A Child Is Safer In An NFL Locker Room Than A Public School

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

325 Cases Of Sexual Misconduct by Teachers Since Start of 2014 School Year

Outrage anyone? Uproar?


www.inquisitr.com/1487569/nfls-got-problems-325-cases-of-sexual-misconduct-by-teachers-since-start-of-2014/

[mmhmm]

Of course. Are you saying "nyah, nyah, nyah", or what, AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP? Kids aren't really suitable subjects to be exploited to make a political point, are they? They aren't to me. I'll leave you with it.

[djAdvocate]

irrelevant.  kids are in school about.....well, infinitely more than they are in NFL locker rooms.

[mmhmm]

Frankly, this is so crass and out there it isn't worth discussing.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

I had trouble for the link in the OP to even load - and even then it caused me computer problems - I guess "The Inquisitor" web page is the equivalent of National Enquirer - something to use to line your garbage can with.

[Deleted]

Isn't "The Inquisitor" the gossip rag that employees of The Daily Planet insult?

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Does common core cover ratios? 

[busymom]

Sadly, children being victimized by school staff is nothing new. Even back when I was in elementary school, a male phy ed teacher was let go from my own school for sexual misconduct. I DO feel sorry for the victims. I think now that reporting is better. 

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It may be the "good old fashioned double standard"... but... not every student that has a fling with a teacher is traumatized or harmed.

I think while those that ARE causing harm should be punished... "harm" should have to be proven.

Under the age of consent? Punish. No question.
Had any effect on grades? Punish. No question.
Was coerced or threatened? Punish. No question.

Is a student at the school, but not in that teacher's class, AND is above the "age of consent" for the state? No punishment.

The "age of consent" either applies to EVERYONE or it is meaningless. And don't give me any of that "people in authority" crap. There's nothing illegal about a boss and employee knockin' boots, and that's basically the same "power dynamic".

ETA: if 16 (where it's set currently in 32 states) is too young... get the age changed.

[Pants]

Sept 27, 2014 22:27:35 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

It may be the "good old fashioned double standard"... but... not every student that has a fling with a teacher is traumatized or harmed.

I think while those that ARE causing harm should be punished... "harm" should have to be proven.

Under the age of consent? Punish. No question.
Had any effect on grades? Punish. No question.
Was coerced or threatened? Punish. No question.

Is a student at the school, but not in that teacher's class, AND is above the "age of consent" for the state? No punishment.

The "age of consent" either applies to EVERYONE or it is meaningless. And don't give me any of that "people in authority" crap. There's nothing illegal about a boss and employee knockin' boots, and that's basically the same "power dynamic".

ETA: if 16 (where it's set currently in 32 states) is too young... get the age changed.

Um, in many many companies, it is not allowed for people in authority positions to sleep with those who work for them. For those same "crap" reason.

[EVT1]

So another typical PBP twist to bash the government- no where in that article did it qualify that statistic to 'public' schools- he felt a need to add that.

But hey- still probably safer than churches no matter how you cut it.

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Would you allow your child in an NFL locker room?

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Sept 28, 2014 7:32:08 GMT -5 Pants said:

Sept 27, 2014 22:27:35 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

It may be the "good old fashioned double standard"... but... not every student that has a fling with a teacher is traumatized or harmed.

I think while those that ARE causing harm should be punished... "harm" should have to be proven.

Under the age of consent? Punish. No question.
Had any effect on grades? Punish. No question.
Was coerced or threatened? Punish. No question.

Is a student at the school, but not in that teacher's class, AND is above the "age of consent" for the state? No punishment.

The "age of consent" either applies to EVERYONE or it is meaningless. And don't give me any of that "people in authority" crap. There's nothing illegal about a boss and employee knockin' boots, and that's basically the same "power dynamic".

ETA: if 16 (where it's set currently in 32 states) is too young... get the age changed.

Um, in many many companies, it is not allowed for people in authority positions to sleep with those who work for them. For those same "crap" reason.

That's a company rule though... I was pointing out that there's nothing ILLEGAL about it.

[swamp]

So kids don't get sexually abused where they don't go. Sounds reasonable. 

Following that line of reasoning, I think we need to keep kids at construction sites since kids generally aren't molested there. That will keep them safe. Oh, wait..... 

[Angel!]

Sept 28, 2014 20:58:18 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Sept 28, 2014 7:32:08 GMT -5 Pants said:

Um, in many many companies, it is not allowed for people in authority positions to sleep with those who work for them. For those same "crap" reason.

That's a company rule though... I was pointing out that there's nothing ILLEGAL about it.

Is there anything illegal about a teacher sleeping with an 18 year old student? I would guess not.

It doesn't matter if a 16 year old is at the age of consent. They still can't consent to an adult over 18-21 (depending on the state) because they are still a minor. That would be statutory rape whether or not the adult was a teacher.

[Angel!]

Sept 28, 2014 15:56:58 GMT -5 hkguy said:

Would you allow your child in an NFL locker room?

I bet they learn some new vocab words.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 28, 2014 21:09:15 GMT -5 swamp said:

So kids don't get sexually abused where they don't go. Sounds reasonable. 

Following that line of reasoning, I think we need to keep kids at construction sites since kids generally aren't molested there. That will keep them safe. Oh, wait..... 

Standing in the middle of the passing lane on I-95 too. Kids won't get molested there either.

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Sept 28, 2014 21:14:43 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Sept 28, 2014 20:58:18 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

That's a company rule though... I was pointing out that there's nothing ILLEGAL about it.

Is there anything illegal about a teacher sleeping with an 18 year old student? I would guess not.

It doesn't matter if a 16 year old is at the age of consent. They still can't consent to an adult over 18-21 (depending on the state) because they are still a minor. That would be statutory rape whether or not the adult was a teacher.

Actually once a person reaches the "age of consent" they can consent to whomever they want. That's why it's called "the age of consent".

You are thinking of the so-called "close in age" exceptions to under the age of consent... like in a state with 17 as the AOC, a 16 year old with a 17 year old boyfriend... if they knock boots, they could fall into the "close in age" exception.

Here's a state that is a good example if that "close in age" exception - Texas:

The age of consent in Texas is 17 (Texas Penal Code Section 21.11). However, "...It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this section that the actor...was not more than three years older than the victim and of the opposite sex...(and) did not use duress, force, or a threat against the victim at the time of the offence" and is not a registered sex offender

Tennessee sets the AOC at 18... but also has a "close in age" exception:

The age of consent in Tennessee is 18. A close-in-age exemption allows minors aged 13–17 to engage in sexual acts with partners less than 4 years older. Penalties differ depending on the age of the minor, as well as the age difference between the minor and the offender.

Pennsylvania is kind of weird on it's AOC:

The de jure (in name) age of consent in Pennsylvania is 16 years of age for sexual consent, but a corruption of minors statute against adults corrupting the morals of minors under 18 years of age exists which makes the de facto (in fact) age of consent in Pennsylvania 18 years of age. However, the corruption of minors statute only applies to perpetrators 18 years of age and older, so it is legal for minors 16-17 to have sex with each other but not with a partner 18 or older.

Why bother setting it at 16, if you are just going to override it with another law (and a crap one at that... "corrupting the morals of a minor"? How is a 17 year old having sex with their 18 year old S/O "corrupting the morals of a minor"? Especially if they had been "doing it" before the 18 year old turned 18...) to 18


All states should just set it at above 18: unlimited consent, 16-17: age difference of no more than 4 years.

[Angel!]

Fair enough, I am getting rules confused.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 27, 2014 20:24:49 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Frankly, this is so crass and out there it isn't worth discussing.

What's crass, and 'out there' about it?  I don't find 325 cases where teachers sexually assaulted children "out there".  We've spent a LOT of national media time on ONE NFL player who abused a child- and while I do not dispute that he did just that, how does that affect the average family?  Answer: not much.  But many, many families have children in government run schools, and since the beginning of the 2014 term, there have been hundreds of cases of sexual assault of children in schools by employees of those publicly funded institutions.  Why is it crass and out there to suggest that this deserves far more attention, is far more serious, and requires immediate action to expose and stop?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

By the way- this is just the sexual assaults.  I don't have information on other violent crimes committed against children by employees and officials of public schools, nor do I have information on property crimes, though theft of private property by schools was commonplace when I was a public school vict... er, I mean student.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 28, 2014 20:58:18 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Sept 28, 2014 7:32:08 GMT -5 Pants said:

Um, in many many companies, it is not allowed for people in authority positions to sleep with those who work for them. For those same "crap" reason.

That's a company rule though... I was pointing out that there's nothing ILLEGAL about it.

Actually, it depends on the state.  I believe, though I would have to verify, that in Illinois sexual contact between teacher and student is ILLEGAL in all public schools by statute.  I seem to remember a hullabaloo about this on local talk radio going back a few years, and the teacher's defense was precisely this, and if I am not mistaken, it didn't matter because there were separate state statutes dealing with public school employees and students that went above and beyond the statutory age of consent.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Again, I can't find the details right off- but if I recall it was past graduation by some waiting period of several months.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 29, 2014 13:46:39 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

By the way- this is just the sexual assaults.  I don't have information on other violent crimes committed against children by employees and officials of public schools, nor do I have information on property crimes, though theft of private property by schools was commonplace when I was a public school vict... er, I mean student.

more kids are injured in the classroom than in hang gliding accidents, therefore hang gliders are safe.

[EVT1]

Sept 29, 2014 13:46:39 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

By the way- this is just the sexual assaults.  I don't have information on other violent crimes committed against children by employees and officials of public schools, nor do I have information on property crimes, though theft of private property by schools was commonplace when I was a public school vict... er, I mean student.

You don't even have information on sexual assaults as the article refers to 'teachers'- not 'employees and officials of public schools'.  But keep on making shit up.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 29, 2014 14:00:23 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Sept 29, 2014 13:46:39 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

By the way- this is just the sexual assaults.  I don't have information on other violent crimes committed against children by employees and officials of public schools, nor do I have information on property crimes, though theft of private property by schools was commonplace when I was a public school vict... er, I mean student.

You don't even have information on sexual assaults as the article refers to 'teachers'- not 'employees and officials of public schools'.  But keep on making shit up.

more sexual assaults occur during home schooling than in public schools, therefore homeschooling should be made illegal. 

[djAdvocate]

Sept 29, 2014 14:12:44 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

More parents assault their children than the State, therefore the State should bring up all of our children.

it takes a village, dem. 

[mmhmm]

Sept 29, 2014 13:45:00 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Sept 27, 2014 20:24:49 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Frankly, this is so crass and out there it isn't worth discussing.

What's crass, and 'out there' about it?  I don't find 325 cases where teachers sexually assaulted children "out there".  We've spent a LOT of national media time on ONE NFL player who abused a child- and while I do not dispute that he did just that, how does that affect the average family?  Answer: not much.  But many, many families have children in government run schools, and since the beginning of the 2014 term, there have been hundreds of cases of sexual assault of children in schools by employees of those publicly funded institutions.  Why is it crass and out there to suggest that this deserves far more attention, is far more serious, and requires immediate action to expose and stop?

The fact that anyone, anywhere would have to explain that to you, paul, simply justifies my statement that it isn't even worthy of a discussion. If others want to play into this kind of garbage and muck around in it with you, that's up to them. As I said, I will NOT stoop to it.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 29, 2014 14:12:44 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

More parents assault their children than the State, therefore the State should bring up all of our children.

Maybe the NFL should raise our kids.  They have a lower incidence of violence towards children than the state, or parents in the population at large.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 29, 2014 15:47:18 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Sept 29, 2014 14:12:44 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

More parents assault their children than the State, therefore the State should bring up all of our children.

Maybe the NFL should raise our kids.  They have a lower incidence of violence towards children than the state, or parents in the population at large.

The NFL players would have to act like moms to the kids. After all, children deserve a mother and father, right? In the end, we would have the feminization of the nation's children. Ergo, the end of the NFL as we know it.