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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 21:55:46 GMT -5
I'll go with the bolded... because any "specified person" may not hold the same opinion as the next guy/gal in line as to what is or isn't moral. In other words, "moral to PERSON A" may not be the same as "moral to PERSON B".... when there's a conflict between the two "moral to society, in general" trumps both. You are getting closer to what I am saying. It is usually GROUP A and GROUP B and no such thing as "moral to society in general". Hence you have liberals and conservatives (though I hate falling back on generalizations). Liberals get laws passed based on their morality and Conservatives get laws passed on their morality and everyone is getting their morality (2.a particular system of values and principles of conduct, especially one held by a specified person or society: ) legislated to them. No. What you were saying was that all laws legislate morality. That was dead wrong. Most laws don't have anything to do with morality. (and many of the ones that do get enacted that are "morality based" eventually get overturned on grounds of Unconstitutionality, anyway). |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 22:00:00 GMT -5
LOL THE CONSTITUTION!!! There! What is that if not a "a particular system of values and principles of conduct, ...held by a... society"?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 22:09:49 GMT -5
LOL THE CONSTITUTION!!! There! What is that if not a "a particular system of values and principles of conduct, ...held by a... society"? Note that I said they get OVERTURNED. The Constitution doesn't dictate morality. It dictates treatment of individual rights. Case in point "the pursuit of happiness" quite often includes activities that many puritans would find decidedly immoral. Yet, it's perfectly within the bounds of the Constitution to pursue that happiness. |
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Sept 18, 2014 22:53:37 GMT -5
Well said, @richardintn
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Post by The Captain on Sept 19, 2014 6:38:00 GMT -5
Don't remember that one. Can't say I would be against being allowed to where an american flag shirt to school. I would have to hear the actual argument though. Just to point out one thing- a fair argument can be made that an American flag shirt is a desecration of said flag which is also arguably a venerated object.
EVT - nope this was actually covered in that discussion. There is a difference between the representation of a flag, and the use of an actual. I think someone said if there were grommets involved, it was a flag. Otherwise, how could our olympic athletes have flags all over their uniforms? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 8:29:22 GMT -5
LOL THE CONSTITUTION!!! There! What is that if not a "a particular system of values and principles of conduct, ...held by a... society"? Note that I said they get OVERTURNED. The Constitution doesn't dictate morality. It dictates treatment of individual rights. Case in point "the pursuit of happiness" quite often includes activities that many puritans would find decidedly immoral. Yet, it's perfectly within the bounds of the Constitution to pursue that happiness.  The denial is so strong. |
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 19, 2014 9:15:42 GMT -5
Just to point out one thing- a fair argument can be made that an American flag shirt is a desecration of said flag which is also arguably a venerated object.
EVT - nope this was actually covered in that discussion. There is a difference between the representation of a flag, and the use of an actual. I think someone said if there were grommets involved, it was a flag. Otherwise, how could our olympic athletes have flags all over their uniforms? According to the official flag code, any representation of the flag is considered a flag. And the flag is not supposed to part of a uniform or worn on clothing. Of course, in reality, that ship sailed long ago. |
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Post by deziloooooo on Sept 19, 2014 9:29:09 GMT -5
No comment from me on topic ..just surprised this is still being discussed...Oh well, continue on my friends....  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 10:04:30 GMT -5
No comment from me on topic ..just surprised this is still being discussed...Oh well, continue on my friends.... I think we are at the "agree to disagree" moment. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 19, 2014 10:10:47 GMT -5
yeah, we are more on the discussion of WHY at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 10:36:32 GMT -5
yeah, we are more on the discussion of WHY at this point. How do we determine who gets to spin the wheel for a chance to play the showcase showdown? |
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Post by Angel! on Sept 19, 2014 10:39:03 GMT -5
This reminded me of something that happened years ago. I use to do inventory & one of my jobs was to inventory the posters at Hobby Lobby & then any that were to no longer be carried were to be thrown away. We use to slice some cuts into the trash posters so people couldn't just go steal them out of the garbage (well they still could, but you would have a poster with a bunch of cuts). Anyway, one of the posters to be destroyed was of the Last Supper painting. The guy I was with wouldn't slice it because it had a pic of Jesus. So I did it for him. Maybe I desecrated a picture of Jesus by taking a razor to his head  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 18:51:06 GMT -5
Note that I said they get OVERTURNED. The Constitution doesn't dictate morality. It dictates treatment of individual rights. Case in point "the pursuit of happiness" quite often includes activities that many puritans would find decidedly immoral. Yet, it's perfectly within the bounds of the Constitution to pursue that happiness. The denial is so strong. Of course it's strong. It's justified.  |
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