Obama Ends Romneys Primary Chances

[deziloooooo]

Feb 28, 2011 16:26:52 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Link, Dez-- to Romney wanting the healthcare thing against the wishes of the majority of the state??
Thx.

Okay and the following is a easy one to see..just google , wicki..if you want the whole Biography I will get it for you but I only know how to do one cut/past at a time..any one tell me how to do more then one?? I am a computer doophus always willing to learn.
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"Romney was at the forefront of a movement to bring near-universal health insurance coverage to the state, after a business executive told him at the start of his term that doing so would be the best way he could help people[89][90] and after the federal government, due to the rules of Medicaid funding, threatened to cut $385 million in those payments to Massachusetts if the state did not reduce the number of uninsured recipients of health care services.[89][13][91] Despite not having campaigned on the idea of universal health insurance,[92] Romney decided that because people without insurance still received expensive health care, the money spent by the state for such care could be better used to subsidize insurance for the poor.[90]

After positing that any measure adopted not raise taxes and not resemble the previous decade's failed "Hillarycare" proposal, Romney formed a team of consultants from different political backgrounds that beginning in late 1994 came up with a set of innovative proposals more ambitious than an incremental one from the Massachusetts Senate and more acceptable to him than one from the Massachusetts House of Representatives that incorporated a new payroll tax.[89][13][91] In particular, Romney successfully pushed for incorporating an individual mandate at the state level.[4] Past rival Ted Kennedy, who had made universal heath coverage his life's work and who over time developed a warm relationship with Romney,[93] gave Romney's plan a positive reception, which encouraged Democratic legislators to work with it.[89][91] The effort eventually gained the support of all major stakeholders within the state, and Romney helped break a logjam between rival Democratic leaders in the legislature.[89][91]

On April 12, 2006, Romney signed the resulting Massachusetts health reform law, which requires nearly all Massachusetts residents to buy health insurance coverage or face escalating tax penalties such as the loss of their personal income tax exemption.[94] The bill also establishes means-tested state subsidies for people who do not have adequate employer insurance and who make below an income threshold, by using funds previously designated to compensate for the health costs of the uninsured.[95][96][97] He vetoed eight sections of the health care legislation, including a controversial $295-per-employee assessment on businesses that do not offer health insurance and provisions guaranteeing dental benefits to Medicaid recipients.[94][98] The legislature overrode all eight vetoes; Romney's communications director Eric Fehrnstrom responded by saying, "These differences with the Legislature are not essential to the goal of getting everyone covered with insurance."[98] Romney said of the measure overall, "There really wasn't Republican or Democrat in this. People ask me if this is conservative or liberal, and my answer is yes. It's liberal in the sense that we're getting our citizens health insurance. It's conservative in that we're not getting a government takeover."[89] The law was the first of its kind in the nation and became the signature achievement of Romney's term in office.[91][nb 3]"

[ugonow]

The Corner

Romney Is ‘Proud’ of Romneycare

February 25, 2011 11:01 A.M. By Katrina Trinko
Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney has no regrets about launching Romneycare. In response to new criticisms of his universal health-care plan for Massachusetts (which included an individual mandate) by Mike Huckabee, Romney’s spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom said that Romney was “proud” of the program.

“Mitt Romney is proud of what he accomplished for Massachusetts in getting everyone covered,” Fehrnstrom told the Boston Globe.

“What’s important now is to return to the states the power to determine their own healthcare solutions by repealing Obamacare. A one-size-fits-all plan for the entire nation just doesn’t work,” Fehrnstrom added.

Huckabee wrote in his new book, A Simple Government, that Obama administrated has chosen to “emulate” Romneycare when creating Obamacare. He also called Romney’s health-care plan “socialized medicine.”

Huckabee told the Associated Press earlier this week that Romney should admit his health-care plan was a mistake.

“The position he should take is to say: ‘Look, the reason Obamacare won’t work is because we’ve tried it at the state level and we know it won’t work,’” Huckabee said.
www.nationalreview.com/corner/260722/romney-proud-romneycare-katrina-trinko

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Oh, yeah- ObamaCare destroyed Romney's chances. Many of us knew that in the last primary when it was clear that a government takeover of healthcare was going to be an issue. It's interesting to see that Obama is more or less finally admitting he's for Massachussett's style government health care, though.

[ugonow]

Actually,paul, I just found the piece humorus ,but somehow it took a strange turn.........

[swamp]

Mar 2, 2011 9:36:28 GMT -5 ugonow said:

Actually,paul, I just found the piece humorus ,but somehow it took a strange turn.........

Somebody didn't see the humor in something over here? Tell me it ain't so...............

[reasonfreedom]

Feb 28, 2011 15:22:14 GMT -5 swamp said:

Feb 28, 2011 15:19:18 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Well, he's not a candidate, but Obama has upheld nearly every policy developed by George W. Bush, including the Afghanistan surge policy, harsh terrorist interrogations, warrantless wiretapping, the Patriot Act and extraordinary renditions. In related news, of course, liberals now LOVE all these things, so any incoming Republican president need only voice his support for Obama's "staying the course" that Bush set during his administration...

So if he's upheld nearly every Republican policy, why do you "conservative" guys spend so much time bashing him? Isn't he following Bush's program closely enough?

I think Bush was the worst president we have had and Obama is just following in his foot steps. The only thing Obama is good at is PR, anything intellectual is a negative. I give Obama credit for public speaking, which Bush was horrible at.

[reasonfreedom]

From Obama's past senate records, I see him as one who accepts other peoples ideas and doesn't create any of his own. How many bills or amendments did he make on his own accord?

[floridayankee]

Mar 2, 2011 9:26:46 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Oh, yeah- ObamaCare destroyed Romney's chances. Many of us knew that in the last primary when it was clear that a government takeover of healthcare was going to be an issue. It's interesting to see that Obama is more or less finally admitting he's for Massachussett's style government health care, though.

Actually, Romneycare destroyed Romney's chances...that and the fact that he tries to avoid the speaking of the program he's "so proud of".

Tim Cahill is the state treasurer of Massachusetts and is currently running as an independent for governor. Mr Cahill has summed up the effects of RomneyCare, “I can speak with authority about the Massachusetts pilot program. It has been a fiscal train wreck.”

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

FY- exactly. There's simply no way that Romney has any credibility on the biggest issue of the 2012 campaign. The American people are NOT going to live with ObamaCare. "We The People" are in it for the long haul, and we will see this law repealed, stripped of authority, defunded, and attacked from every angle possible until it is GONE. And there's no way we're going to go to the polls and elect someone when it is not clear we can trust that person to be consistent, clear, and trustworthy on their commitment to repealing ObamaCare. And I wouldn't be too excited about voter enthusiasm for "replace", either. I think it's going to be more like HANDS OFF!!! from here on out.

[deziloooooo]

Mar 2, 2011 12:16:52 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

FY- exactly. There's simply no way that Romney has any credibility on the biggest issue of the 2012 campaign. The American people are NOT going to live with ObamaCare. "We The People" are in it for the long haul, and we will see this law repealed, stripped of authority, defunded, and attacked from every angle possible until it is GONE. And there's no way we're going to go to the polls and elect someone when it is not clear we can trust that person to be consistent, clear, and trustworthy on their commitment to repealing ObamaCare. And I wouldn't be too excited about voter enthusiasm for "replace", either. I think it's going to be more like HANDS OFF!!! from here on out.

I think it will be tweaked and modified as time goes on..as it should be..a ongoing process as time goes on, however, I don't see it going away, especially since medical cost will still be rising, more and more companies cut back on their contributions to health insurance as is happening now and has happened on other programs, see how many have opted out on contributions to 401's..all the way down to 0 contributions, as well as the continued high unemployment rates that I believe will be the norm rather then the accept ion, {do hope I am wrong here, but don't see it, no more 4/5 % as a norm by a long shot, try 8/9 % methinks} and with those jobs that come along, $10/15 per hour, big contributions from employers not going to happen, see Wal-Mart as a major employer in the country.

I thinkn your looking at it from a personal set up, what ever you have now , it's very good and you don't want a change thus the felings, but i suggest, look around, see what is happening to so many, your friends, neighbors , ok strangers...it's not what you or I to be honest with you, have.
My feelings on it....

[EVT1]

Hopefully it will morph into a nationwide single payer plan- it seems they are going to allow states to opt out the law by providing a system that meets or exceeds its standards, so once one of these systems is put in place, it will just be a matter of time before the cost savings and improvements are impossible to ignore by other states, slowly moving health insurance companies into lesser roles as supplemental policy writers or the dust bin. For the best possible plan, Medicare/Medicaid will have to be absorbed into the plans which will require a nationwide merge. It is coming eventually- VT is looking to be first.