teen persuasion
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Post by teen persuasion on Oct 28, 2014 8:00:19 GMT -5
I am always shocked when I come across a female who doesn't vote. It actually makes me want to smack them. Do they not realize that for eons women had not voting rights, or rights period. They were considered to be property owned by their fathers and eventually their husbands. It just seriously ticks me off when I hear a women say she doesn't vote. I heard one older lady say once "she votes with her husband" I assume that means she votes for whomever he tells her to vote for her. Our school budget votes are in May, and DD3 was home from college and finally eligible, so I took her along. She was leery, not quite sure how the machines worked. While we were there, some of the HS kids who were already 18 also came in to vote. Apparently they got extra PIG points for voting. They were also all girls, and they were unsure, too. Without someone nudging them to actually do it, none of them would have chosen to vote, for fear of the unknown. The schools should really do some mock election in school, and have them use the voting machines personally, so they are not afraid of looking dumb or messing up. Of course, they are switching to the paper ballots for November govt elections, now. Why is paper and pencil, er, marker better than the machines?
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 28, 2014 8:41:04 GMT -5
... Of course, they are switching to the paper ballots for November govt elections, now. Why is paper and pencil, er, marker better than the machines? If the machines are tampered with, a recount is impossible.
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teen persuasion
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Post by teen persuasion on Oct 28, 2014 8:50:37 GMT -5
... Of course, they are switching to the paper ballots for November govt elections, now. Why is paper and pencil, er, marker better than the machines? If the machines are tampered with, a recount is impossible. Ok, but wouldn't it also be possible to tamper with a stack of papers, and the computer SW reading them? Not being argumentative, just curious about the details and want to learn more.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 28, 2014 14:25:05 GMT -5
If the machines are tampered with, a recount is impossible. Ok, but wouldn't it also be possible to tamper with a stack of papers, and the computer SW reading them? Not being argumentative, just curious about the details and want to learn more. Yes but ... Nothing is perfect. But how would you tamper with the paper ballot? If you remarked a lot of them, you could go back to the original markings. Not perfect since a few people would have changed them initially. If there was concern the machine readers had been messed with, a hand count would be possible if you have the paper ballots. Very time consuming but possible.
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Post by cktc on Oct 28, 2014 15:34:43 GMT -5
Lol, I guess what I meant was when I was younger I paid little attention to politics, I was too busy paying attention to me and mine. As I (hopefully) matured, I began to pay more attention to the larger community and events around me, and voting became more important. I focus more on local issues and people, as I have more hope of influence there. It is a different mindset, now that I know these people personally, not just as characters on tv ads. Funny - I am the opposite, when I was young and had spare time, I knew all the issues and had time to read, and had the balls to think I knew the best way to run the world. I also hung out with people who cared and we could talk about it at dinner parties. Now that I am older, I have a ton more responsibility and 100x more to handle and worry about. As a percentage of my time, politics has slid down to a reasonable portion. As a social issue, my friends are fairly diverse on the political spectrum and I have had enough situations where a political discussion + booze = physical confrontation, so there is a narrow group of people and situations where I will even discuss it. I'm the same way. I've also become much more jaded about the efficacy of my vote and my ability to gather enough knowledge to be properly informed. It's like the Einstein quote, “The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know.” I get a mini panic attack every time I vote thinking that I've been had.
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Post by movingforward on Oct 28, 2014 15:37:46 GMT -5
Funny - I am the opposite, when I was young and had spare time, I knew all the issues and had time to read, and had the balls to think I knew the best way to run the world. I also hung out with people who cared and we could talk about it at dinner parties. Now that I am older, I have a ton more responsibility and 100x more to handle and worry about. As a percentage of my time, politics has slid down to a reasonable portion. As a social issue, my friends are fairly diverse on the political spectrum and I have had enough situations where a political discussion + booze = physical confrontation, so there is a narrow group of people and situations where I will even discuss it. I'm the same way. I've also become much more jaded about the efficacy of my vote and my ability to gather enough knowledge to be properly informed. It's like the Einstein quote, “The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know.” I get a mini panic attack every time I vote thinking that I've been had.Don't worry, you have been had no matter who you vote for
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Post by cktc on Oct 28, 2014 15:54:37 GMT -5
I am always shocked when I come across a female who doesn't vote. It actually makes me want to smack them. Do they not realize that for eons women had not voting rights, or rights period. They were considered to be property owned by their fathers and eventually their husbands. It just seriously ticks me off when I hear a woman say she doesn't vote. I heard one older lady say once "she votes with her husband" I assume that means she votes for whomever he tells her to vote for her. Well to be fair, women fought for the right to vote, not the obligation to vote. If men can, and do, opt out of voting, I don't see it as a feminist betrayal for women to abstain from voting. I'd rather people not vote than do so as a perfunctory act with limited understanding or interest in the issues. I know a guy in his 30s who has his mom fill out his ballot for him and he just signs it without even looking at it. I personally choose not to vote for whether or not to retain judges because I know I'm way too out of the loop on 50 judges and the various cases they face throughout the year.
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Post by cktc on Oct 28, 2014 15:57:51 GMT -5
I'm the same way. I've also become much more jaded about the efficacy of my vote and my ability to gather enough knowledge to be properly informed. It's like the Einstein quote, “The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know.” I get a mini panic attack every time I vote thinking that I've been had.Don't worry, you have been had no matter who you vote for Right?! Sometimes I breathe a little sigh of relief when my candidate loses because I won't have to cringe watching them serve out their term. I can be one of those jerks who sits back and thinks, "don't blame me, I voted for the other guy."
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Post by shanendoah on Oct 28, 2014 16:06:06 GMT -5
I realized as I read this, that I can't remember the name of the governor of my state. I know he's the guy I voted for, but the only name the pops to mind is Christine Gregoire, which is our former governor.
I do know the name of my state representative, or, the name of my former state representative. He stepped down and is now on the county commission, but he's really open and believes strongly in the public knowing what's going on, so he has a public FB profile where he keeps people up to date. And I can tell you the name of the person I just voted for to replace him. It's the candidate he endorsed as his replacement. She used to be on our city council and spent about 30 minutes talking to us once while she was campaigning, about a completely different issue on the ballot.
One of the things I love about the vote by mail here in WA is that I have a couple of weeks to find a good time to sit down, read the ballot, do extra research on the issues, and then cast my vote. I like that I don't feel rushed, or like I'm taking a test- having to remember who I wanted to vote for. Instead, I read the voter pamphlet, do additional research online, and feel comfortable with how I voted.
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Post by wyouser on Oct 28, 2014 16:41:02 GMT -5
I tend to vote NOT to retain any judges that appear on our ballots. I don't believe anyone should hold an office fort a lifetime. That goes for incumbent politicians too! We have TOO MANY POITICIANS THAT VIEW THEIR OFFICE AS A LIFETIME ENTITLEMENT.
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Post by TheHaitian on Oct 28, 2014 16:42:58 GMT -5
I've lived in MA for 2 years and don't know who is our governor by name, but I will recognize him if he is on TV, same for governor of NJ.
I am just not that big in trying to remember their name and yes I probably did not vote for him. The first and last time I voted was when Obama ran for president the first time.
I pay even less attention to local politics.
I feel they are all crooked and looking after #1 (themselves) and will never do anything that put the citizen first at their expense. Yes I know it might be my upbringing in Haiti where no one trusted a politician, they were all crooks and if they were not yet is because they were running for their first term... By the time they had to run for their second term they were as crooked as everyone else.
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Oct 28, 2014 17:34:28 GMT -5
I have decided that there is a finite amount of space in my brain for details and facts, so often the names of politicians have been crowded out by lyrics from 80s pop songs. And where I might have left the car keys.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 28, 2014 19:20:43 GMT -5
I am always shocked when I come across a female who doesn't vote. It actually makes me want to smack them. Do they not realize that for eons women had not voting rights, or rights period. They were considered to be property owned by their fathers and eventually their husbands. It just seriously ticks me off when I hear a woman say she doesn't vote. I heard one older lady say once "she votes with her husband" I assume that means she votes for whomever he tells her to vote for her. Well to be fair, women fought for the right to vote, not the obligation to vote. If men can, and do, opt out of voting, I don't see it as a feminist betrayal for women to abstain from voting. I'd rather people not vote than do so as a perfunctory act with limited understanding or interest in the issues. I know a guy in his 30s who has his mom fill out his ballot for him and he just signs it without even looking at it. I personally choose not to vote for whether or not to retain judges because I know I'm way too out of the loop on 50 judges and the various cases they face throughout the year. The only reason that the suffragettes got so much steam is because they tied women voting to prohibition. Once they got the vote - boom - drinking was a crime. Not only that - but because the alcohol industry was so profitable, when it went underground, our country had to institute an income tax. I just cannot relate to these women.
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Post by Ryan on Oct 28, 2014 19:34:15 GMT -5
How do you know they didn't know the answer? Don't confuse not raising their hands with not knowing.
Besides, who cares anyways? you can answer all those types of questions the same way 'who is our *fill in government position*"'
Answer: Some dipshit
It covers all of them!
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Post by Icelandic Woman on Oct 29, 2014 14:05:52 GMT -5
I admit that when I was younger I could care less about politics so I only knew who the President and Vice President were. As I have gotten older and started voting I do know who our Governor, Senators and Congressional Members in my district are. But I couldn't name any State legislators or our Lt Governor. I still hate politics though.
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