by fanatics who have no qualms in causing deaths to all classes of people, sexes , age groups. Why airplanes and not mass transit travelers. One is able to be done, the other is not and the history of the act has shown the air travel portion has been used numerous times for high jacking, bombings and of course the 9/11. Authorities have said necessary, then it's necessary and as one who flies a few times a year, not as I did, I have absolutely no problem , in fact would be up set if they were done away with, with the procedures that they have in place and as they update the procedures as new technology comes into being, go for it. Patriot act the same thing. I recognize there are forces out there who want to do us harm. I feel my rights are secure but have no problem if those who are charged to defend us have the tools to do that job better. This is nothing new, In some form or another , it has been done before, when ever we have been under a threat, by the government. That goes back to the Revolution, the hanging of the British Spy, was it Major Anders, hung as a spy by us when caught wit the plans of West Point from Arnold, and I am sure there were other such events back then, to the Civil, 1st, second WWars , FBI investigations, German sympathizers, the extreme case of interning Japanese Americans because of a perceived 5th column threat to th nation, up to the present times. As the dangers increase , new laws and rules come into place to keep pace with the new dangers. For me, go to it. I'll let you know when I feel they have gone to far, with my screams, "Enough already" We haven't even come close to that yet.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Mar 6, 2011 14:13:43 GMT -5
For me, go to it. I'll let you know when I feel they have gone to far, with my screams, "Enough already"
Oh goody, we're all just going to hang on the edge of our seats waiting for you to universally declare the government has gone too far. Like anyone gives shit.
So fill me in on what "grannies and grand dads" have hijacked an airplane and/or blew it up killing all in their wake. Since I know what your answer will be (you'll have none) I'll give you a slightly easier assignment. Tell us what non follower of Islam has done the same. Now get to it. /Dalton
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 6, 2011 15:00:43 GMT -5
Reason- what a laugh!- our foreign aid per capita is much lower than other modern countries, and half of it goes to Israel and Egypt or military aid- you are totally clueless, and re #55, a sorely misled Pub Dupe/troll. But thanks for the psychobabble. Try facts.
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