A glance at the REAL Ted Kennedy

[henryclay]

He's gone now, and can't defend himself, but as it has been said before, the truth will eventually float to the surface. Sometimes the truth brings some unpleasant odors with it. In this case the odors go back 50 years, to the time when his brother, John F. Kennedy was the sitting President. To a time almost 10 years before Mary Jo Kopechne drowned when Ted Kennedy abandoned her in an automobile he had driven into the waters of Chappaquiddick Bay. To a time when one FBI file, (just released), he was described as a spoiled brat by one American official in Peru.

Will there be more FBI files released? Where is Wikileaks when you need them the most?

www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/02/028479.php

[Tennesseer]

"He's gone now, and can't defend himself,"

That says it all.

[mmhmm]

Why would it be so important to know what a dead man did all those years ago? As you say, he's gone now. Unless you're the type of person who needs to wallow in dirt, I don't know why you'd be so interested.

[billisonboard]

Mar 1, 2011 11:43:48 GMT -5 henryclay said:

He's gone now, and can't defend himself, ...

It is interesting to see a human being's true charactor come out.

[Deleted]

Why know one of your heroes is a dirtbag?? So you can adjust your opinion, step in to reality some?? Like when I found out Abe Lincoln slaughtered Indians I adjusted my opinion bout him?? We know enough about Teddy, still he is a paragon of Dem virtue, now we know more.. how much can you guys take and still look up to the man?

[mmhmm]

Krickitt, are you now pretending to know who others see as a hero? How do you know to whom any of us might "look up"? I don't think you do.

[Deleted]

Maybe YOU don't, mmhmm, but Teddy is a Dem hero-- a true legend.

[ed1066]

It is interesting to see a human being's true charactor come out.

Indeed...

[Deleted]

Teddy was a friggen powerhouse. A wicked awesome powerhouse.

[Gardening Grandma]

Mar 1, 2011 12:02:09 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Krickitt, are you now pretending to know who others see as a hero? How do you know to whom any of us might "look up"? I don't think you do.

krickett is an expert on who Dems look up to. Just ask her....

[marjar]

Mar 1, 2011 12:40:50 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Maybe YOU don't, mmhmm, but Teddy is a Dem hero-- a true legend.

You really can't lump everyone together based on what you assume we think.
Why not try asking, instead of assuming and accusing? If your intent is to discuss, this would be a way of facilitating discussion. If not, we may assume you are not here for discussion, but for the sole purpose of derision.

[mmhmm]

Mar 1, 2011 12:40:50 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Maybe YOU don't, mmhmm, but Teddy is a Dem hero-- a true legend.

Again, krickitt, how do you know who anyone, Democrat or Republican, sees as a hero? You don't. Neither do I. These decisions are individual decisions and can't be painted onto people because of their political affiliations.

[ed1066]

Teddy was a friggen powerhouse. A wicked awesome powerhouse.

Yup. Definitely settled the "ethanol as fuel" argument for me...

[Deleted]

I see you guys are all over me?? I'm nobody's hero. What about TEDDY? Aside from Archie, no one said a word about Teddybear.

[Deleted]

Mar 1, 2011 12:55:11 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Teddy was a friggen powerhouse. A wicked awesome powerhouse.

Yup. Definitely settled the "ethanol as fuel" argument for me...

he even got Ed to change his mind! This guy was better than I even thought!

[mmhmm]

Precisely, marjar. When it becomes all about finger-pointing and announcements of the truth of that which someone really doesn't know about, discussion has gone by the boards.

[mmhmm]

Mar 1, 2011 12:56:02 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

I see you guys are all over me?? I'm nobody's hero. What about TEDDY? Aside from Archie, no one said a word about Teddybear.

Why should we? The man is dead. Dead. Gone. No longer living. Outa here. Why is it so important to denigrate the man after he's already freaking dead? Is he gonna come back from the dead and cause all sorts of grief? I doubt it.

[mmhmm]

Mar 1, 2011 12:52:25 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Mar 1, 2011 12:02:09 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Krickitt, are you now pretending to know who others see as a hero? How do you know to whom any of us might "look up"? I don't think you do.

krickett is an expert on who Dems look up to. Just ask her....

Believe it, or not, grandma, krickitt wasn't always like this.

[privateinvestor]

Yea but how many other families in our nation's history have done as much as the Kennedy's have??

[ed1066]

Why should we? The man is dead. Dead. Gone. No longer living. Outa here. Why is it so important to denigrate the man after he's already freaking dead? Is he gonna come back from the dead and cause all sorts of grief? I doubt it.

I would ask the same of the nasty libs who continue to attack Ronald Reagan...

[Deleted]

Mar 1, 2011 13:02:57 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Why should we? The man is dead. Dead. Gone. No longer living. Outa here. Why is it so important to denigrate the man after he's already freaking dead? Is he gonna come back from the dead and cause all sorts of grief? I doubt it.

I would ask the same of the nasty libs who continue to attack Ronald Reagan...

Ronnie was a friggen powerhouse too!


Long live the powerhouses!

[Tennesseer]

Mar 1, 2011 13:02:57 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Why should we? The man is dead. Dead. Gone. No longer living. Outa here. Why is it so important to denigrate the man after he's already freaking dead? Is he gonna come back from the dead and cause all sorts of grief? I doubt it.

I would ask the same of the nasty libs who continue to attack Ronald Reagan...

Easy to answer-they are attacking Reagan's role as president of the United States and not what he did in his private life which is pretty much the point of this thread.

[Gardening Grandma]

they are attacking Reagan's role as president of the United States and not what he did in his private life which is pretty much the point of this thread.

[sesfw]

'Teddy was a friggen powerhouse. A wicked awesome powerhouse. '

I feel bad for the Kennedy family in the loss of a member, but I think the US as a whole is better off without him in the Senate.

[henryclay]

"..........what he did in his private life which is pretty much the point of this thread............"

I suppose that would be what the Tabloids would say. But it was NOT the purpose of the thread. The purpose of the thread was to allow readers to look at Ted Kennedy's politics from as far back as 50 years. His private life is just icing on the cake, but the cake itself is not so tasty.

I would suggest reading the FBI page again and maybe do a little research on who he was consorting with while his brother was just settling in as President of the US. For instanxce, one named person had been an advisor to Roosevelt, but was deported after the war because of his communist activities. Ted Kennedy was like that. His brother, the President, knew he was like that. And you will look long and hard before you find the two of them together in a skull session about anything John Kennedy was involved in.
It has been said that they were polar opposites, politically. A close reading of the OP link makes that apparent to anyone familiar with John Kennedy's politics.

[handyman2]

Was he a perfect individual? NO But he is gone now so it does not matter.

[privateinvestor]

Mar 1, 2011 17:53:44 GMT -5 handyman2 said:

Was he a perfect individual? NO But he is gone now so it does not matter.

It probably doesn't matter to the people in Massachusetts or to Boston College where the Kennedy name and family are held in high regard..

I also recall after John and Bobby were killed that the long knives came out to print second and third negative gossip about them but all that did little to lessen their appeal by most of the country who measured a man by his good deeds and not by his failings....IMHO

[deziloooooo]

Mar 1, 2011 11:43:48 GMT -5 henryclay said:

He's gone now, and can't defend himself, but as it has been said before, the truth will eventually float to the surface. Sometimes the truth brings some unpleasant odors with it. In this case the odors go back 50 years, to the time when his brother, John F. Kennedy was the sitting President. To a time almost 10 years before Mary Jo Kopechne drowned when Ted Kennedy abandoned her in an automobile he had driven into the waters of Chappaquiddick Bay. To a time when one FBI file, (just released), he was described as a spoiled brat by one American official in Peru.

Will there be more FBI files released? Where is Wikileaks when you need them the most?

www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/02/028479.php

Henry as Tenn said , he is gone now and therefore theres no way to get his side of the story. I have my ideas why you brought this up but even with that thought let me give you my take on that part and see how it reads with you, or if not you others. Ok with you? good.

1961 was the height of the cold war. South America , because of the number of dictatorship types of leaderships of so many Latin American countries, the poverty on the part of so many of the populace and the spread between those who had and those who didn't have, so many of the disadvantaged were turning to the left..the communists and as he was in South America to learn , he wanted to meet with those who were of that side to better understand their wants , desires and philosophy from them themselves instead of getting the company line as most got them on what communism was about.
Actually, his idea to have some come to the Embassy to interview was brilliant and might be done today, but the establishment who got their information of the movement from the established government line and didn't want to rock the boat and were not bright enough to understand that correct information, even if uncomfortable is more important then safe information that actually is false.

As far as the brothel, "when in France do as the French do" comes to mind. Young men in that culture, that time, night out in the town to spend it in a "brothel" not uncommon, especially with the feeling of sex between young , even the old, at that time, 1961, so very up tite .
Not me of course but fellows, R/R in certain countries on leave from stressful places, not sure if they will be going home walking or...about the same time frame, bit later but not that much later, also young, out of country, guess what, they, never me , but they, very similer..ok, to rent the places for the evening , privately, free run of the houses?..How many had old Joe for a Dad.

Can you relate ??

[deziloooooo]

Mar 1, 2011 14:26:40 GMT -5 henryclay said:

"..........what he did in his private life which is pretty much the point of this thread............"

I suppose that would be what the Tabloids would say. But it was NOT the purpose of the thread. The purpose of the thread was to allow readers to look at Ted Kennedy's politics from as far back as 50 years. His private life is just icing on the cake, but the cake itself is not so tasty.

I would suggest reading the FBI page again and maybe do a little research on who he was consorting with while his brother was just settling in as President of the US. For instance, one named person had been an adviser to Roosevelt, but was deported after the war because of his communist activities. Ted Kennedy was like that. His brother, the President, knew he was like that. And you will look long and hard before you find the two of them together in a skull session about anything John Kennedy was involved in.
It has been said that they were polar opposites, politically. A close reading of the OP link makes that apparent to anyone familiar with John Kennedy's politics.

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Henry your correct , the purpose of the thread is to look at the accomplishments of the man, Senator Theodore {Ted} Kennedy, his politics of the past 50 years, hos accomplishments, if any.
You seem to think his life is summed up in a 1961 FBI report, that he isn't here to explain, I tried to do so, I think I put up a credible explanation but still , with out his voice who really knows, right?

Heres a article, it discusses 19 accomplishments, there are so many more but these are a quick read , neatly in order, for you to skim down on.
You personally may not like some of them, want to be picky, discuss, so be it, suggest a different thread for that but hell , this one is yours.
I know your agenda on any Liberal Henry, yet am daring you to open the link, be open and honest, forgetting your preconceived ideas and give a honest reading and then do you really think a 1961 FBI report , {Explained by me}that really wasn't accusatory, just a report of what the young man did , compares to these accomplishments and if they don't get to you, I can bring up so many more for your information.
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www.suite101.com/content/ted-kennedys-legislative-achievements-a144556
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Ted Kennedy's Legislative Achievements
Nineteen of His Accomplishments

Sep 2, 2009 Francine Brokaw


The American Flag - Francine Brokaw

While his life was being scrutinized in the press Senator Edward Kennedy managed to get some of the most important legislation passed in his 46 years in the Senate.

Tennessee Republican Senator Lamar Alexander said of Ted Kennedy, he was “at once the most partisan and the most constructive United States Senator.” He was definitely a man who will always be identified as being a liberal; however that did not stop him from reaching out with Republicans to help get legislation passed.

While health care had always been his main concern, Senator Kennedy was strategic in many other areas, helping those who needed help and giving a voice to those who had none.

He was a fighter for equality. His concerns included the poor, minorities, and women. Although it did not pass, he was a champion for the Equal Rights Amendment
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{click on link to read the article} Excellent article..what he accomplished, quite a legacy

[marshabar1]

Fascinating stuff, Henry. So he really was what he appeared to be. . . My my my.

In the uncensored version of the report, Judicial Watch found that Kennedy — who was the Assistant District Attorney of Suffolk County Massachusetts in 1961 — allegedly made plans to rent an entire house of prostitutes in Santiago, Chile. . .

Furthermore, the documents claimed that during his 1961 trip, Ted Kennedy — whose brother was the President at the time of his visit — requested to meet with communists and other Latin Americans who had left-wing views.

"Our tough fight with the Obama administration shows that it was not keen on letting the American people know that Ted Kennedy. . .