Market Talk Code of Conduct

[Deleted]

I voted M2

Some of the material posted just goes way beyond what i deem as market related.....

But i actually like Mid's idea of having a section on the boards for those types of topics

Instead of conspiracy thread....call it " Skeptics R Us" where Mid, Decoy and others can post their theories without the tag of conspiracy getting in the way

Just an idea....

[Deleted]

Or maybe

" Fringe Thinking "

I believe they need an outlet to post, just not sure it belongs in Market Talk

[neohguy]

I agree gdgyva. If the board goes "everything goes" (M4) then the board will no longer have any topical focus. We become another EE board then. I voted M2 because it will also include some leeway for posters that are interested in conspiracy topics.

[Virgil Showlion]

From the looks of the voting so far, M3 seems like the likely compromise. A bit more open-ended than I'd like, but that's part of the evolution of these boards.

M3 includes all of the topics that Mid, Decoy, Kim Andrew, Maestro, and others are interested in presenting, at any rate.

And I'll again point out that even M2 is more inclusive than the standard on the old boards. The CFR and supranational currencies (e.g. the Amero) were off-limits on MT 1.0, for instance.

[z]

I think I screwed up on my vote for M3. I thought M2 was what we had at MT. I'm going to change mine to M2.

[Tesla_DC-meme]

Make mine an M1.
Allowing some off topic posting should keep things from getting too stilted and prosiac.
Howyever:
If posters are allowed to derail threads and the board with impudent content, both may become useless.


Hows about a proper Manifesto / Charter to define what Market Talk is supposed to be about?

[traelin0]

Just a thought, but for those who want M1, retract and change your votes before the polls close. Revote for M2 so that you at least have a good chance at not opening up the boards to Agenda 21 and REX-84. JMHO.

[Deleted]

Only 22 votes so far.....

How long will the polls stay open before this is decided?

With the Christmas holidays....not everyone is coming to the boards right now

[robinking]

Mid had a great idea for a compromise and Hamburger had a great point about hijacking threads. Discussing Bilderbergs and Trilateral stuff is related to world wide financial markets. Lizard people, porn and starting 10 seperate threads to push other threads down is ridiculous. I suggest we have a Conspiracy Theory thread, since I like the TV show. Mid, I know you think it demeans people who know some of these topics are no longer conspiracies but are in fact real. But, none the less, they are still perceived by the masses as conspiracies. Only through honest, thoughtful discussion can we increase awareness of these issues.

I say we give posters a wide birth, but if they go on and on in someone's well thought out thread, then boot them to the Conspiracy Theory thread. Example: if Hamburger has a thread about BP stock going to $90 by spring and is debating the merits of his prediction, why can't a poster bring up conspiracy information in the thread in one post? If the post is then diverted, then the option is to 1. move it to conspiracy or 2. allow the original poster to debunk the conspiracy. It's a rather slippery slope here. Allowing someone to discuss the conspiracy discuss may turn off an investor who is trying to bring technical data into the argument, but what if knowing all the information helps another investor?

I like the option we have of sending a personal email. If a thread seems to get a little out of hand, I suggest the mods send a personal warning. Tell the hijacker to continue the discussion on the Conspiracy Thread and have a link to it for further research from that thread.

[Virgil Showlion]

How long will the polls stay open before this is decided?

Friday this week--for exactly the reason you mention. People are going to be all over the place during the holidays.

Some of our regulars post from work. No work: no posts.

Consider it a gift. A full week to post whatever the heck you feel like (provided it doesn't violate the site-wide CoC).

[verrip1]

OOOHHHH. "All Content" has the lead. Breathtaking.













Ridiculous.

[The Virginian]

OOOHHHH. "All Content" has the lead. Breathtaking.

I take it you are not a fan of Free Speech!

[neohguy]

Dec 28, 2010 7:15:53 GMT -5 The Virginian said:

OOOHHHH. "All Content" has the lead. Breathtaking.

I take it you are not a fan of Free Speech!

Lol. The misuse of the term "free speech" has certainly been rampant lately. I guess you would accept somebody coming to your place of worship, standing up, and speaking for an hour about his favorite porn site. Not.
Voting on forum content is freedom. We are being given the choice of what type of subject matter we will be discussing. M4 would be a vote for everything from discussions about erectile dysfunction to how to raise earthworms.
Perhaps the M4 voters can explain to us if this is what they want.
Please don't misrepresent our right to free speech with deciding on message board content.

[Deleted]

So for those of you that want P4

Do you really want market talk chalked up with all that crap?

I mean i can handle the occasional thread from Mid or Decoy.....

But do we REALLY want to go beyond that?

How much is TOO much? where is the line in the sand drawn?

I am just a casual poster.....but going too far over the line WILL alienate a lot of people

[The Virginian]

Neohguy,

I actually voted M-3, not for all content but as I said before you have to tread carefully - just because some want nothing but what they consider to be Market Talk doesn't mean that others agree on what affects the Market and Economy. The lines are not black and white. I for one, get irritated with some for their rants but if we shut them out then we are limiting our own perspectives. I responded because I didn't like the fact that the previous poster was obviously ridiculing others for voicing their opinions. This person obviously doesn't want to hear anything other than what they personally believe in. This type of person is more dangerous in my mind.

[Deleted]

If you want to SEE what i am referring to, check the the Merry Christmas thread....especially the last few posts!

This is NOT related to market talk in any way....

And do we want threads littered with crap like that?

[neohguy]

Dec 28, 2010 9:28:40 GMT -5 The Virginian said:

Neohguy,

I actually voted M-3, not for all content but as I said before you have to tread carefully - just because some want nothing but what they consider to be Market Talk doesn't mean that others agree on what affects the Market and Economy. The lines are not black and white. I for one, get irritated with some for their rants but if we shut them out then we are limiting our own perspectives. I responded because I didn't like the fact that the previous poster was obviously ridiculing others for voicing their opinions. This person obviously doesn't want to hear anything other than what they personally believe in. This type of person is more dangerous in my mind.

Virginian,
I voted M2 but I understand the votes for M1 and M3. M0 through M3 are all voting for a market/economy/money board. M4 would include all sorts of topics about anything. TV shows, dating experiences, etc. I don't think the M4 voters really want that type of content. I hope to hear some M4 voters of what they are envisioning on a M4 board.

[Deleted]

I voted M2.

I would have voted for M1, but lowered the bar for some entertainment. “Everything Else” is a mouse click away – why go all-content?

I’m sure there are many people like myself who occasionally visited the MSN board, and rarely posted. When I joined this site – I kept an open mind. As Gdgyva pointed out – The Xmas thread exchange looks like the same old garbage. If that’s what everyone wants to read, so be it.

I work for a fortune 500 Company – my clients are NYSE listed – perhaps I’d post more if I thought readers on this new Board might actually be interested in reading posts by people who actually live it, rather than the self-proclaimed GooglEducated experts.

Too bad if this forum devolves into a joke - as I think there is a lot of quality worth sharing.

[Deleted]

For the others who have voted M3 or M4

Be careful of what you wish for......

You are seeing examples of it today.......

This will spiral out of control quickly under those COC rules

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I agree gdgyva. If the board goes "everything goes" (M4) then the board will no longer have any topical focus. We become another EE board then. I voted M2 because it will also include some leeway for posters that are interested in conspiracy topics.

I'll second that.

I see what you are saying Robin. If the topic can be brought up in a relevant way to investing sure. However, I think there should be zero tolerance on investing threads about how we are more or lees "brainwashed" because we don't believe the conspiracy stuff. Or have a different idea of how things played out.

Also I think how people ranting on about someone because they wont answer or agree with them should be grounds for dismissal

Wanted to add: good to see you made over T_M!

[ihearyou2]

I am discouraged by the flippant remarks of said moderator to humans of reptilian background. This should be an all inclusive forum that allows all posters whether human or otherwise to have a place to feel safe and can post without fear of being [glow=red,2,300]mocked or made fun of. [/glow]With that preamble concluded, I must vote for all topics being on the table.

[ihearyou2]

Oh yeah PS I have 20 dollars riding on my karma being higher then Virgil's on 1/31 (similar to the stock game except more complicated) so please hit me up, thanks.

[stayput]

Hopefully the results will end up M3, or even all content. The purists are more than welcome to move themselves over to Start Investing, as they once did over on the MSN boards. If I'm not mistaken, this is called "Market Talk", not stock picks, or stock research. A true investor will constantly look at all of the things on this board which are in fact germane to real investing. Some of the information posted on this board (moved or deleted) was so important to the markets, that I found it impossible to view those Mods as even novice investors. Any brokerage office worth a damn will tell you that both technical and fundamental information is vital to making sound investment moves. That fact has been clearly lost on many who tout themselves, on this board, as either investors or brokers.

[neohguy]

If yesterday's fiasco of one annoying poster attacking another annoying poster turns out to be what I can expect with M3 then I am definitely out of here. If Stay Put thinks that M2 commentary (more lenient than the old board) is "purist" , and you believe him, then you haven't read many of his past comments.
Yesterdays attack by decoy on FTI was personal. FTI has revealed that he is an Italian American and decoy used that as a reason to attack his Catholic heritage. Perhaps decoy can reveal personal information about himself so that others can dig up all of the entertaining dirt in his ancestors past to discredit him. If FTI happened to be Jewish then decoy and friends would have attacked that too. Well decoy and any other bigots or posters that find that entertaining, you can have it. Watching button pushers pushing other button pushers buttons is not entertainment to me.
If M3 or M4 turns out to be the norm then please change the name of this board.

[decoy409]

You are quite wrong my friend neo. You go ahead and enjoy the blasphame and pretend game. I am going to sit back now and watch things.
First thing that was done here was FAVORITISM and that is not a board. You go ahead and enjoy my friend!

[Deleted]

I voted M3. My thoughts are as follows:

The way the MSN Money boards, specifically the market talk board, were moderated to discuss only a narrow band of topics was more for those that were not active on the board than those that were active on the board.

The board was a market talk board, it was linked to stock market quotes and it was advertised by MSN as a market talk board. If someone who had never come to the board before came to it, they would expect the topic to be market related. And if they were, perhaps that new member would stay and post. If, on the other hand the topics were all across the board, they would be more likely to not post and find another place to ask their question or discuss the market.

Those members that were already active on the board already knew what the board was, what it was not. They posted the topics that they were interested in and discussed the topics that others posted that they were interested in, as it should be on any message board.

I hope I am not being a wet blanket, but I do not foresee lots of new members migrating to this board like they did with MSN. Therefore, for better or worse, we are the community. There is no reason to keep the topics narrowly focused to try and make newcomers see a topic list that they were expect to see on a market talk board.

This board is going to be become what the members want it to become, by posting and responding to the topics that interest them. For that reason I think that M3 (I was going back and forth between that and all, but I think we can draw a line somewhere) is the appropriate way to moderate the board. Except for extreme cases like discussions of chocolate and shoes, why would we want to limit the topics?

[robinking]

This truly is democracy in action. I like the debate and will accept any outcome. I don't like personal attacks, as they make me feel bad for the person being attacked. I would hope that any poster doing so would respond with an apology once a neutral poster pointed out the infraction. Obviously, people are different, so one person's passionate argument is another's insult. It's up to all of us to police this site, not just the mods. I believe the mods job is to jump in when the regulars can't get someone to cool down or understand why they may have crossed a line. It's sort of like a third friend jumping into a fight on the playground before the principle has to come in and dish out suspensions.

As for content, I don't want to be spammed with crap, but I say let cooler heads prevail in all debates. I know there is bad blood between some, but this is a microcosm of society.

p.s. Anyone seen Frank q over here? I'd like to see the fireworks between Mid and him!

[robinking]

I need to add that if it weren't for MT, I never would have known some of the more plausible conspiracy theories out there. I don't want to see all topics devolving into fights about Illuminati and Bilderbergs, but these topics have their place. If it weren't for people bringing up similar topics, no one would have known the truth about the FEDs gift to the banks... which does affect our monetary future. I don't care to discuss JFK's assassination, 9/11, Obama's origin of birth or the moon landing, but if they become relevant in the discussion, then just like in court when a defendant opens the door, so too can the prosecutor enter.

For the record:
1. I believe JFK wasn't killed by the "magic bullet".
2. 9/11 wasn't just jihadists
-Where were the plane parts at the Pentagon?
-Why did the pilot make an extremely difficult 1 in a million turn; just to crash into the accounting area, when any area would have been symbolic? An area housing records Donald Rumsfeld alluded to the day earlier that had trillions of dollars missing.
-Dare I say Building 7!
3. I don't care where Obama was born... his mom was an American, so he's an American!
4. We fucking landed on the moon!
5. There are no reptilian people. It's not genetically possible. Go away!
6. Chicks dig me because I rarely wear underwear and when I do, it's usually something unusual!

[comokate]

Robin;
I was right with ya there until #6....

Decoy,
I'm no Frankie fan, but you are starting to tread on thin ice. So many people call themselves "Christians" yet keep pointing to out-of-context passages from the *OLD TESTAMENT. Jesus ChrisT and his teachings were in the NEW TESTAMENT. For those who believe in, and of the teachings, Christ, the emphasis was/is supposed to be on the new teachings...to which Christ himself said: "and the greatest of these is love". Compassion, kindness helping the poor, oh yeah, and "Judge not lest ye be judged", "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone".
Soooooo many stone throwers amongst modern day "Christians"...and a shortage of love, kindness and charity for the poor.
Let the higher power judge ( and sorry Virgil, I'm not referring to you )

[midwesterner (banned)]

If you want to SEE what i am referring to, check the the Merry Christmas thread....especially the last few posts!

This is NOT related to market talk in any way....

And do we want threads littered with crap like that?

Yep, kinda like FTI's "end of the world" thread. Give it a read, not much at all in there about a dang investment or about investments at all. But it sure gets bumped up to the top of the page quite often by yours truly self proclaimed superstar himself.