Politically_Incorrect12
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Mar 4, 2011 8:57:06 GMT -5
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 4, 2011 12:23:07 GMT -5
Now they are acting like Democrats...
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Mar 4, 2011 12:24:51 GMT -5
...not... really... surprised...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2011 13:47:02 GMT -5
Achmablowjob said there was no holocaust, so it must be so, right? Those last few remaining survivors I see with tears on their faces and numbers on their arms are just lying, right?
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 4, 2011 13:58:28 GMT -5
That's quite unfortunate. There will come a time when some other country will ignore the Palestinian struggle and simply say it never happened. We all know the Holocaust occurred. We simply need to keeping pushing the truth.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 4, 2011 15:00:09 GMT -5
So now we're equating the "Palestinian struggle" to the Holocaust? And what are the Palestinians struggling for, anyway, besides what is in their national charter (the complete destruction of Israel and death of all Jews worldwide)?
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 4, 2011 15:42:50 GMT -5
It gets annoying that I have to post this over and over while the libs always pretend they never saw it. As if this will change your mind about your Palestianian "freedom fighters", but here it is: The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or Charter, given in full below. Following are highlights. "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory). "The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. " "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors." "After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying." You can read the entire charter here: www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 4, 2011 15:58:03 GMT -5
Hamas legally governs the PA, they were duly elected in an election overseen and certified by independent observers.
You support the PA, you support Hamas...
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 4, 2011 17:01:00 GMT -5
So now we're equating the "Palestinian struggle" to the Holocaust? And what are the Palestinians struggling for, anyway, besides what is in their national charter (the complete destruction of Israel and death of all Jews worldwide)? No ed , they don't want he 'facts of the Holocaust taught to their kids in the schools in Gaza, 200 schools , that the UN are running. They feel it deminishes the Palastinian struggle or something along those lines. They are also telling the kids if the teachers pass out literature , books, or even mention the subject they , children, should leave the class room. In case you don't know, " And what are the Palestinians struggling for, anyway," Their own seperate state/nation. Hamas charter calls for the destruction of Israel as a Jewish state, think they would be happy with the area as a one State, possible not called Israel, not a Jewish state and probably called Palastine and the majority to rule which would be Arab, the apalastinians who are no longer living there be allowed back in and possible get what they fel is their homes back and lands that they feel belongs to them. If they got that, possible not needed to kill all the Jews, then again..every month , on a Saturday night and on certain Holidays, possible a whole weekend of..who knows. Not going to happen, but my guess.. Actually ed , in a seriouse vein, I did put up a thread of a Palastinians idea of what he feels the PA should do and why that you might want to look at, and discuss, ot makes some good [points from their side, clear up a bit of cionfusiion as to who the two competing parties are in the Palastinian camp, gives a different slant on what might happen if it did happen. So far. very little interest in that thread, possible to confusing for the average reader here, when we have WI and the unions to discuss.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 4, 2011 17:12:26 GMT -5
I read your article dezi. It was a nice fantasy, but the reality is that the PA is governed and controlled by genocidal terrorists who hate Israel and the Jews more than they love their own children (hence the child suicide bombers they employ). Until that changes, nothing good will happen...if you support that type of behavior, that's your own problem, not mine...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2011 17:21:45 GMT -5
Actually, the reality ed, is that Hamas was elected because they were the only ones in the area providing for the poor, and primarily poor children... They developed an extensive social services network separate from the Palestinian government...
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 4, 2011 17:27:38 GMT -5
As I said, Hamas was legally elected to govern the PA, they freely chose this organization as their leaders. I'm not sure how that changes their status as a terrorist organization with a national charter that calls for genocide, however...
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 4, 2011 18:55:55 GMT -5
I read your article dezi. It was a nice fantasy, but the reality is that the PA is governed and controlled by genocidal terrorists who hate Israel and the Jews more than they love their own children (hence the child suicide bombers they employ). Until that changes, nothing good will happen...if you support that type of behavior, that's your own problem, not mine... Not a fantasy ed, a thoughtful expression of what the PA{Fatah} should do and why. They have foresworn the manifesto of Hamas , which is why the US, European countries and Israel are negotiaing with them. What manny feel in their hearts about jews, Zioest, israel, well one can't control that. Trust me the same toward Palastinians and Arabs is felt by many of the Jewish settlers, Israelis too. I wonder if you subscribe to the orthodox feekling that the Palastinians should be forceably removed to Jordan so the Jews / Israel can regain those two provinces that comprise the west bank, Judea and what ever the other one is called, that the bible says were to be part of the Jewish land called Israel.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 4, 2011 19:07:58 GMT -5
As I said, Hamas was legally elected to govern the PA, they freely chose this organization as their leaders. I'm not sure how that changes their status as a terrorist organization with a national charter that calls for genocide, however... As long as their charter and their intentions remain the same, destruction of, there will be no sitting down with them, thus the recognition of the PA by Israel and the US, there you are correct to have a group to talk with. Has Israel been up front and fair in its talks with them, there I have questions ..so possible, in frustrations of, Palestinians, majority just might turn completely to Hams and their goals and back to square one we go. It's been said that the Arabs, the Palestinians have continuously shot themselves in the foot as talks have gone on and had so many chances to get almost all they wanted, except the complete removal of Israel from the landscape and the removal of the State as a Jewish State/ Jewih homeland. I wonder if that has now been taken over by the Israeli's , the shooting themselves in their foot, as they have done a piss poor job of seriously looking for a solution to the two state solution and are now faced with who know's what. As I said, I have many questions.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 4, 2011 19:13:51 GMT -5
Why do you keep attacking the Palestinian peoples' right to free elections? They elected Hamas in 2006 to lead them, they rejected Fatah (which is also a terrorist organization, founded by Yasser Arafat). Fatah is essentially squatting in the West Bank, they have influence but no legal authority. The Palestinian people freely and legally elected Hamas, a genocidal terrorist organization, to represent them to the world. They should be treated accordingly...
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