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Post by justme on Sept 29, 2014 20:32:15 GMT -5
That rarely happens. That is an unsubstantiated chestnut folks like to pull out for distraction. Actually the whole article is another distraction. It starts out talking about abduction and murder and a real life example of such a case and does a back flip with a double twist to suddenly be talking about false allegations. What a contortionist! BS. It can't be that rare.. I personally know of two instances. One was my brother, the other was a former female friend that bragged about her false accusation years after she had done it (she did it before I knew her, and bragged about it several years later). Just to compare. How many people do you know that were actually raped then? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 20:40:18 GMT -5
BS. It can't be that rare.. I personally know of two instances. One was my brother, the other was a former female friend that bragged about her false accusation years after she had done it (she did it before I knew her, and bragged about it several years later). Just to compare. How many people do you know that were actually raped then? That I actually know of? Four. That it happened to and I am unaware of? Probably many more than four. I never said it didn't happen. I never even said it wasn't predominantly "real" rape that happens / gets reported. I just don't whitewash over the false accusations as some do. They count. And they are what (in my opinion) diminish women's safety. |
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Post by Angel! on Sept 29, 2014 20:43:58 GMT -5
This is a really stupid article. It is like saying we shouldn't worry about child abuse because kidnappings are the real tragedy. Or you shouldn't worry about hail damage on your house because house fires are what should concern you.
The comparisons are stupid. A woman being kidnapped and murdered is pretty rare. I don't think the fact that it happens occasionally somehow makes rape a crime to be ignored.
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Post by Angel! on Sept 29, 2014 20:45:02 GMT -5
Just to compare. How many people do you know that were actually raped then? That I actually know of? Four. That it happened to and I am unaware of? Probably many more than four. I never said it didn't happen. I never even said it wasn't predominantly "real" rape that happens / gets reported. I just don't whitewash over the false accusations as some do. They count. And they are what (in my opinion) diminish women's safety. How does false rape accusations diminish women's safety? Not seeing the connection. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 20:46:46 GMT -5
That I actually know of? Four. That it happened to and I am unaware of? Probably many more than four. I never said it didn't happen. I never even said it wasn't predominantly "real" rape that happens / gets reported. I just don't whitewash over the false accusations as some do. They count. And they are what (in my opinion) diminish women's safety. How does false rape accusations diminish women's safety? Not seeing the connection. False accusations make real cries for help less responded to or less believed. |
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 29, 2014 20:48:10 GMT -5
Me either. And they "count" for what?
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Post by justme on Sept 29, 2014 20:48:58 GMT -5
Just to compare. How many people do you know that were actually raped then? That I actually know of? Four. That it happened to and I am unaware of? Probably many more than four. I never said it didn't happen. I never even said it wasn't predominantly "real" rape that happens / gets reported. I just don't whitewash over the false accusations as some do. They count. And they are what (in my opinion) diminish women's safety. Didn't say anything. Was just wondering on the full sample size that you were drawing on. So 2 false and 4 actual, so to you a 33% false rate though you realize the number is probably more than 4. I will admit I'm biased as two of my best friends were raped by someone they knew - and knew real well - and one of the reasons they didn't report was to avoid the accusations of "morning regrets". ETA: My bias, and what I've read from statistics makes me think peoples idea of the number of false rape reports damages real rape reports way more than the actual, factual statistics on the number of false reports. JMHO though. |
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Post by Angel! on Sept 29, 2014 20:51:02 GMT -5
How does false rape accusations diminish women's safety? Not seeing the connection. False accusations make real cries for help less responded to or less believed. Unfortunately it is the fact that some people are assholes that make real cries less believed. There is always going to be talk of she was dressed wrong, shouldn't have been at the party, just changed her mind. For god sakes, they had pics of the one highschool girl unconscious and being molested and half the town thought it was her fault. It doesn't matter how rare false rape is, it is just another excuse some will trot out whenever they need to show that somehow women aren't the victim. |
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 29, 2014 20:51:17 GMT -5
How does false rape accusations diminish women's safety? Not seeing the connection. False accusations make real cries for help less responded to or less believed. Not by anybody or any entity I know. They are smart enough to know that just because one person may have falsely accused another doesn't mean the next one does. They are smart enough to know to evaluate on a case by case basis. If your experience proves differently, you need to find a better class of people to hang with. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 20:55:46 GMT -5
False accusations make real cries for help less responded to or less believed. Unfortunately it is the fact that some people are assholes that make real cries less believed. There is always going to be talk of she was dressed wrong, shouldn't have been at the party, just changed her mind. For god sakes, they had pics of the one highschool girl unconscious and being molested and half the town thought it was her fault. It doesn't matter how rare false rape is, it is just another excuse some will trot out whenever they need to show that somehow women aren't the victim. Unconscious = rape. I'm completely on-board with that idea. I have no problem with that correlation what-so-ever. That town was wrong. |
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 29, 2014 20:56:33 GMT -5
How does false rape accusations diminish women's safety? Not seeing the connection. False accusations make real cries for help less responded to or less believed. I don't believe that, for the most part. Because false accusations are not that common, I don't think most sentient beings let those few paint their views. Rape is real. Most cases of rape reported are real. Thinking people know this and behave accordingly. People are not stupid despite what some would like to think. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 29, 2014 21:08:45 GMT -5
i don't know much about Paglia, other than she thrives on controversy, and considers God man's "greatest idea". but i fervently disagree with the opening sentence. i think that young women in college (that is what she was referring to) figure "civilization" is either a bogus concept, or can take care of itself, and that "savage nature" is in the eye of the beholder. in this case, a very jaundiced eye. Civilization may or may not be a bogus concept, and savage nature may in fact be in the eye of the beholder, but the woman in question who was no doubt abducted, and very likely killed, no longer has the luxury of intellectualizing about it- and that's exactly what the author is pointing out. |
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Post by EVT1 on Sept 29, 2014 21:11:03 GMT -5
You know, when you're roofied and you don't remember having sex, that's not real rape.... Damn right- it is about time this backwards ass country comes to terms with legitimate rape! And if you are 'raped'- don't worry  Your vagina will fight off the offensive sperm before you even wake up and know what happened- so put your skirt back on and go to class- you're late! |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 29, 2014 21:13:54 GMT -5
What, AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP, does this article have to do with radical Islam, pray tell? There is absolutely no connection here. 
My point could not be more clear: Civilization is quite fragile and it's not just young, suburban, middle-class women on college campi that take it for granted. If I really wanted to get into it, and I don't because why bother getting into normalcy bias and the Overton Window with someone who is figuratively beating their head against the wall over such a simple statement? |
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 29, 2014 21:16:15 GMT -5
What, AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP, does this article have to do with radical Islam, pray tell? There is absolutely no connection here.
My point could not be more clear: Civilization is quite fragile and it's not just young, suburban, middle-class women on college campi that take it for granted. If I really wanted to get into it, and I don't because why bother getting into normalcy bias and the Overton Window with someone who is figuratively beating their head against the wall over such a simple statement? Oh, bull carp! The statement is simple, all right. It's also bull carp! Sorry, paul, but the twists and spins made in an effort to string your myriad rants together most often end up making whatever you're saying absolutely meaningless and lacking in any modicum of credibility. That has happened here, as it's happened in other threads. You may think you've got it all down. I don't. I don't think I'm alone, either. |
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Post by EVT1 on Sept 29, 2014 21:18:47 GMT -5
"Despite hysterical propaganda about our “rape culture,” the majority of campus incidents being carelessly described as sexual assault are not felonious rape (involving force or drugs) but oafish hookup melodramas, arising from mixed signals and imprudence on both sides."
Ahhhh- imprudence on both sides  Mixed signals She said no but her eyes said yes Oafish hookups
So how many males are claiming sexual assault or rape?
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Post by justme on Sept 29, 2014 21:20:07 GMT -5
I would think the fragility of civilization on college campuses and its nearness of savage nature is far and away less understood by the men on the campus than the women.
It makes me want to go back and ask my guy friends from college if they remember where every emergency pillar thing was on campus. I doubt they do. I knew the nearest ones to my apartment on campus as well as what route to take to continue to find the nearest one. Why the nearest one? Because there was no way in hell I was going to stop at one and wait for 911 and police to respond even though the campus police station was 60 seconds from where I lived. Damn straight I'd be leaving a trail for them to follow if I couldn't get to my cell and the person was still chasing me.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 29, 2014 21:22:24 GMT -5
False accusations make real cries for help less responded to or less believed. , for the most part. Because false accusations are not that common, I don't think most sentient beings let those few paint their views. Rape is real. Most cases of rape reported are real. Thinking people know this and behave accordingly. People are not stupid despite what some would like to think. Well, then you're wrong. Never heard the story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"? You pull the fire alarm every day at random times, people stop responding to the fire alarm. How do you know false accusations are not that common? I agree with you that it is likely that most cases of rape that are reported have merit, but I have no data- and you supplied no data to back up the assertion that false accusations are not that common. Further, to the accused, it doesn't matter if he was the only one that year, now does it? Speaking of common- the various forms of rape feminists spend most of their time wringing their hands over are not that common. Certainly not as common as claimed. And you're correct- thinking people do...behave accordingly. They are not stupid. And that's why most of the bullshit about "rape culture" goes in one ear and out the other. You may not agree, but in my opinion, the author is right on. The smartest thing for a woman- or really anyone to do- is to stay relatively sober, develop better situational awareness, and employ safety measures like the buddy system. It's very difficult to grab two women off the street, now isn't it? |
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 29, 2014 21:26:52 GMT -5
I don't believe that, for the most part. Because false accusations are not that common, I don't think most sentient beings let those few paint their views. Rape is real. Most cases of rape reported are real. Thinking people know this and behave accordingly. People are not stupid despite what some would like to think. Well, then you're wrong. Never heard the story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"? You pull the fire alarm every day at random times, people stop responding to the fire alarm. How do you know false accusations are not that common? I agree with you that it is likely that most cases of rape that are reported have merit, but I have no data- and you supplied no data to back up the assertion that false accusations are not that common. Further, to the accused, it doesn't matter if he was the only one that year, now does it? Speaking of common- the various forms of rape feminists spend most of their time wringing their hands over are not that common. Certainly not as common as claimed. And you're correct- thinking people do...behave accordingly. They are not stupid. And that's why most of the bullshit about "rape culture" goes in one ear and out the other. You may not agree, but in my opinion, the author is right on. The smartest thing for a woman- or really anyone to do- is to stay relatively sober, develop better situational awareness, and employ safety measures like the buddy system. It's very difficult to grab two women off the street, now isn't it? No, I'm not wrong. My opinion is a valid as yours, paul, and you are not qualified, in any way, to tell me I'm wrong. First, you'd have to have my respect. The author of this particular article has about as much of my respect as you do. The problem here isn't the need to impose the "buddy system" or other limitations on women (or any other adult). The problem, in the vast majority of cases doesn't lie with the victim <gasp> <choke> <wheeze>. The problem lies with those who can't keep their damned hands to themselves and don't seem to want to realize the universe doesn't revolve around what they want, or think. |
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Post by justme on Sept 29, 2014 21:32:58 GMT -5
I don't believe that, for the most part. Because false accusations are not that common, I don't think most sentient beings let those few paint their views. Rape is real. Most cases of rape reported are real. Thinking people know this and behave accordingly. People are not stupid despite what some would like to think. Well, then you're wrong. Never heard the story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"? You pull the fire alarm every day at random times, people stop responding to the fire alarm. How do you know false accusations are not that common? I agree with you that it is likely that most cases of rape that are reported have merit, but I have no data- and you supplied no data to back up the assertion that false accusations are not that common. Further, to the accused, it doesn't matter if he was the only one that year, now does it? S peaking of common- the various forms of rape feminists spend most of their time wringing their hands over are not that common. Certainly not as common as claimed. And you're correct- thinking people do...behave accordingly. They are not stupid. And that's why most of the bullshit about "rape culture" goes in one ear and out the other. You may not agree, but in my opinion, the author is right on. The smartest thing for a woman- or really anyone to do- is to stay relatively sober, develop better situational awareness, and employ safety measures like the buddy system. It's very difficult to grab two women off the street, now isn't it? There's a "form" of rape that feminists DON'T spend their time worrying over? Really? And it's most common? I always thought feminists, or rather women in generally and hopefully at one point all men worry against all types of rape. Might be far fetched, but hey - I'm a dreamer. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 29, 2014 21:36:11 GMT -5
"Despite hysterical propaganda about our “rape culture,” the majority of campus incidents being carelessly described as sexual assault are not felonious rape (involving force or drugs) but oafish hookup melodramas, arising from mixed signals and imprudence on both sides."
Ahhhh- imprudence on both sides Mixed signals She said no but her eyes said yes Oafish hookups
So how many males are claiming sexual assault or rape?
And how many women are crying rape instead of admitting buyer's remorse? Men don't claim rape, because for the most part- they want sex. With rare exceptions, men have a much stronger drive to "hook up" than women. For men, sex is celebrated- high fives, fist bumps, etc. Hey- not the way I personally view it, but I'm not an idiot. I know the world around me and how it works. Women like sex, too-- but for women, it's a much more valuable commodity. And there's still a stigma associated with women having a one night stand. It's the old stud vs. slut double standard we've always had. Even if a man is branded a slut, they wear it like a badge of honor. Men actually train to sell women on having sex with them. There are pickup artists whose stock and trade is teaching men how to practically hypnotize women into bed with them. I've never met a man who regretted having sex the night before. Not one. In fact, for the most part men brag about having sex the night before whether or not they even did. I don't think real rape is that complicated. I get that "no means no". But a makeout session that perhaps unexpectedly goes too far, and is later regretted is not rape. Not even a little bit. If there's no actual NO- it's not rape. If there's a no, followed by a yes of any kind, including implied by actions, that's not rape. What you gotta worry about is our increasingly barbaric culture that is no longer surprised by the knockout game, or workplace beheadings, and school shootings. That's the real threat. Increasingly brazenly evil people out to do you real serious harm. To kidnap you, violently rape you- perhaps more than once over a long period of time, and then kill you. Not some drunk ass at the sports bar trying to get some that you were too hammered to say no to. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 29, 2014 21:36:58 GMT -5
Well, then you're wrong. Never heard the story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"? You pull the fire alarm every day at random times, people stop responding to the fire alarm. How do you know false accusations are not that common? I agree with you that it is likely that most cases of rape that are reported have merit, but I have no data- and you supplied no data to back up the assertion that false accusations are not that common. Further, to the accused, it doesn't matter if he was the only one that year, now does it? Speaking of common- the various forms of rape feminists spend most of their time wringing their hands over are not that common. Certainly not as common as claimed. And you're correct- thinking people do...behave accordingly. They are not stupid. And that's why most of the bullshit about "rape culture" goes in one ear and out the other. You may not agree, but in my opinion, the author is right on. The smartest thing for a woman- or really anyone to do- is to stay relatively sober, develop better situational awareness, and employ safety measures like the buddy system. It's very difficult to grab two women off the street, now isn't it? No, I'm not wrong. My opinion is a valid as yours, paul, and you are not qualified, in any way, to tell me I'm wrong. First, you'd have to have my respect. The author of this particular article has about as much of my respect as you do. The problem here isn't the need to impose the "buddy system" or other limitations on women (or any other adult). The problem, in the vast majority of cases doesn't lie with the victim <gasp> <choke> <wheeze>. The problem lies with those who can't keep their damned hands to themselves and don't seem to want to realize the universe doesn't revolve around what they want, or think. Yeah, it's just that I have a hundreds of years old parable to back up my opinion. I figure that's gotta be rooted in something. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 21:38:30 GMT -5
Wait, maybe I'm confused.. WHICH 'kind' of rape were you suggesting is not that common?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 21:40:05 GMT -5
False report is 2-8%, like any other felony. And total reports are generally figured to represent half or less than all rapes.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 29, 2014 21:43:31 GMT -5
i don't know much about Paglia, other than she thrives on controversy, and considers God man's "greatest idea". but i fervently disagree with the opening sentence. i think that young women in college (that is what she was referring to) figure "civilization" is either a bogus concept, or can take care of itself, and that "savage nature" is in the eye of the beholder. in this case, a very jaundiced eye. Civilization may or may not be a bogus concept, and savage nature may in fact be in the eye of the beholder, but the woman in question who was no doubt abducted, and very likely killed, no longer has the luxury of intellectualizing about it- and that's exactly what the author is pointing out. it seemed like she was generalizing to me. if she wasn't, i am not all that interested in 'single cases'. |
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 29, 2014 21:44:11 GMT -5
No, I'm not wrong. My opinion is a valid as yours, paul, and you are not qualified, in any way, to tell me I'm wrong. First, you'd have to have my respect. The author of this particular article has about as much of my respect as you do. The problem here isn't the need to impose the "buddy system" or other limitations on women (or any other adult). The problem, in the vast majority of cases doesn't lie with the victim <gasp> <choke> <wheeze>. The problem lies with those who can't keep their damned hands to themselves and don't seem to want to realize the universe doesn't revolve around what they want, or think. Yeah, it's just that I have a hundreds of years old parable to back up my opinion. I figure that's gotta be rooted in something. If you want to base your opinions on "hundreds of years old parable" (sic), that's certainly your prerogative. I prefer to base my opinions on what I've experienced and observed in the world around me. Of course, that does require removing one's head from one's backside ... |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 29, 2014 21:52:31 GMT -5
"Despite hysterical propaganda about our “rape culture,” the majority of campus incidents being carelessly described as sexual assault are not felonious rape (involving force or drugs) but oafish hookup melodramas, arising from mixed signals and imprudence on both sides."
Ahhhh- imprudence on both sides Mixed signals She said no but her eyes said yes Oafish hookups
So how many males are claiming sexual assault or rape?
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Post by steff on Sept 29, 2014 21:53:40 GMT -5
"Despite hysterical propaganda about our “rape culture,” the majority of campus incidents being carelessly described as sexual assault are not felonious rape (involving force or drugs) but oafish hookup melodramas, arising from mixed signals and imprudence on both sides."
Ahhhh- imprudence on both sides Mixed signals She said no but her eyes said yes Oafish hookups
So how many males are claiming sexual assault or rape?
And how many women are crying rape instead of admitting buyer's remorse? Men don't claim rape, because for the most part- they want sex. With rare exceptions, men have a much stronger drive to "hook up" than women. For men, sex is celebrated- high fives, fist bumps, etc. Hey- not the way I personally view it, but I'm not an idiot. I know the world around me and how it works. Women like sex, too-- but for women, it's a much more valuable commodity. And there's still a stigma associated with women having a one night stand. It's the old stud vs. slut double standard we've always had. Even if a man is branded a slut, they wear it like a badge of honor. Men actually train to sell women on having sex with them. There are pickup artists whose stock and trade is teaching men how to practically hypnotize women into bed with them. I've never met a man who regretted having sex the night before. Not one. In fact, for the most part men brag about having sex the night before whether or not they even did. I don't think real rape is that complicated. I get that "no means no". But a makeout session that perhaps unexpectedly goes too far, and is later regretted is not rape. Not even a little bit. If there's no actual NO- it's not rape. If there's a no, followed by a yes of any kind, including implied by actions, that's not rape. What you gotta worry about is our increasingly barbaric culture that is no longer surprised by the knockout game, or workplace beheadings, and school shootings. That's the real threat. Increasingly brazenly evil people out to do you real serious harm. To kidnap you, violently rape you- perhaps more than once over a long period of time, and then kill you. Not some drunk ass at the sports bar trying to get some that you were too hammered to say no to. Oh dear Gawd, make it stop! |
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