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Post by shanendoah on Nov 4, 2014 14:47:30 GMT -5
Here's the thing, we all have charities we believe in, and we all have our reasons for donating to some places and not others. cronewitch is being honest about her biases and why she is looking at some specific charities over others. While I understand that many want to then debate her reasons, unless you want your personal biases also put under a microscope, we need to accept that we all have those biases when it comes to where to give our money. I, for example, refuse to donate any money to breast cancer research because I don't want my dollars going anywhere near the Komen Foundation. I know others do not agree with my biases, so I accept that I won't agree with their's.
Now, again, I am biased because I personally benefit from the type of charities Crone is looking to support. I don't, though, agree with all of her reasoning on why she's choosing this area of charitable donation, but you know what, that's none of my business. I am thrilled that she's choosing any kind of charitable donation (even if it were one that isn't one of my favorites) over hoarding money or simply giving in to the "more stuff" attitude.
So, instead of trying to shame crone for her views that conflict with yours, why not realize that we're all different, and there are numerous populations that need help, and be grateful that there are people willing to support the populations that we don't (for whatever reason).
The Captain - I misstated that bit of information, leaving out an important tidbit. Less than half the kids in foster care graduate ON TIME- so the majority of them have to be held back, etc (which certainly leads to higher drop out rates, but not over 50%). That's my bad for mis-quoting that bit of information.
Another program to look into is Casey Family Programs. They are based in WA, but are a national advocacy group for foster children.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 14:49:34 GMT -5
So I am thinking of shopping for foster children. My niece posted a site where they find them beds and things like Halloween Costumes and Christmas gifts and clothing. Foster parents get 400-550 a month here to support these kids but the kids often arrive with very little or are placed with family who doesn't have a spare bed. The charity my niece posted is in the next county but I could go there. I like bargain hunting so I could shop for good deals and stock up. They seem to mostly help the little ones so I am thinking of mostly helping young teens especially overweight girls. Some quilting group makes pillow cases for the kids to carry clothing home but the kids can pick what they want from racks. I can't be a foster parent because I don't know much about kids and too old and don't want to spend the time doing it. Shopping seems much better use of my time and money. I can go Christmas shopping and buy whatever looks like a bargain. Sounds like a great idea, doing something good, and sounds like something you want to do. The worst that could happen is you try it, don't like it and have to think of something else. The best part about your money, is that you get to make the decisions on where it goes. Let us know how it works out if you decide to do it.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Nov 4, 2014 14:57:32 GMT -5
It's very difficult for an individual donor to sort out who is looking for a hand up and who is just looking for a handout. Foster children all need a hand up. and that is why donating to organizations that help those looking for a hand up is the way to go. And that is why Crone is looking for an organization that helps foster children.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Nov 4, 2014 15:04:08 GMT -5
I have to be honest. I find it to be pretty selfish that you don't want to "help the poor". Should they help themselves? Absolutely. But you seem to be assuming that none of them are even trying! And while I'm sure that there are plenty who are just plain lazy, that's not true for all, and it's rather closed-minded to reject everyone out of hand. I'm not saying that what you're thinking about isn't worthy, but to refuse to help one particular group?
Plus, some would undoubtedly LOVE to do for themselves, but can't for whatever reason. Physical/mental disability, for instance. I bet there are a lot of them in the system who have no family to help, or they've been abandoned. Social workers may not be helping, etc.
Just my .02.
It's her money. She gets to decide what to do with it. Anyone who feels differently from her is still free to support whatever causes they wish. Their choices are not limited by anyone else's choice. They can spend their money as they choose. They just don't get to tell other people how to spend their money.
I appreciate this post. I often donate for animal welfare/rescue and I am amazed by how many people yell at me "THERE ARE STARVING PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD" that somehow my donations to animal causes are inferior or stupid. Many times money donated to "helping people" goes to buying bibles and building churches instead of feeding, clothing, and education. I am against that use of my money. I have never seen an organization build a church for a dog, nor buy sets of bibles for a cat. So, to each their own. You can say, "hey, organization XYZ is something I'm supportive of, you might want to check it out" but to call her donations selfish is misplaced.
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Post by Ryan on Nov 4, 2014 15:36:49 GMT -5
Crone is probably getting some snarky responses because the way she setup the question in the opening post was kinda strange. Just kinda throwing in the "I don't really want to help the poor because they should help themselves" was kinda too weird of a comment for people to pass up.
Plus, I don't know how she can say she has "too much money" when she just recently retired. She's walking around these threads talking about her million dollars like she's daddy warbucks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 15:43:53 GMT -5
I don't think I'll ever feel I have too much money in retirement. It's possible the paranoid side of me will go away, but I doubt it. There is so much that can happen in what could be 30 years that I'd rather have a will set up that sends all the money after I'm gone to wherever I want. I still think it would be fun to spoil the grandkids and take trips, but I don't see myself just trying to think of ways to get rid of it.
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Post by moon/Laura on Nov 4, 2014 15:48:32 GMT -5
It's true that it's her money to do with as she pleases. And I'll repeat that her idea is a good one. Really, any help - be it for people or animals - is worthwhile in my eyes.
I only had a problem with the statement about the poor not being worthy.
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Post by gooddecisions on Nov 4, 2014 16:13:39 GMT -5
I think your ideas and causes are great and it's very generous of you to think about the needs of others. I know your cost of living is low right now, but keep in mind there may be other wants that might become needs later on. My grandma lived alone the last several decades of her life until she died at 91. Like you, she was very frugal. She worked a cologne counter in a mall department store and loved it. She and the other ladies became good friends and it got her out of the house. But, she refused to get a cleaning service at home thinking she was fully capable. She fell off a stool dusting the top of her drapes and broke her hip at 79. She never quite recovered from that surgery and had to retire. She was very lonely after that and her health further declined. She also worked at the baseball diamond during baseball season and became good friends with her co-workers.
While your causes are very noble, I really don't think it's going to solve the core of your issue- finding a good use of your time with people to bond with while helping a good cause. I agree that babies and toddlers might not be your niche, but there are still a lot of children between the ages of 5 and 18. Junior Achievement might be up your alley, though it's not specific to foster kids. Just a way to help kids learn about balancing checkbooks, economics, finances, etc. The curricula is all written, they just need people to teach it.
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Post by kittensaver on Nov 4, 2014 16:23:35 GMT -5
It's true that it's her money to do with as she pleases. And I'll repeat that her idea is a good one. Really, any help - be it for people or animals - is worthwhile in my eyes. I only had a problem with the statement about the poor not being worthy.
^^^^^ this ^^^^^
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Post by dannylion on Nov 4, 2014 16:35:18 GMT -5
I can definitely attest to the personal value of volunteering time and skill. Maybe you can find something that interests you where you can help other people who are doing something you value. I volunteer in the ER every Monday, and I really look forward to Mondays now. There is nothing like a few hours in a busy emergency room to provide some perspective on one's own life.
There are all kinds of organizations that need volunteer help. I have retired friends who volunteer at the Smithsonian or other museums, the local library, animal shelters or local wildlife centers, some friends who work with a greyhound rescue organization, another who volunteers with an organization rescuing retired race horses, and one who does a math enrichment program in local schools to interest kids in STEM careers. Another retired friend is a Civil War buff and guides tours at a Civil War battlefield. There are lots of organizations that would love to have you turn up and pitch in. You just need to find the one that speaks to your heart.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 4, 2014 19:12:24 GMT -5
Crone I wouldn't be saying I had to much money, you have a long life yet. If someone gets disabled and ends up in care for 10, 20 years you won't have to much money. No harm in being charitable and giving as you go along but things happen. If there is money left when you pass on, well charities will never stop being in need, you can leave it all to them if you so wish. I was going to say pretty much the same thing. I think it is great that you want to use some of your funds to help others. But you are still into your first year of retirement. The market has been good this year. There will be years when you will not feel like you have "too much" money - you may feel poor. I'd form a plan, not go by how rich I felt. Decide how much you can give without putting your own security at risk. Retirement (hopefully) will be for many years and comes with lots of unknowns.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 19:37:45 GMT -5
SO many good posts here! I especially like Dannylion's last post ... Crone, you are in a rare position of being able to contribute both money and time, if you want to. Remember that nothing has to be forever ... you can try something (I'm obviously talking about time here) and if it's not a good fit, if you don't want to continue, you don't have to. I'd like to make one more suggestion ... KIVA, an organisation that does microloans for people in developing countries. I understand that you might not want to contribute to people outside the US. But it's also a fun way to "travel" from the comfort of one's couch and computer. And, it's not a gift, it's a loan! So you can take your money back once your initial loan is paid back (no interest though). Or, you can choose to reloan that sum ($25) to somebody else. Just one more option to consider! ETA: Another thought, since Christmas is coming up. I don't know who you gift, or how much you spend, so obviously you need to take this suggestion with a grain of salt. We have always given our kids Christmas / Hanukah gifts, PLUS a charitable donation. When they were younger it was animals. They would sponsor a seal, or a manatee, or a whale, whatever. As they got older we transitioned to KIVA gift certificates for the older ones, the younger ones preferred we continue with the animal charities. Since the KIVA loans are LOANS rather than gifts, those $25 loans we gifted to the two older kids continue to get passed onto somebody else.
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Post by cronewitch on Nov 4, 2014 22:30:33 GMT -5
SO many good posts here! I especially like Dannylion's last post ... Crone, you are in a rare position of being able to contribute both money and time, if you want to. Remember that nothing has to be forever ... you can try something (I'm obviously talking about time here) and if it's not a good fit, if you don't want to continue, you don't have to. I'd like to make one more suggestion ... KIVA, an organisation that does microloans for people in developing countries. I understand that you might not want to contribute to people outside the US. But it's also a fun way to "travel" from the comfort of one's couch and computer. And, it's not a gift, it's a loan! So you can take your money back once your initial loan is paid back (no interest though). Or, you can choose to reloan that sum ($25) to somebody else. Just one more option to consider! ETA: Another thought, since Christmas is coming up. I don't know who you gift, or how much you spend, so obviously you need to take this suggestion with a grain of salt. We have always given our kids Christmas / Hanukah gifts, PLUS a charitable donation. When they were younger it was animals. They would sponsor a seal, or a manatee, or a whale, whatever. As they got older we transitioned to KIVA gift certificates for the older ones, the younger ones preferred we continue with the animal charities. Since the KIVA loans are LOANS rather than gifts, those $25 loans we gifted to the two older kids continue to get passed onto somebody else. Our family doesn't do Christmas gifts anymore, we all are too old and have what we want for the most part. Since mom died we are the older generation so I took up what my mom did, checks for gifts to the younger generation. I miss shopping but nobody ever liked the gifts, I didn't want gifts either. Family is easy you know if someone can use some help and how much it would take to be some help without taking their pride so I have done a one time only gift to a few people. Nephew's wife is dying he can't afford a funeral, his parents might help him, his wife is uninsurable since before he met her. She quit working this summer so he took her 403B and told me he would pay the penalty and spend it so he might have money left from that. I tried to tell him to roll it over and only take what he needed but he wasn't listening so he should be able to pay for the funeral. I will keep my ears open to see if he needs help. I want to do actual shopping, bargain hunting not just writing checks. I found girls underwear on sale at Walmart.com for 12/$9 so that seems like something good to buy in all the sizes and styles for the foster girls. They have cute sleeper PJs too with dinosaurs, everyone likes dinosaurs. I can shop on line or in person and gather a bunch of packages and with foster kids I don't have to worry about sizes and preferences since they pick what they like from a clothing bank. Last year I bought toys for a toy drive. I like this because it is only a few dollars at a time no commitment. I was volunteering at a food bank supplier packaging food but they wasted our time doing what a machine should have done repackaging things like rice and beans from 50lb bags to 1lb bags. I don't think that the poor aren't worthy of help, I think they have so many others helping mine doesn't matter. The place I was volunteering bought food wholesale cheap and what they collected at food drives was mostly crushed and dented and a small part of the total food provided. Pets, wildlife, cleaning creeks, adult literacy, ESL and many other charities are worthy too but I am looking for something small, that makes me happy like shopping. BTW we do clean creeks and riverbanks all the time as we fish we carry garbage bags and pick up trash. I will leave the feeding of the poor to churches and others who want to do that.
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Post by truthbound on Nov 5, 2014 2:04:56 GMT -5
It's true that it's her money to do with as she pleases. And I'll repeat that her idea is a good one. Really, any help - be it for people or animals - is worthwhile in my eyes. I only had a problem with the statement about the poor not being worthy. Agreed. And is there any such thing as too much money lol?
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Post by moon/Laura on Nov 5, 2014 6:17:33 GMT -5
I don't think that the poor aren't worthy of help, I think they have so many others helping mine doesn't matter. The place I was volunteering bought food wholesale cheap and what they collected at food drives was mostly crushed and dented and a small part of the total food provided. Thank you for clarifying, as that's obviously not how it came across to me initially.
I was talking to someone recently who said they'd contacted a nursing home to find out if they had anyone that was all alone, and "adopted" a lady. I kind of like that idea too, and I'm thinking maybe that could be something my son and I could do. the list of groups that are needy is long and it's hard to decide.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 6:46:30 GMT -5
Well, count me in the camp of a million dollars in retirement savings not being "rich." There are taxes owed on that, for example, so it's not really even a million dollars.
You do know that most of the organizations don't really want you to go buying cheap underwear for them at Walmart, right? It has to be sorted, stored, etc. These organizations also get economies of scale that you can't even dream of. I'm not discouraging you from contributing, but understand that you aren't doing organizations much of a favor when you simply buy stuff. It's like the food bank experience that you and others describe.
You personally don't want to just give $$$, though. I think that underscores that this really isn't about having too much "money" but rather too much free time on your hand that you would like to fill by shopping for others, etc.
I know my amateur psychology session is worth a little less than you paid for it, but think about what you really want from this experience or you are going to be disappointed.
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Post by moneymom on Nov 5, 2014 13:54:02 GMT -5
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!! I've fostered two children. Our primary donations go to foster care agencies or causes. The agency that I adopted my DD from has a live in facility that houses kids over the age of 14 that are not easily fostered and haven't been chosen to adopt. It breaks my heart. This age group needs help more than anyone else. What I love about my agency is that they let you get involved with the kids. You can actually sign up to volunteer with them, and if you get approved, you can take them movies even if you wanted. I personally would want to get to know a child and their needs or see firsthand how they are living before donating. Would you be interested in doing that? I'm sure you could find an agency in your area. At the agency we used, many folks simply buy iPads or iPods or new bedding and backpacks for a group of kids there. It's' fantastic. They especially need Target (or similar) gift cards so they can go buy essentials or makeup, etc. I am hoping we are in a better financial place in the future that we can help them more. I personally am not comfortable just turning over cash to unknown kids as some are in bad places like drug addiction, etc. Would you be interested in serving as a mentor? That would be a great way to start.. mentor a child and then discover their needs and you can help provide for them.
Sorry I went a bit overboard here...but I think what you are considering is fantastic. It can truly make a difference in their lives.
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Post by NastyWoman on Nov 5, 2014 21:45:25 GMT -5
I want to do actual shopping, bargain hunting not just writing checks. I found girls underwear on sale at Walmart.com for 12/$9 so that seems like something good to buy in all the sizes and styles for the foster girls. They have cute sleeper PJs too with dinosaurs, everyone likes dinosaurs. I can shop on line or in person and gather a bunch of packages and with foster kids I don't have to worry about sizes and preferences since they pick what they like from a clothing bank. Last year I bought toys for a toy drive. I like this because it is only a few dollars at a time no commitment. I think this is a wonderful idea. You like the activity and you like that someone will be happy with what you bought. I really don't see a need for gifts to be tied to a specific person. I have always loved buying toys so I donated to the Giving Tree they set up here at work. But a few years ago they had this one year where they basically said "never mind buying gifts, just donate money and we'll buy the gifts" They have since changed that back (since it was such a resounding failure) but they have never received anything from me ever again. The next year Toys for Tots had big toy collection drums and I got to buy toys again. I now also have a DGS (9mo) but to keep myself in check I promised his parents to buy just a few items (books don't count toward the total) and give a check towards his college fund for the rest of the money . And in case you are wondring: I am done Xmas shopping for the kiddo
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Post by NastyWoman on Nov 5, 2014 21:45:44 GMT -5
I want to do actual shopping, bargain hunting not just writing checks. I found girls underwear on sale at Walmart.com for 12/$9 so that seems like something good to buy in all the sizes and styles for the foster girls. They have cute sleeper PJs too with dinosaurs, everyone likes dinosaurs. I can shop on line or in person and gather a bunch of packages and with foster kids I don't have to worry about sizes and preferences since they pick what they like from a clothing bank. Last year I bought toys for a toy drive. I like this because it is only a few dollars at a time no commitment. I think this is a wonderful idea. You like the activity and you like that someone will be happy with what you bought. I really don't see a need for gifts to be tied to a specific person. I have always loved buying toys so I donated to the Giving Tree they set up here at work. But a few years ago they had this one year where they basically said "never mind buying gifts, just donate money and we'll buy the gifts" They have since changed that back (since it was such a resounding failure) but they have never received anything from me ever again. The next year Toys for Tots had big toy collection drums and I got to buy toys again. I now also have a DGS (9mo) but to keep myself in check I promised his parents to buy just a few items (books don't count toward the total) and give a check towards his college fund for the rest of the money . And in case you are wondring: I am done Xmas shopping for the kiddo
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Post by cronewitch on Nov 5, 2014 21:59:08 GMT -5
I want to do actual shopping, bargain hunting not just writing checks. I found girls underwear on sale at Walmart.com for 12/$9 so that seems like something good to buy in all the sizes and styles for the foster girls. They have cute sleeper PJs too with dinosaurs, everyone likes dinosaurs. I can shop on line or in person and gather a bunch of packages and with foster kids I don't have to worry about sizes and preferences since they pick what they like from a clothing bank. Last year I bought toys for a toy drive. I like this because it is only a few dollars at a time no commitment. I think this is a wonderful idea. You like the activity and you like that someone will be happy with what you bought. I really don't see a need for gifts to be tied to a specific person. I have always loved buying toys so I donated to the Giving Tree they set up here at work. But a few years ago they had this one year where they basically said "never mind buying gifts, just donate money and we'll buy the gifts" They have since changed that back (since it was such a resounding failure) but they have never received anything from me ever again. The next year Toys for Tots had big toy collection drums and I got to buy toys again. I now also have a DGS (9mo) but to keep myself in check I promised his parents to buy just a few items (books don't count toward the total) and give a check towards his college fund for the rest of the money . And in case you are wondring: I am done Xmas shopping for the kiddo With your little guys you can buy school aged or preschool workbooks like age 2-3 might have matching activities then put each in a manilla envelope addressed to the child. Give them all to the parents and on bored days they can put one in the mail box before asked the child to go check the mail. My great nephew loved getting big letters so I was going to mail him a bunch but his mom wanted to do the above. So on a bored day he got the excitement of mail and something to do. I restricted myself when he was little because he had too much stuff so now giving him college money to make up for lack of gifts. One gift he liked was maps of the USA and the world wall sized. He said he thought the world would be bigger, like books maps shouldn't count.
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Post by cronewitch on Nov 5, 2014 22:11:15 GMT -5
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!! I've fostered two children. Our primary donations go to foster care agencies or causes. The agency that I adopted my DD from has a live in facility that houses kids over the age of 14 that are not easily fostered and haven't been chosen to adopt. It breaks my heart. This age group needs help more than anyone else. What I love about my agency is that they let you get involved with the kids. You can actually sign up to volunteer with them, and if you get approved, you can take them movies even if you wanted. I personally would want to get to know a child and their needs or see firsthand how they are living before donating. Would you be interested in doing that? I'm sure you could find an agency in your area. At the agency we used, many folks simply buy iPads or iPods or new bedding and backpacks for a group of kids there. It's' fantastic. They especially need Target (or similar) gift cards so they can go buy essentials or makeup, etc. I am hoping we are in a better financial place in the future that we can help them more. I personally am not comfortable just turning over cash to unknown kids as some are in bad places like drug addiction, etc. Would you be interested in serving as a mentor? That would be a great way to start.. mentor a child and then discover their needs and you can help provide for them. Sorry I went a bit overboard here...but I think what you are considering is fantastic. It can truly make a difference in their lives. This is why I was thinking teen overweight girls some basics like underwear since all girls like underwear and I don't know teen fashion. I know women's underwear is usually 5-6-7-8 type sizes but what I am finding is more like 2-4-6-8-10-12 so thinking they are children's sizes about even with age. Older teens might wear adult sizes and chubby teens never get donated to since they aren't cute little cheap clothing. I don't know if I would want to deal with children in person but they could give me one to shop for and I could give them the gifts and see if they like them. One year I took a gift star off a tree and got a size 4 boy with a name. It was fun, he wanted jeans so I got him jeans, sweats, coat and some toys. He was in a program for abused and neglected kids like a therapeutic daycare so I enjoyed buying him a big package.
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Post by Baby Fawkes on Nov 5, 2014 22:17:34 GMT -5
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!! I've fostered two children. Our primary donations go to foster care agencies or causes. The agency that I adopted my DD from has a live in facility that houses kids over the age of 14 that are not easily fostered and haven't been chosen to adopt. It breaks my heart. This age group needs help more than anyone else. What I love about my agency is that they let you get involved with the kids. You can actually sign up to volunteer with them, and if you get approved, you can take them movies even if you wanted. I personally would want to get to know a child and their needs or see firsthand how they are living before donating. Would you be interested in doing that? I'm sure you could find an agency in your area. At the agency we used, many folks simply buy iPads or iPods or new bedding and backpacks for a group of kids there. It's' fantastic. They especially need Target (or similar) gift cards so they can go buy essentials or makeup, etc. I am hoping we are in a better financial place in the future that we can help them more. I personally am not comfortable just turning over cash to unknown kids as some are in bad places like drug addiction, etc. Would you be interested in serving as a mentor? That would be a great way to start.. mentor a child and then discover their needs and you can help provide for them. Sorry I went a bit overboard here...but I think what you are considering is fantastic. It can truly make a difference in their lives. This is why I was thinking teen overweight girls some basics like underwear since all girls like underwear and I don't know teen fashion. I know women's underwear is usually 5-6-7-8 type sizes but what I am finding is more like 2-4-6-8-10-12 so thinking they are children's sizes about even with age. Older teens might wear adult sizes and chubby teens never get donated to since they aren't cute little cheap clothing. I don't know if I would want to deal with children in person but they could give me one to shop for and I could give them the gifts and see if they like them. One year I took a gift star off a tree and got a size 4 boy with a name. It was fun, he wanted jeans so I got him jeans, sweats, coat and some toys. He was in a program for abused and neglected kids like a therapeutic daycare so I enjoyed buying him a big package. One of my favourite things to do is shop for a giving tree or toy drive of some sort. Sometimes I just want to give things that kids really ask for but are not really a 'cool' item to give and I like the fact that I can get them what they want but still remain as a sort of 'secret santa'. I get quite a kick out of giving someone small presents that they appreciate and not having to announce it to the world.
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Post by Peace77 on Nov 9, 2014 16:55:58 GMT -5
If you want to shop for foster kids, I suggest buying backpacks or gym bags so that when they have to move they have something to carry their belongings in besides garbage bags.
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msventoux
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Post by msventoux on Nov 9, 2014 18:26:24 GMT -5
You might see if there's any Child Advocacy Centers in your area. Here they have nonprofit organizations that deal with children who have been physically and sexually abused. It's a safe environment separate from child protective services for children of all ages to be interviewed and examined. They have toys and games to play with and they give each child who was examined a gift of a toy, blanket or other item, as well as providing them with snacks while they're there. I believe they also provide emergency supplies to children like clothing and toiletries when the kids have been displaced from their homes.
You can either buy supplies for them directly or they often have an auction as a fundraiser so people donate items to be sold at auction. There's also a group of ladies in a quilting guild who make the handcrafted blankets and stuffed toys that each child receives.
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Nazgul Girl
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Nov 9, 2014 22:15:30 GMT -5
Good for you patstab, and thanks to all those who are doing good things to improve others' lives, whether they be two-footed, four-footed, or anything else beneficent.
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