The Wacky World Of NWO Market Conspiracy

[frankq]

Aug 28, 2011 11:20:51 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I think the operative word here is "voted".

I consider the operative word to be "February"—the publication date of the article—before the so-called "Arab spring" even began.

You're right about the date. The article is just a third party reference as to what the Brotherhood is about. The article was not meant to reference the election by any means. I thought the content was interesting because it discusses the evolution of the group as of recent times, the attitude of what appears to be average Egyptians toward radicals, and the challenges going forward as a political force as far as the Brotherhood goes. If the author is correct, moderation seems to be taking hold.

[verrip1]

I don't get reply #187. There isn't a link there, but the narrative makes it seem like there is one. Otherwise it's a pretty generalized conclusion with no support.

The post-revolution elections are up this fall. gulftoday.ae/portal/2a927b16-1226-49d2-a0ae-3f46c11459ca.aspx

It's quite a stretch to suggest that the Brotherhood has already won an election that hasn't even been held yet.

[verrip1]

Aug 28, 2011 13:20:06 GMT -5 @smackdown said:

There would be no significant reason for individual investors to be concerned or even interested in keeping the Dow at a particular figure unless they were invested in the Dow and no other stocks. The fact that our market gyrations support the Dow itself and are not indicative of a sector responding to sustained growth or individual stocks demonstrating quality performance based on a sustainable structure or operating method--- absolutely tell us that the markets are fixed and controlled by people, persons or groups like a NEW WORLD ORDER to maintain the numbers as a weapon, not anything remotely associated with national economics or econbomic stability.

There is no reason and no valid argument supporting any other choice but to shut the markets down, collapse the financial sector, reconcile it and set it back in motion with all-new regulation, supervision and divestiture to a level where- no component can mastermind fraud, fail at the level they have or steer us toward collapse-- as banks have repeatedly done throughout the 20th and now into the 21st Century. We don't need banks and we sure as Hell cannot sustain ourselves with grubbers telling businesses what they can and cannot do. Big Business has management-- they are in charge and thus are 100% responsible for what occurs under their management. There are Boards with Directors, these are people who either helped create the business and are recognized by the Founder as valuable-- or possess the assets because they paid cash or mortgaged their assets to obtain them. It should occur to anyone with common sense that what we have now is FAILURE and it has to go for the rest of the globe to reture to natural chaos. No one ever required ORDER, it always comes post-growth as a means for very weak-minded people to usurp power they can neither manage nor use with intelligence or wisdom.

So sorry that Virgil won't accept posts which visually depict the paranoid delusion of the New World Order fanatics. I'll conclude that the truth hurts.

[Virgil Showlion]

It's quite a stretch to suggest that the Brotherhood has already won an election that hasn't even been held yet.

We'll just have to wait and see, won't we?

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

The problem Virg is that you weren't just saying that it will be the Brotherhood(who have started a new party with a Christian in a key position) You were saying this was basically an Islamic revolution. Look at Syria.

[verrip1]

It's hard to tell. When you've got the power, you just edit anything you don't like and leave no tracks for anyone to be able to show that it happened.

Unfortunately for some, coding can't extract out our memories.

[frankq]

Aug 28, 2011 19:50:18 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

It's quite a stretch to suggest that the Brotherhood has already won an election that hasn't even been held yet.

We'll just have to wait and see, won't we?

Yes, we will Virgil. So far, Egypt doesn't seem to be a hot bed of Al Queda activity. Revolution gives way to evolution. We'll see how things develop. Democracy, or "semi-Democracy, isn't easy. As you stated in your posts and quoted, ELECTIONS are happenning.

[Virgil Showlion]

Look at Syria.

The next Libya?

As you stated in your posts and quoted, ELECTIONS are happenning.

Elections are happening in Pakistan, Iran, and most of the African nations. Fair elections that don't put military hardliners into power, however...

Unfortunately for some, coding can't extract out our memories.

Make up whatever excuses you like. I've never covertly modified a post outside of two EE gag threads, and even in them the modification was blatantly obvious.

[smackdown]

"Elections are happening in Pakistan, Iran, and most of the African nations. Fair elections that don't put military hardliners into power,"

You mean like Dubya's two terms and all the GOP puppet governors?

[verrip1]

When you lose your credibility to the community, Virgil, assertions are meaningless hot air.

You lost it. Accept the consequences of your behavior.

[Driftr]

Virgil - You have not lost your credibility with this member of the community.

[Virgil Showlion]

Thanks Driftr.

[frankq]

"Elections are happening in Pakistan, Iran, and most of the African nations. Fair elections that don't put military hardliners into power, however..."

You have to establish law and order from the chaos of revolution sometimes young Grasshopper. You make the mistake of holding other cultures to the morals and standards of America. Different cultures evolve in different ways. If you have the blueprint to make it happen instantly, I'm sure there are several nations waiting to hear from you. It wasn't so easy for America either. State boundaries were hotly disputed, there was dissention and and secession threats from various states, oh, and a little dispute called the Civil War. Things can't always go as smoothly for everyone as it does in Canada........

[Virgil Showlion]

Frank-o: if peace spreads far and wide throughout the world, I'll raise a toast along with the rest of you. I simply do not see it happening.

If I had to guess, the various nations will amalgamate into a political entity the world will call a "Democratic Islamic Company of Nations". Egypt will very likely be the leader. Each nation state will hold open, (relatively) free elections, but there will be virtually no turnover in the leading political party. The union will provide relative political stability, but will be markedly Islamist in policy and doctrine. Europe and Israel will feel its political clout.

Read any Israeli newspaper and you will find that they are not happy with the Mubarak/Gaddafi/Assad dictatorships going down. These were pro-western moderates who perpetrated a status quo incredibly lucrative for the west. Now that the "student-strengthened populists" (with AKs, rocket launchers, and more artillery than could choke a horse, apparently) have ousted the dictators, one-sided deals with western powers are a thing of the past.

[frankq]

Virgil,

I don't necessarily disagree with much of your post, and I don't necessarily buy into the "what's good for Isreal is good for America" line of thought. If Isreal is not happy, maybe they'll be more motivated to come up with a more realistic proposal to help solve the Palestinian issue once and for all. It's quite possible the Palestinians are not exactly estatic with the changes taking place either. Any form of moderation, in the long run, canbe of benefit. We lose some pull with a country here, gain some with a country there, who knows. I can say that what was wasn't exactly working out too well for anyone but the dictators. I agree with the part about being Islamic in nature, but as the old guard dies off and the new guard moves in I believe that these nations will move closer to the center. Again, time will tell. I harbor no illusions about peace spreading far and wide in the world. As long as some have and some have not, there will be strife. Human nature and all.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Now that the "student-strengthened populists" (with AKs, rocket launchers, and more artillery than could choke a horse, apparently) have ousted the dictators, one-sided deals with western powers are a thing of the past.

Where are those weapons coming from? At one point they were almost done, no?

I agree with Q, give it time, your political cartoon is a hack at the current situation. Reality, they want to sell oil, and they love them some USD.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Well that sure didn't take long!

Nations Support New Libyan Leaders as Qaddafi Vows to Fight
www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-31/free-libya-awaits-paris-unveiling-as-new-leaders-push-un-to-release-assets.html

A group of about 60 nations, dubbed the “Friends of Libya,” agreed at a meeting in Paris yesterday to release billions of dollars in frozen funds for humanitarian and reconstruction needs.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Wow how about this, more proof that freedom takes time!

Saskatoon native embraces freedom in ancestral home
www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Saskatoon+native+embraces+freedom+ancestral+home/5356022/story.html?cid=megadrop_story

As a final-year medical student, Murabit has spent much time in the hospital with her physician father since the revolution started. One day she met a young man who had his legs blown off while walking to get bread for his mother.

"He said to me, 'You know what? I don't care if I die. My father has been waiting for this moment his whole life' .