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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 12:47:13 GMT -5
I know it's just a cheesy comedy (although I love Seth Rogan), but I'm seriously pissed off that we let a ruthless prick of a dictator from another country decide what Americans can watch. Sony, a Japanese company let a North Korean ruthless prick of a dictator decide what American's can watch. We should drop another nuke on Japan for this. What I heard (and I haven't read anything on it today) was that the major US theaters were all refusing to show it, so Sony decided to pull.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Dec 18, 2014 12:49:20 GMT -5
Sony, a Japanese company let a North Korean ruthless prick of a dictator decide what American's can watch. We should drop another nuke on Japan for this. What I heard (and I haven't read anything on it today) was that the major US theaters were all refusing to show it, so Sony decided to pull. Yup. spineless Japanese executives.
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Post by Opti on Dec 18, 2014 12:53:39 GMT -5
While Sony pulled the plug and is probably figuring out what they will do with the film next year, the pull was related to theatre and Comcast decisions.
The Department of Homeland Security dismissed the terrorist threat as lacking credibility. But theater operators nonetheless asked Sony on Tuesday to delay the film’s opening, planned for Dec. 25, out of concern that the threats would depress box office sales across the industry during the critical holiday season. When Sony declined, the theaters decided Wednesday morning that they wouldn’t play the movie until the Federal Bureau of Investigation completed its probe of the matter, and maybe not even then.
The theaters that by Wednesday had opted out of playing the movie included Regal Entertainment Group, AMC Entertainment Holdings Inc., Cinemark Holdings Inc. and Carmike Cinemas Inc. Cineplex Entertainment LP, the largest exhibitor in Canada with more than 1,600 screens, also said it was postponing “The Interview.” Smaller chains followed suit throughout the day.
The Sony Corp. studio’s 11th-hour decision, unprecedented in the modern movie business, came after the nation’s largest theater chains all said they wouldn’t play the raunchy Seth Rogen farce set in North Korea. Sony executives briefly considered alternative options, including releasing it only via video-on-demand or on television, said a person at the studio. As of Wednesday evening, Sony Pictures had “no further release plans for the film,” said a spokesman.
Comcast Corp. , the nation’s largest cable provider, doesn’t want to offer the movie on-demand due to its political sensitivity, said a person familiar with the company’s thinking.
www.wsj.com/articles/sony-cancels-release-of-the-interview-us-blames-pyongyang-for-hack-1418844906?tesla=y&mod=LS1
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 18, 2014 13:16:16 GMT -5
I know it's just a cheesy comedy (although I love Seth Rogan), but I'm seriously pissed off that we let a ruthless prick of a dictator from another country decide what Americans can watch. Actually he didn't decide. It appears he did announce that there was potentially a property damage consequence if you chose to show it and deadly consequence if you chose to view it. Theater owners decided not to show it. Choices have consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 13:20:50 GMT -5
I know it's just a cheesy comedy (although I love Seth Rogan), but I'm seriously pissed off that we let a ruthless prick of a dictator from another country decide what Americans can watch. Actually he didn't decide. It appears he did announce that there was potentially a property damage consequence if you chose to show it and deadly consequence if you chose to view it. Theater owners decided not to show it. Choices have consequences. Ok, so I'm mad that we let fear of him decide. It's now on my list of movies to see in the theatre and I NEVER go to the theater.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Dec 18, 2014 13:22:01 GMT -5
Actually he didn't decide. It appears he did announce that there was potentially a property damage consequence if you chose to show it and deadly consequence if you chose to view it. Theater owners decided not to show it. Choices have consequences. Ok, so I'm mad that we let fear of him decide. It's now on my list of movies to see in the theatre and I NEVER go to the theater. More evidence that this whole thing is a SONY marketing blitz for a subpar movie.
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Post by Opti on Dec 18, 2014 13:29:33 GMT -5
Ok, so I'm mad that we let fear of him decide. It's now on my list of movies to see in the theatre and I NEVER go to the theater. More evidence that this whole thing is a SONY marketing blitz for a subpar movie. Nah, just data for a subpar post.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Dec 18, 2014 13:30:02 GMT -5
More evidence that this whole thing is a SONY marketing blitz for a subpar movie. Nah, just data for a subpar post. MPL never makes a subpar post.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 14:35:52 GMT -5
This is an assault on free speech and we bent over.
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Post by workpublic on Dec 18, 2014 14:38:04 GMT -5
Another NK movie by Steve carrel has also been shelved.
At this point. What difference does it make? ;-)
So its OK by our govt for foreigners yo make terroristic threats, not OK for American Patriots to do it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 14:41:28 GMT -5
Another NK movie by Steve carrel has also been shelved. At this point. What difference does it make? ;-) So its OK by our govt for foreigners yo make terroristic threats, not OK for American Patriots to do it? I understand North Korea also has pictures/billboards showing US soldiers in a bad away and that's cool, but someone takes a shot at them and they cry about it. They didn't care about team America world police?
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 18, 2014 17:49:39 GMT -5
... So its OK by our govt for foreigners yo make terroristic threats, not OK for American Patriots to do it? So our government said it was okay? Got a link for that?
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Post by marvholly on Dec 19, 2014 6:16:57 GMT -5
IMHO Sony would be bitten where they sit no matter which way they chose to go. I suspect it will have lingering effects for a LOOONG time on their bottom line.
I actually had NO plans to see this movie at any time as I am not a fan of the major actors. However, now I am sort of interested. Not enough to drop $15 if it is ever released but enough to rent the DVD or go to a 2nd tier movie house.
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Post by justme on Dec 19, 2014 8:13:02 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 19, 2014 8:34:26 GMT -5
IMHO Sony would be bitten where they sit no matter which way they chose to go. I suspect it will have lingering effects for a LOOONG time on their bottom line. I actually had NO plans to see this movie at any time as I am not a fan of the major actors. However, now I am sort of interested. Not enough to drop $15 if it is ever released but enough to rent the DVD or go to a 2nd tier movie house. I would still like to see the movie if Sony released it. I also don't believe Sony should benefit from any of the profits should they change their mind and release the film to theaters, premium cable TV or DVD. Sony does not deserve to make a profit after pulling it from any means of viewing it. It was a cowardly act on their part. Earnings generated should go to charity, a charity not of Sony's choice.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 19, 2014 9:09:55 GMT -5
Just think, the North Korean hackers are amateurs compared to the NSA!
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Dec 19, 2014 9:54:54 GMT -5
This is an assault on free speech and we bent over. If you are worried about free speech you don't have to go any farther than this forum in which I had a post, on this very thread, deleted by the Dear Leaders of the MSN Refugees!
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 19, 2014 10:11:44 GMT -5
Timeline:
At one point in time, someone had the idea for this film. At one point in time, someone (s) wrote the script. At one point in time, someone (s) funded the film. At one point in time, the film was made. At one point in time, someone (s) announced release of the film and started advertising it. Then the fun started.
The question I have: Is this a question of free speech or did someone yell " FIRE" in a crowded theater?
Or might it be a question of just because you can say it, should you say it?
Personally, I think it was a poor decision way back in that timeline.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Dec 19, 2014 10:14:06 GMT -5
no one pulled the movie "Death of a President". In fact, it won awards.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 19, 2014 10:27:25 GMT -5
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Post by Opti on Dec 19, 2014 10:29:38 GMT -5
Timeline: At one point in time, someone had the idea for this film. At one point in time, someone (s) wrote the script. At one point in time, someone (s) funded the film. At one point in time, the film was made. At one point in time, someone (s) announced release of the film and started advertising it. Then the fun started. The question I have: Is this a question of free speech or did someone yell " FIRE" in a crowded theater? Or might it be a question of just because you can say it, should you say it? Personally, I think it was a poor decision way back in that timeline. It can be looked at many ways including free speech issue and as a series of business decisions. From what I have read Sony anticipated problems as early as June of this year.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 19, 2014 10:36:17 GMT -5
Timeline: At one point in time, someone had the idea for this film. At one point in time, someone (s) wrote the script. At one point in time, someone (s) funded the film. At one point in time, the film was made. At one point in time, someone (s) announced release of the film and started advertising it. Then the fun started. The question I have: Is this a question of free speech or did someone yell " FIRE" in a crowded theater? Or might it be a question of just because you can say it, should you say it? Personally, I think it was a poor decision way back in that timeline. It can be looked at many ways including free speech issue and as a series of business decisions. From what I have read Sony anticipated problems as early as June of this year.
I think someone should have anticipated problems long before June of this year.
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Post by Opti on Dec 19, 2014 10:36:52 GMT -5
no one pulled the movie "Death of a President". In fact, it won awards. Read Tenn's link. It was pulled from wide distribution and only went to a handful of independent theatres. Explains why I had never heard of it until now.
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Post by Opti on Dec 19, 2014 10:38:19 GMT -5
It can be looked at many ways including free speech issue and as a series of business decisions. From what I have read Sony anticipated problems as early as June of this year.
I think someone should have anticipated problems long before June of this year. I agree. I'm surprised no studio exec insisted that the assassination had to be of a fictional character possibly in a fictional country.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 19, 2014 12:03:40 GMT -5
I can't condone hacking, but one does have to admire the North Koreans for getting the job done. Even if it's just delaying the release of a satirical movie, they proved they can (and will) effectively prosecute businesses that attack their interests.
You might say they earned a bit of "street cred".
As for everyone aghast that Sony wouldn't take a bullet for free speech: why would they?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 13:34:32 GMT -5
I can't condone hacking, but one does have to admire the North Koreans for getting the job done. Even if it's just delaying the release of a satirical movie, they proved they can (and will) effectively prosecute businesses that attack their interests. You might say they earned a bit of "street cred". As for everyone aghast that Sony wouldn't take a bullet for free speech: why would they? I wouldn't say aghast, from the people that wouldn't have went to see it because of the threats, to the theaters that wouldn't show it, to the distributor that wouldn't release it. The collective essentially bent to the will of a a regime that didn't want made fun of. For two of three of those it was a $$$ decision. I was looking forward to seeing it xmas day.
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Post by Opti on Dec 19, 2014 13:48:12 GMT -5
Its more significant than that. Its a live action movie about killing North Korea's current leader.
I don't see the old TV show "That's My Bush!" and burning pictures of him in effigy as both making fun of him. The TV show is making fun of him, the latter is usually a threat against his person.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 19, 2014 13:53:04 GMT -5
I can't condone hacking, but one does have to admire the North Koreans for getting the job done. Even if it's just delaying the release of a satirical movie, they proved they can (and will) effectively prosecute businesses that attack their interests. You might say they earned a bit of "street cred". As for everyone aghast that Sony wouldn't take a bullet for free speech: why would they? I wouldn't say aghast, from the people that wouldn't have went to see it because of the threats, to the theaters that wouldn't show it, to the distributor that wouldn't release it. The collective essentially bent to the will of a a regime that didn't want made fun of. For two of three of those it was a $$$ decision. I was looking forward to seeing it xmas day. You realize that the main embarrassment for Sony was leaked e-mails of the execs saying the movie is "desperately unfunny" and "doomed to flop"? I don't know why the theaters and distributors caved, but it's most likely i) because the movie is desperately unfunny and doomed to flop anyway, and ii) by bequest of Sony, with $$$ attached to the request. Why would Sony do this? I'm guessing probably because the North Koreans didn't release the worst of what they dug out of Sony's servers. Sony is interested in protecting their bottom line, even if that means paying off the distributors, etc., and I have no doubt that Sony bent to the demands of the North Korean hackers because it was indeed in the interest of their bottom line.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 13:55:57 GMT -5
Its more significant than that. Its a live action movie about killing North Korea's current leader.
I don't see the old TV show "That's My Bush!" and burning pictures of him in effigy as both making fun of him. The TV show is making fun of him, the latter is usually a threat against his person.
I don't think it is because it's satire, no one actually believes it isn't fiction. I watched a documentary on Netflix (can't remember name) where they have made many movies showing horrible things happening to US soldiers. In my view don't dish it out of you can't take it back.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 13:59:04 GMT -5
I wouldn't say aghast, from the people that wouldn't have went to see it because of the threats, to the theaters that wouldn't show it, to the distributor that wouldn't release it. The collective essentially bent to the will of a a regime that didn't want made fun of. For two of three of those it was a $$$ decision. I was looking forward to seeing it xmas day. You realize that the main embarrassment for Sony was leaked e-mails of the execs saying the movie is "desperately unfunny" and "doomed to flop"? I don't know why the theaters and distributors caved, but it's most likely i) because the movie is desperately unfunny and doomed to flop anyway, and ii) by bequest of Sony, with $$$ attached to the request. Why would Sony do this? I'm guessing probably because the North Koreans didn't release the worst of what they dug out of Sony's servers. Sony is interested in protecting their bottom line, even if that means paying off the distributors, etc., and I have no doubt that Sony bent to the demands of the North Korean hackers because it was indeed in the interest of their bottom line. I think Sony cancelled because the theaters chains cancelled. They were worried about people avoiding theaters completely that day. Honestly I don't blame them and probably would have made the same choice, but it still would be bending to their will and a blow to free speech.
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