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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 11:08:13 GMT -5
Ya they came from Spain and England. Yes indeed, including the ones who came over via land connections when they were connected. There are NO native Americans, just one group after another. Then its OK if Mexicans invade now yes?
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Post by lynnerself on Oct 17, 2014 11:12:35 GMT -5
Am I missing the part where it says she was or is sick in any way? I would bet she had that cruise planned pretty far in advance. And she didn't even treat the patient like the nurses. She just handled samples that may have included that patient's. This story implies that she has ebola and is putting everyone at risk, but there is nothing in the story that backs that up. My mom had heard on the news the person was showing symptoms. She is pretty sure it is a lab worker and she isn't surprised. She is a med tech and upset because every keeps talking about protection for the nurses, but she says the labs in most hospitals are in no way able to handle these samples and lab workers are going to be in big trouble. ETA-the story does say they are symptom free, so my mom is probably wrong. That is good. I work in a lab and don't entirely agree with this. If everyone follows the "Universal Precautions" that are the rules for lab work they should not get exposed. The problem is just like other healthcare areas, it's easy to get complacent and not be as diligent as is required. (Universal Precautions = treat every specimen as if it is hazardous.)
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Post by 973beachbum on Oct 17, 2014 11:31:48 GMT -5
My mom had heard on the news the person was showing symptoms. She is pretty sure it is a lab worker and she isn't surprised. She is a med tech and upset because every keeps talking about protection for the nurses, but she says the labs in most hospitals are in no way able to handle these samples and lab workers are going to be in big trouble. ETA-the story does say they are symptom free, so my mom is probably wrong. That is good. I work in a lab and don't entirely agree with this. If everyone follows the "Universal Precautions" that are the rules for lab work they should not get exposed. The problem is just like other healthcare areas, it's easy to get complacent and not be as diligent as is required. (Universal Precautions = treat every specimen as if it is hazardous.) One other wrinkle in this case is some friends of mine work in hospital pharmacies and labs and they don't always know what patient goes with what sample or Rx. They get patient numbers not names. So is it possible that this lab person didn't even know they had worked on samples from a patient with ebola? I don't think it matters for what goblynn said, but for whether this person should have known to not travel.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 17, 2014 12:42:34 GMT -5
incidentally: the POLITICAL pressure for Obama to issue travel bands which are detrimental to the cause of fixing this are HUGE. we now get to see how principled he is. if he institutes travel bands, i am prepared to dismiss him as a purely political animal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 13:18:54 GMT -5
I remember the first Ebola thread when they were flying that first patient to Atlanta(?) Every one seemed assured it couldn't spread to the care givers because of protocol. All you need is one unbalanced person who doesn't care if he dies (like those school shooters, or suicide bombers) to purposely aquire the infection and spread it around a few of the major US cities. How many public area door handles can he (she) touch with tiny amounts of bodily fluids of any type during the entire length of the infectous stage. Can't happen? Imagine that very idea being sensationalized by the media like the school shooters. Think it would increase the chances of it happening?
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 17, 2014 15:02:07 GMT -5
I remember the first Ebola thread when they were flying that first patient to Atlanta(?) Every one seemed assured it couldn't spread to the care givers because of protocol. All you need is one unbalanced person who doesn't care if he dies (like those school shooters, or suicide bombers) to purposely aquire the infection and spread it around a few of the major US cities. How many public area door handles can he (she) touch with tiny amounts of bodily fluids of any type during the entire length of the infectous stage. Can't happen? i don't believe so, no.Imagine that very idea being sensationalized by the media like the school shooters. Think it would increase the chances of it happening? from none to very low? sure. but i don't think it would work very well.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 17, 2014 16:16:59 GMT -5
People who invaded didnt invade expecting free everything. In fact, it USED to be that legal immigrants had to prove they were disease free and could support themselves. Not become a public burden to an already overburdened country. But I digress, right?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 16:20:47 GMT -5
People who invaded didnt invade expecting free everything. In fact, it USED to be that legal immigrants had to prove they were disease free and could support themselves. Not become a public burden to an already overburdened country. But I digress, right? It is still so
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 17, 2014 16:22:19 GMT -5
So cute.
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Post by Opti on Oct 17, 2014 16:22:49 GMT -5
I thought that generally was the whole point of invading. Vikings, Turks, Mongols ...
FWIW, Immigrants and invaders are two separate things. Really.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 17, 2014 16:41:12 GMT -5
Carnival Cruise lines just cannot catch a break. Can you imagine getting the call from the CDC telling you one of your ships in the Carribean, might have a potential Ebola infection?
I imagine after the ship docks, we are going to hear some interesting things from the passengers.
I imagine the CDC is just being 300% cautious at this point after so many disasterous statements and actions on their part. At the beginning of this thread I mentioned cruise ships and what could potentially happen. I am hoping this person is not infected.
This begs the question, why anyone from that hospital would take a cruise. Yes I understand it was probably booked months ago, but why would one think it's ok to go, even if you were not in the isolation room, when, you know if you do come down with symptoms, it could actually be two to three days before you get back in the states and receive the proper treatment. Myself, I think it is hugely immoral to put people in this situation, and not even fair to yourself.......
If we in America can be so careless in our movements when working at the hospital with the disease present, how can we expect regular citizens just going about their everyday activities to actually know and do the correct thing?
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 17, 2014 17:21:19 GMT -5
Carnival Cruise lines just cannot catch a break. Can you imagine getting the call from the CDC telling you one of your ships in the Carribean, might have a potential Ebola infection?
I imagine after the ship docks, we are going to hear some interesting things from the passengers.
I imagine the CDC is just being 300% cautious at this point after so many disasterous statements and actions on their part. At the beginning of this thread I mentioned cruise ships and what could potentially happen. I am hoping this person is not infected.
This begs the question, why anyone from that hospital would take a cruise. Yes I understand it was probably booked months ago, but why would one think it's ok to go, even if you were not in the isolation room, when, you know if you do come down with symptoms, it could actually be two to three days before you get back in the states and receive the proper treatment. Myself, I think it is hugely immoral to put people in this situation, and not even fair to yourself.......
If we in America can be so careless in our movements when working at the hospital with the disease present, how can we expect regular citizens just going about their everyday activities to actually know and do the correct thing? There's no question in my mind the CDC is taking caution to the extreme. I guess it's because the general public is being whipped into a frenzy by the press, but I think it just makes things worse! As to the hospital employee going on the cruise, if she knew when she left there was an Ebola patient in the hospital whose samples she very well might have handled if she was working at the time of admission or while the patient was there, I believe it was an irresponsible act. While you might believe you're perfectly fine, and you probably are if you followed protocols to the letter and had the proper supplies and equipment, it's still not something I'd do. Better to put off the trip than take that risk, IMO. If she was an office worker who had no contact with the patient or anything to do with the patient, I'd have no issue with it.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 17, 2014 17:24:06 GMT -5
CNN updated their story and removed the part about the other passengers being stranded on the cruise ship, so maybe that part was wrong. They also added that the nurse that flew to Ohio was showing symptoms for four days before her flight. www.cnn.com/2014/10/17/health/us-ebola/I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The nurse who flew to Ohio needs her license pulled and should not be allowed to work as a nurse until such time as she has completed a full (at least 6 week) course in isolation protocols and their importance. Her behavior was totally irresponsible as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by lynnerself on Oct 17, 2014 17:30:30 GMT -5
In any given day in the lab, I could be handling specimens that are positive for HIV, Hepatitis C, Influenza, E. coli, Salmonella, cholera. If I follow all protocols and I'm feeling fine, should I never go on a cruise or fly on an airplane?
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 17, 2014 17:42:19 GMT -5
In any given day in the lab, I could be handling specimens that are positive for HIV, Hepatitis C, Influenza, E. coli, Salmonella, cholera. If I follow all protocols and I'm feeling fine, should I never go on a cruise or fly on an airplane? None of the things you mention are going to cause imminent death, goblynn. None of those are currently epidemic and taking thousands of lives. None of those are being exploited by the media. In other words, the general public isn't in a freaking panic over any of those. Ebola, at this point in time, is different than any of those. Medical personnel, of all people, must take personal responsibility seriously. As I said, I would not have gone even though I followed protocols to the letter and raised hell if I felt we didn't have enough of the needed equipment and supplies to treat an infectious disease. I would not have gone on a cruise under these circumstances. YMMV
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In any given day in the lab, I could be handling specimens that are positive for HIV, Hepatitis C, Influenza, E. coli, Salmonella, cholera. If I follow all protocols and I'm feeling fine, should I never go on a cruise or fly on an airplane? No it is a over reaction to demand you to not fly. Americans are crazy because 3 cases totally but nobody is worried maybe they will die from a heart attack this week because they are obese and still eating bad foods. If people are afraid to die maybe they better worry more about what will probably kill them than about what will probably not kill them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 18:12:39 GMT -5
CNN updated their story and removed the part about the other passengers being stranded on the cruise ship, so maybe that part was wrong. They also added that the nurse that flew to Ohio was showing symptoms for four days before her flight. www.cnn.com/2014/10/17/health/us-ebola/I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The nurse who flew to Ohio needs her license pulled and should not be allowed to work as a nurse until such time as she has completed a full (at least 6 week) course in isolation protocols and their importance. Her behavior was totally irresponsible as far as I'm concerned. I get where you're coming from, but I also think that the fact that she contacted the CDC for guidance matters. Are they not the "authority" that we're suppose to listen to concerning what's appropriate and what's not when it comes to disease control? I think her call threw the ball in their court and they dropped it.
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incidentally: the POLITICAL pressure for Obama to issue travel bands which are detrimental to the cause of fixing this are HUGE. we now get to see how principled he is. if he institutes travel bands, i am prepared to dismiss him as a purely political animal. I'm sorry... but I have to ask... Are they arm bands... or wrist bands... and what color are they?
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In any given day in the lab, I could be handling specimens that are positive for HIV, Hepatitis C, Influenza, E. coli, Salmonella, cholera. If I follow all protocols and I'm feeling fine, should I never go on a cruise or fly on an airplane? No it is a over reaction to demand you to not fly. Americans are crazy because 3 cases totally but nobody is worried maybe they will die from a heart attack this week because they are obese and still eating bad foods. If people are afraid to die maybe they better worry more about what will probably kill them than about what will probably not kill them. ((Puts down Doritos and Pepsi))
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 17, 2014 18:50:56 GMT -5
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The nurse who flew to Ohio needs her license pulled and should not be allowed to work as a nurse until such time as she has completed a full (at least 6 week) course in isolation protocols and their importance. Her behavior was totally irresponsible as far as I'm concerned. I get where you're coming from, but I also think that the fact that she contacted the CDC for guidance matters. Are they not the "authority" that we're suppose to listen to concerning what's appropriate and what's not when it comes to disease control? I think her call threw the ball in their court and they dropped it. If I weren't a nurse, I might agree. I am a nurse and I know better than to do this. I know why she was told to fly and I know she should have known better than to take that advice. She's young. She hasn't been a nurse that long. I'm not castigating her, but I am definitely saying she needs more education. There's no question in my mind. ETA: I think this bears repeating in the case of the nurse who flew to Ohio: . They also added that the nurse that flew to Ohio was showing symptoms for four days before her flight.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 17, 2014 18:51:56 GMT -5
In any given day in the lab, I could be handling specimens that are positive for HIV, Hepatitis C, Influenza, E. coli, Salmonella, cholera. If I follow all protocols and I'm feeling fine, should I never go on a cruise or fly on an airplane? No it is a over reaction to demand you to not fly. Americans are crazy because 3 cases totally but nobody is worried maybe they will die from a heart attack this week because they are obese and still eating bad foods. If people are afraid to die maybe they better worry more about what will probably kill them than about what will probably not kill them. Americans are no crazier than anyone anyplace else. We're all human beings and we all have faults and show weaknesses.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 17, 2014 19:08:52 GMT -5
People who invaded didnt invade expecting free everything. In fact, it USED to be that legal immigrants had to prove they were disease free and could support themselves. Not become a public burden to an already overburdened country. But I digress, right? It is still so indeed it is.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 17, 2014 19:09:51 GMT -5
incidentally: the POLITICAL pressure for Obama to issue travel bands which are detrimental to the cause of fixing this are HUGE. we now get to see how principled he is. if he institutes travel bands, i am prepared to dismiss him as a purely political animal. I'm sorry... but I have to ask... Are they arm bands... or wrist bands... and what color are they? oh god, not you too. i thought you were one of the good guys. Richard- i just got new glasses, and i OFTEN can't see what i am typing now (they are not bifocals).
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 17, 2014 19:15:04 GMT -5
I'm sorry... but I have to ask... Are they arm bands... or wrist bands... and what color are they? oh god, not you too. i thought you were one of the good guys. Richard- i just got new glasses, and i OFTEN can't see what i am typing now (they are not bifocals). We all do it, dj. I know I've caught myself doing the same thing more than a few times. Sometimes, I don't notice it until after I post it. Other times, I don't notice it, at all. Stuff happens to all of us. No big deal.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 17, 2014 19:17:07 GMT -5
oh god, not you too. i thought you were one of the good guys. Richard- i just got new glasses, and i OFTEN can't see what i am typing now (they are not bifocals). We all do it, dj. I know I've caught myself doing the same thing more than a few times. Sometimes, I don't notice it until after I post it. Other times, I don't notice it, at all. Stuff happens to all of us. No big deal. seriously. i know it is "ban". i can read this computer here at work. oh well. i was never that great at spelling, but i am not a complete moron.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 17, 2014 19:19:30 GMT -5
No it is a over reaction to demand you to not fly. Americans are crazy because 3 cases totally but nobody is worried maybe they will die from a heart attack this week because they are obese and still eating bad foods. If people are afraid to die maybe they better worry more about what will probably kill them than about what will probably not kill them. Americans are no crazier than anyone anyplace else. We're all human beings and we all have faults and show weaknesses. the key here is whether we are learning or not. let's hope we are.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 17, 2014 19:20:01 GMT -5
We all do it, dj. I know I've caught myself doing the same thing more than a few times. Sometimes, I don't notice it until after I post it. Other times, I don't notice it, at all. Stuff happens to all of us. No big deal. seriously. i know it is "ban". i can read this computer here at work. oh well. i was never that great at spelling, but i am not a complete moron. So many things we type we type almost by rote. We don't stop and think about it. Band may well be a word you type more than you type ban, so that's what you typed. I know I tend to do that.
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I'm sorry... but I have to ask... Are they arm bands... or wrist bands... and what color are they? oh god, not you too. i thought you were one of the good guys. Richard- i just got new glasses, and i OFTEN can't see what i am typing now (they are not bifocals). I AM one of the good guys... I just couldn't resist!
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oh god, not you too. i thought you were one of the good guys. Richard- i just got new glasses, and i OFTEN can't see what i am typing now (they are not bifocals). We all do it, dj. I know I've caught myself doing the same thing more than a few times. Sometimes, I don't notice it until after I post it. Other times, I don't notice it, at all. Stuff happens to all of us. No big deal. Honestly, when I make a funny typo and someone else points it out to me in a humorous fashion, I usually laugh my arse off right along with them.
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