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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 30, 2014 23:24:28 GMT -5
Here's a thought. One example: I use them to line my little trash cans. Now, I will have to purchase new PLASTIC bags for this purpose. How is banning them going to cut down on landfill plastic? when we go shopping, we get 4-8 bags of groceries. we go probably 2x per week. we generate about 1-2 trash loads per week. therefore, we get 8x as many shopping bags in as garbage bags out. you're welcome.
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Post by bean29 on Aug 30, 2014 23:31:20 GMT -5
I use Target plastic bags to line the bathroom garbage cans. The ones from the grocery store are so thin they often have holes before you unload the groceries. I use the ones from the grocery store to pick up doggie do do.
I do like the reusable bags because they hold more and are easy to handle. I use them about 50% of the time....I still need to pick up after the dog so I need some plastic bags.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Aug 30, 2014 23:39:55 GMT -5
I buy plastic (drawstring) litter box liners for lining the litter box - then I just have to remove the liner, cinch up the drawstring to seal the litter & poop, and discard into the larger Glad bag that goes to the outside trash with other garbage.
If the litter box gets 'funky' mid-week before garbage day, I do sometimes scoop out some of the poop and place in a smaller bag - but I don't have that many just lying around the house anymore. I sometimes also scoop & flush cat poop before it has a chance to accumulate in the litter box.
If I shop at a mall and they put my purchases into a plastic bag I do save those just for purposes such as that. I don't just throw the bags away though.
I try to find another use for them - but as mentioned, for grocery shopping, I have cloth bags - and any meats or things that might leak in the cloth bags, they place into much smaller produce bags like you see in the fresh fruits veggies section - rather than in a full-sized plastic grocery bag.
A couple of stores where I get groceries also have recycle bins to deposit any plastic bags for re-purposing. If I have a few around the house, I take them with me to place in their bin rather than throwing them out with the trash.
There's too much non-biodegradable crapola in the landfills already. No need to add more if it can be avoided.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 31, 2014 6:44:43 GMT -5
That's me. I knew I could find *something* we'd agree on.
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Post by morrisr2d2 on Aug 31, 2014 6:56:05 GMT -5
I would be in favor of banning them. I don't line the little bathroom trash cans just them into the bigger kitchen one before I take it out, and then wash it occasionally. Doggie poo I use the biodegradable ones made of a corn material and they start degrading within weeks. I know cause I accidentally have left them too long in the outside trash can. Problem is they are expensive so people won't spend money on them. Cat litter is a problem I don't think I ever found degradable bags for that.
What's the solution for baby diapers those have to be the worse offenders. I remember my mom using cloth on my sister.
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Post by morrisr2d2 on Aug 31, 2014 6:59:56 GMT -5
Or better yet for the dog I do try to walk him at the state park where he is free to do his business deep in the woods of Mother Nature, and leave it for her to handle. That cuts down on bags too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 11:22:15 GMT -5
kent-I have little use for the plastic bags so I throw them out. The clog up the landfills but that is all the grocery stores offer. At least with paper bags, you can cut them up and add them to your compost piles and they will decompose. I would be willing to pay for paper bags. Some may not be willing and I can appreciate their position. The plastic thingies holding the soda bottles and cans get cut up into fine pieces just for the reason you mention. why don't you take your own reusable bags?
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 1, 2014 11:26:46 GMT -5
Grocery stores will take them back btw.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 11:29:19 GMT -5
I would be in favor of banning them. I don't line the little bathroom trash cans just them into the bigger kitchen one before I take it out, and then wash it occasionally. Doggie poo I use the biodegradable ones made of a corn material and they start degrading within weeks. I know cause I accidentally have left them too long in the outside trash can. Problem is they are expensive so people won't spend money on them. Cat litter is a problem I don't think I ever found degradable bags for that. What's the solution for baby diapers those have to be the worse offenders. I remember my mom using cloth on my sister. I was beginning to think I was the only one who didn't line all their trash cans (obviously the kitchen one has a bag). every 2 weeks when the cleaning person comes she empties all the other trash cans into one bag (or the kitchen one if there's enough room). I use a litter genie for the cat scooping so that gets removed when it's full. I but bags for dog scooping since the dog goes multiple times on a walk and I would hate to be wasting an entire target or grocery bag as opposed to one little poop bag. like others have said, reusable bags hold what 2-3 plastic bags hold and are much easier to carry.
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Post by Blonde Granny on Sept 1, 2014 11:51:10 GMT -5
I made 7 canvas bags about 5 years ago. We carry them in the back of my vehicle. My instructions for cashiers is to fill them up. They are reinforced and since I was the one who made them I know how strong they are.
I still save a couple of the bigger produce bags that Walmart has and we use them for trash in the car when on a long trip. I also keep a 1/2 dozen or so regular plastic bags for liners in small wastebaskets. I now buy 13 gal. plastic liners for the trash can in the kitchen. I don't think keeping a trash can sitting out in the kitchen is attractive, so the 13 gal. one fits under the sink.
A few years ago WMT decreased the size of their plastic bags along with making them more flimsy. It may have saved them money, but it probably makes people use more since it's so easy to tear them.
If they want plastic bags to go away, start putting a price on using them, $.25-.50 per bag should do it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2014 11:58:46 GMT -5
I made 7 canvas bags about 5 years ago. We carry them in the back of my vehicle. My instructions for cashiers is to fill them up. They are reinforced and since I was the one who made them I know how strong they are.
I still save a couple of the bigger produce bags that Walmart has and we use them for trash in the car when on a long trip. I also keep a 1/2 dozen or so regular plastic bags for liners in small wastebaskets. I now buy 13 gal. plastic liners for the trash can in the kitchen. I don't think keeping a trash can sitting out in the kitchen is attractive, so the 13 gal. one fits under the sink.
A few years ago WMT decreased the size of their plastic bags along with making them more flimsy. It may have saved them money, but it probably makes people use more since it's so easy to tear them.
If they want plastic bags to go away, start putting a price on using them, $.25-.50 per bag should do it. $7.50 each.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 12:02:54 GMT -5
when we go shopping, we get 4-8 bags of groceries. we go probably 2x per week. we generate about 1-2 trash loads per week. therefore, we get 8x as many shopping bags in as garbage bags out. you're welcome. I use and eventually recycle EVERY plastic shopping bag we bring home. It may be to simply pick up some dog poop, but every bag gets recycled in some way. I do think, though that banning them is probably a good idea. I guess I will have to use toilet paper to pick up dog poop. They aren't going to ban toilet paper, are they?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2014 12:08:53 GMT -5
when we go shopping, we get 4-8 bags of groceries. we go probably 2x per week. we generate about 1-2 trash loads per week. therefore, we get 8x as many shopping bags in as garbage bags out. you're welcome. I use and eventually recycle EVERY plastic shopping bag we bring home. i think you mean RE-USE, right? they still end up in landfill.It may be to simply pick up some dog poop, but every bag gets recycled in some way. I do think, though that banning them is probably a good idea. I guess I will have to use toilet paper to pick up dog poop. They aren't going to ban toilet paper, are they? if plastic bags were made bio-degradable (not a hard thing to do), this discussion would go away.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 13:14:34 GMT -5
when we go shopping, we get 4-8 bags of groceries. we go probably 2x per week. we generate about 1-2 trash loads per week. therefore, we get 8x as many shopping bags in as garbage bags out. you're welcome. I use and eventually recycle EVERY plastic shopping bag we bring home. It may be to simply pick up some dog poop, but every bag gets recycled in some way. I do think, though that banning them is probably a good idea. I guess I will have to use toilet paper to pick up dog poop. They aren't going to ban toilet paper, are they? you can buy dog poop bags - $8 for 120 bags. why on earth would you go on a walk with your dog and use toilet paper to pick it up and then carry it until you find a trash can?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 13:56:56 GMT -5
I use and eventually recycle EVERY plastic shopping bag we bring home. It may be to simply pick up some dog poop, but every bag gets recycled in some way. I do think, though that banning them is probably a good idea. I guess I will have to use toilet paper to pick up dog poop. They aren't going to ban toilet paper, are they? you can buy dog poop bags - $8 for 120 bags. why on earth would you go on a walk with your dog and use toilet paper to pick it up and then carry it until you find a trash can? No walks. She goes on the lawn outside our door.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 13:59:05 GMT -5
That's me. I knew I could find *something* we'd agree on. I can remember when these bags first appeared in our grocery store. Mom, so excited, came into the house with them lined up on each arm, just like in your photo, exclaiming, "I can carry all the groceries in one trip with these bags!"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 14:17:26 GMT -5
you can buy dog poop bags - $8 for 120 bags. why on earth would you go on a walk with your dog and use toilet paper to pick it up and then carry it until you find a trash can? No walks. She goes on the lawn outside our door. your dog never gets a walk? buy small trash bags or actual poop bags to pick it up.....you still have to scoop - get poop scoop bags
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 1, 2014 14:23:59 GMT -5
I do a combination of reusable bags I bring from home (they live in the trunk of the car, actually) and paper bags. I don't mind paying for the paper bags as the cats have a great time playing with them. When they tear up my stash of paper bags, I just get some more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 14:46:31 GMT -5
No walks. She goes on the lawn outside our door. your dog never gets a walk? buy small trash bags or actual poop bags to pick it up.....you still have to scoop - get poop scoop bags She has the run of the whole back yard. No walks really needed. If she poops near the deck, it will work to just pick it up with toilet paper and then it into the toilet. But I will keep in mind the poop bags. Thanks.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 1, 2014 15:52:18 GMT -5
I use Target plastic bags to line the bathroom garbage cans. The ones from the grocery store are so thin they often have holes before you unload the groceries. I use the ones from the grocery store to pick up doggie do do. I do like the reusable bags because they hold more and are easy to handle. I use them about 50% of the time....I still need to pick up after the dog so I need some plastic bags. This is what I used to do too. I would not bring my reusable grocery bags into the store when I got to the bottom of my stash of plastic bags. A couple trips, and I was good for a couple months. On one of my trips, I got tackled by a HS tudent attempting to convert me. I told him that most trips I did use reusable bags, but this was a shopping trip where I needed to refill my stash. He didn't understand the incongruity of needing to purchase plastic bags for scooping cat litter vs recycling the plastic grocery bags. So now, we purchase plastic bags to pick up dog poop and to scoop cat litter.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 17:43:18 GMT -5
I do a combination of reusable bags I bring from home (they live in the trunk of the car, actually) and paper bags. I don't mind paying for the paper bags as the cats have a great time playing with them. When they tear up my stash of paper bags, I just get some more. Tearing up paper bags keeps our little pup busy for hours. Of course, I'm the one who has to later sweep up the mess.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 2, 2014 9:54:08 GMT -5
Whew! That was close. There was almost something left that CA didn't make less convenient, more unpleasant, and expensive for people that live there. I will admit there is an upside to plastic garbage- there is a nice island of it floating in the Pacific with no government and no onerous regulations- perhaps you would like to move there You can just your plastic on the edge and gain acreage at the same time Not saying there's no problem- but the problem is nowhere near "island" proportions, and the fact is that the trash isn't coming from the United States- let alone, Californian's carrying their groceries home in plastic bags.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 2, 2014 9:55:02 GMT -5
No walks. She goes on the lawn outside our door. your dog never gets a walk? buy small trash bags or actual poop bags to pick it up.....you still have to scoop - get poop scoop bags I use them for the dog if he goes on the walk. If it's in my yard, I just water it in.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 2, 2014 10:37:59 GMT -5
I will admit there is an upside to plastic garbage- there is a nice island of it floating in the Pacific with no government and no onerous regulations- perhaps you would like to move there You can just your plastic on the edge and gain acreage at the same time Not saying there's no problem- but the problem is nowhere near "island" proportions, and the fact is that the trash isn't coming from the United States- let alone, Californian's carrying their groceries home in plastic bags. really? this looks fairly macroscopic to me:
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 2, 2014 11:01:57 GMT -5
Not saying there's no problem- but the problem is nowhere near "island" proportions, and the fact is that the trash isn't coming from the United States- let alone, Californian's carrying their groceries home in plastic bags. really? this looks fairly macroscopic to me: 1. I didn't say there wasn't a problem. 2. I saw no "island of trash" floating in the pacific. 3. I saw no evidence that the trash in the birds was not either placed there for the photos / videos; that it came from the ocean itself and not say land-based sources like landfills, and finally- I saw no evidence that it was the cause of death. Unfortunately, video is a very powerful and persuasive tool used quite often for propaganda-- and the fact that we've already been burned by many of these 'environmental' tales with their photographic and videographic 'evidence' which later have turned out to have been total frauds. I'd rather trust the data, the real science that's out there- I'd rather know the methodology, and make a judgment based on that than a video clearly designed to sway me that there's a mega-crisis out there. And I saw not one plastic bag from a CA grocery out there, btw.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 2, 2014 11:13:34 GMT -5
really? this looks fairly macroscopic to me: 1. I didn't say there wasn't a problem. cool. then describe the problem for me.2. I saw no "island of trash" floating in the pacific. me neither. but the premise of your rebuttal is that the trash is microscopic. that premise is also false. so it would appear that your rebuttal is no better than the conclusion the author is laughingly dismissing.3. I saw no evidence that the trash in the birds was not either placed there for the photos / videos; that it came from the ocean itself and not say land-based sources like landfills, and finally- I saw no evidence that it was the cause of death. no, you didn't see any of that, but that is because you have not researched it. i have. and if i were not absolutely certain of the facts, i would not have posted it. if you are interested in the how and why, i will be happy to post it, but i have to go to work, and won't be on again until late today.Unfortunately, video is a very powerful and persuasive tool used quite often for propaganda it is not unfortunate. it is fact.-- and the fact that we've already been burned by many of these 'environmental' tales with their photographic and videographic 'evidence' which later have turned out to have been total frauds. i love your skepticism, Paul. believe me- i share it with most things. let me ask you this: have i ever posted something that i could not back up?I'd rather trust the data, the real science that's out there- I'd rather know the methodology, and make a judgment based on that than a video clearly designed to sway me that there's a mega-crisis out there. that is not what what Chris Jordan is trying to do. what he is describing in the video is the subtle interplay between humans and animals, and how the "invisible" consequences of our casual carelessness can lead to disasters for certain species. it is not a crisis at all, unless you are an Albatross. it is simply an unseen consequence of casual carelessness.And I saw not one plastic bag from a CA grocery out there, btw. that is because they turn into the kind of "confetti" that is not consumed by birds. the birds are attracted to bright colors. i will explain why, later, if you have not already researched it yourself. let's see how curious you are.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 2, 2014 11:19:15 GMT -5
I prefer to stay focused on the issues at hand, and not bring in new issues to confuse them. It is because of this that it's not even important that you back up your post.
1. Issue #1- CA's grocery bag ban will save birds by 2. Issue #2- cutting down on the size of the massive 'island of trash' in the Pacific
My point is #1, I doubt it; and #2, there's no such island and #3-- the bulk of the trash / litter / etc that DOES exist out there and IS a problem-- does not originate in the US, let alone CA.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 2, 2014 11:29:12 GMT -5
I prefer to stay focused on the issues at hand, and not bring in new issues to confuse them. It is because of this that it's not even important that you back up your post. 1. Issue #1- CA's grocery bag ban will save birds by 2. Issue #2- cutting down on the size of the massive 'island of trash' in the Pacific My point is #1, I doubt it; and #2, there's no such island and #3-- the bulk of the trash / litter / etc that DOES exist out there and IS a problem-- does not originate in the US, let alone CA. fine. i have no disagreement with you there. but here is where we disagree: that our floating garbage (it's ours. that is easily verified- and when i say "ours" i mean CALIFORNIA, mostly- not Florida, or Alaska, or Washington or Japan) is killing birds on Midway. it is not "microscopic", it is "macroscopic" trash. now, you can easily say that you don't give a f*&k. that is fine. it is just a bunch of stupid birds, after all- birds that you will likely never see- so who gives a crap? a lot of Americans would be on board with that opinion. having screw off plastic lids on your diet Coke (tm) is way more important than the Albatross, so f*&k those birds. we can talk about why i am so certain and whether you care or not, later. have a great day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 12:03:56 GMT -5
I do a combination of reusable bags I bring from home (they live in the trunk of the car, actually) and paper bags. I don't mind paying for the paper bags as the cats have a great time playing with them. When they tear up my stash of paper bags, I just get some more. My cats love them too especially with a little catnip in them. I put three bags on the floor one for each cat and they all want to get in the same one.
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 2, 2014 12:08:08 GMT -5
I do a combination of reusable bags I bring from home (they live in the trunk of the car, actually) and paper bags. I don't mind paying for the paper bags as the cats have a great time playing with them. When they tear up my stash of paper bags, I just get some more. My cats love them too especially with a little catnip in them. I put three bags on the floor one for each cat and they all want to get in the same one.
Cats quite enjoy being contrary.
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