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Post by decoy409 on Feb 27, 2011 10:39:16 GMT -5
Hi folks this way! I am stepping outside the box of Market Talk as I rarely do. I stated a few years back at MSN MT that we can not divide the market and politics as they are one. Scoffed at and told to settle down was I. Well I also said that time was short and that all these intertwined connections would show and that indeed we would see that the two are one. I have been avid in my quest and hold no punches back. I tell not half truths and I certainly do not support lies and misguiding others from what is going on. I use TRUTH to fight the corruption,and in turn get slammed around by some for doing so. Everybody has a agenda. Mine has been the same all along. To take down half truths and expose things for what they are. I called the state of things long ago and started sharing my views more than 3 years back on MSN MT. Posts with 40-50 thousand hits at MSN MT simply vanished and never to be found and no explanation except for, 'it's a computer glitch' from moderators. You can not silence TRUTH. You can slow it down and hide it but the light will always bring it right back out for all to see. I explained where this would lead to and in FACT time is short and 3 years plus back when I stated such, why time certainly was short. Now here we are, as I had professed. 100,000 strong in Wisconsin ‘The largest protest in Madison since the Vietnam war’... www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/02/100000-strong-in-wisconsin/And the number grows throughout our states. And as I have professed this has escalated from 'Collective Bargaing' to a whole ball of wax melting ferociously by the light of all of them talking and sharing. Madison police chief asks Walker to explain ‘troubling’ comments (excerpt) "I spent a good deal of time overnight thinking about Governor Walker's response, during his news conference yesterday, to the suggestion that his administration 'thought about' planting troublemakers among those who are peacefully protesting his bill," Wray said in a statement." I would like to hear more of an explanation from Governor Walker as to what exactly was being considered, and to what degree it was discussed by his cabinet members." "I find it very unsettling and troubling that anyone would consider creating safety risks for our citizens and law enforcement officers. Our department works hard dialoging with those who are exercising their First Amendment right, those from both sides of the issue, to make sure we are doing everything we can to ensure they can demonstrate safely," he said. Yes Mr. Wray you question away. And Mr. Wray I am sorry to see that as soon as you made the statement as to the National Guard coming in and quelling and disbursing the crowd here (that is growing daily) and it was OMITTED quickly from the HEADLINE NEWS upon it breaking, that you question even harder!
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 27, 2011 11:03:51 GMT -5
Decay, not sure what your position is here but the fact of the matter is that Wisconsin (the entire country for that matter) simply can no longer pay the outrageous benefits unions have bullied their way into getting. They are going to be lucky to hold on to their useless jobs let alone continuing to fleece the good hardworking patriotic taxpayers of the country.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 11:18:02 GMT -5
It is my understanding that the guard is on standby to cover safety issues, like stand in for cops, prison guards, etc, if they should walk off the job. I have heard nothing to suggest there are American fighting men getting ready to attack Americans. As long as your unions don't start shooting, there should be no war here. Are you suggesting the re-education camps are going to be filled with liberals?? Damn, and here I thought they were going to be filled with conservatives!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 11:20:50 GMT -5
Any way, decoy- nice to meet you. I don't think our politics match up, but anyone that posts such inflammatory stuff it gets disappeared is okay in my book. I like rebels and outlaws. Careful out there, guy. If you shoot at those Nat Guard guys and gals they might shoot back. (Course, maybe that is the plan...)
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Post by decoy409 on Feb 27, 2011 11:40:22 GMT -5
krickitt, it is nice to meet you as well and thank you for correcting my screen name as it is Decoy but yes indeed I have endured threough this many other names being called.
Your understanding has a dual purpose. True to step in and fill the voids if needed as to jobs. However it is also True to step in and quell 'Civil Unrest' that may come out of this. Kindly call Wray or better yet, just stop in and see him. The statement he made is True, and several days ago he also stated protecting our First Ammendment Right. The news was silenced 'very' quickly as to the National Guard breaking up this party as it grows larger and larger.
As well I have heard nothing of the sort of 'attacking americans' as you have put it above. 'Quell and Disburse', but not 'attack.'
Another fine line to be crossed in which throughout the past I refer to as,'FOOT in The DOOR.' (yes, that is how I have spelled that line out since I introduced it.)
Are you familiar with Presidential Directive 51? It is on the books and signed in as law. Quite interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 11:45:54 GMT -5
No, what is it?? I guess I could bing it.
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Post by decoy409 on Feb 27, 2011 11:50:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 11:50:36 GMT -5
www.slate.com/id/2176185/Who Will Rule Us After the Next 9/11? The reality of NSPD-51 is almost as bad as the paranoia. By Ron Rosenbaum Posted Friday, Oct. 19, 2007, at 2:23 PM ET ----------------------------------------------------------- Interesting. Funny, though, the conspiracy type stories remain the same, but have switched from Bush to Obama, conservative to liberal. LOL!!!! Man-- I really do not want Obama to be POTUS forever.....
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Post by decoy409 on Feb 27, 2011 11:50:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 11:52:55 GMT -5
I'm too lazy to read all that. Is this where the Fema camp stories came from? I love them, really creepy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 11:56:35 GMT -5
I'm not teasing you, really. I posted this kind of stuff all over the old msnbc usnews boards during the pre- POTUS election time (and after.) Only I was posting it from a different POV, I think. Maybe.. Do you like Obama? I mean as a POTUS? I was a McCain girl, live in AZ and all that. Wanted Romney, though.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 27, 2011 12:03:15 GMT -5
thank you for correcting my screen name as it is Decoy
Did I get that wrong? I'm sorry dear sir.
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Post by decoy409 on Feb 27, 2011 12:05:26 GMT -5
I have done more than my share of keeping up for a very long time. Yes I have read it and I read the ammendments to and all the great stuff they continue to add in all the time to many,many things. That is where I get my so called, 'FOOT IN The DOOR' from. Once the old foot in the door is in play, that's when the really great stuff comes to be. So when many think that they have already discovered by announcement that such and such bill was established and now on the books, well that is when many have negligently left their guard down as, 'FOOT IN The DOOR' has been established. Presidential Directive 51 was established and the crucial part for it to be signed at anytime is 3 factors are needed. 1) Terrorist attack 2)Financial Collapse 3)Civil Unrest
When the Civil Unrest bill was signed in about 2 years ago, it was also cited to hold the media from exploting information outside the box to the majority. You may see it say on your channel, but it does not make it to the next affiliates outside of your area/state.
You are aware as well (?) that we are still on RED ALERT here in this country and as well the Patriot Act was just signed to keep it on for the next 3-6 months. And if you were not aware, you are now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 12:22:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I know all that, but not really what it means. What do you think it all means? What is coming, from your POV?? I'm not saying you are wrong, mind you I am only a few years in to politics and such. Just trying to figure it all out.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 27, 2011 12:24:07 GMT -5
Wisconsin has a population of roughly 5.6 million. 100,000 is a mere insignificant fraction of the total population of the state.
The identical situation is unfolding in nearly every single state in the US.
The party is over for the public employment sector. They need to get over it. They have written a reality check that has bounced.
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Post by midwesterner (banned) on Feb 27, 2011 12:51:56 GMT -5
Wisconsin has a population of roughly 5.6 million. 100,000 is a mere insignificant fraction of the total population of the state. The identical situation is unfolding in nearly every single state in the US. The party is over for the public employment sector. They need to get over it. They have written a reality check that has bounced. That's about 1.8%, not a bad turnout at all people. Some are too old to protest, some are children, some are unable to because of work. To get that many I would say 10 times that support that conservatively. Many support, but don't just on board until they see this movement. Now other states, taking the example of WI, they will probably see that this has be positive and we the people have a voice, and much larger than this. This is just the beginning folks, and to have almost 2% of the state show up if that number is accurate, is pretty big deal. Considering for every 1 person involved, I'd assume about 10 sit at home conservatively and silently support. I've heard from people on the ground there, and word is that people were asked to leave, and police stood with the people, and not with the orders. That's the buzz I've heard.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 27, 2011 12:57:30 GMT -5
Ahh, yes- the heady days of the revolutionary movement when baby boomers were dropping acid, protesting wars, and friends of Barack Obama- graduate students- were plotting the overthrow of the US government with the Soviets, the Chinese, North Vietnamese and others, and murder of 25 million Americans who are "die hard" capitalists that couldn't be "re-educated". It's over. We won. You lost.
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Post by b2r on Feb 27, 2011 13:08:06 GMT -5
OK, so now it's 100,000 Wisconsinites marching in Madison? I'm sure the state and local businesses appreciate the influx of capital though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 13:18:48 GMT -5
OK, so now it's 100,000 Wisconsinites marching in Madison? I'm sure the state and local businesses appreciate the influx of capital though. Local papers say 70,000.
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Post by swamp on Feb 27, 2011 13:23:39 GMT -5
Ahh, yes- the heady days of the revolutionary movement when baby boomers were dropping acid, protesting wars, and friends of Barack Obama- graduate students- were plotting the overthrow of the US government with the Soviets, the Chinese, North Vietnamese and others, and murder of 25 million Americans who are "die hard" capitalists that couldn't be "re-educated". It's over. We won. You lost. Barack Obama was born in 1961. I don't think he had many graduate student friends in 1969.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 13:25:00 GMT -5
The Gov is not backing down, and I assume the runaways will have to come back some year-- so what is the point? They can't win this one. And why are Dems saying the contracts cannot have collective bargaining for some things and not others. That is just not true, because Carter busted the federal unions back in the 70s and did just that, some collective bargaining, but not on benefits, etc. DEMS did that. How are they getting around that fact, and why is no one talking about it?
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 27, 2011 13:26:40 GMT -5
and murder of 25 million Americans who are "die hard" capitalists that couldn't be "re-educated".
And eliminate their meal ticket? I wasn't aware they were that stupid.
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Post by decoy409 on Feb 27, 2011 13:30:24 GMT -5
I am local, and the 100,000 number given is growing.
Savoir Faire, hello and how have you been! I could not agree more that the check bounced. The check comes through the lie of promise into the future for more than just teachers. And the lie should have been exposed and the people should have been told that there so called promised $cake$ was being liqudated into the system to cover shortfalls due to debt. Just maybe the people would have accepted that when they started doing it. But now to simply announce it and to have them swallow it, well that is not working out to well. The people our discussing far and beyond just that of 'Collective Bargaining.' And as they do, these protests from state to state will grow bigger and bigger as the cause is not for only 'Collective Bargaining' any longer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 13:34:29 GMT -5
So-- what is it all about?? I mean REALLY all about?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 13:59:38 GMT -5
Wow, cookie, sounds fun. If it was the early 70s I would be there screaming. I would have no idea what was going on, but I would know something was really bad and "the man" was doing it to the people. And give me a little liquid, pill, or powder courage so's I can go fight those pigs..... But that was the 60s/70s.. I would be a "pig" now, while some of my classmates would be protesters, most likely off the drugs, but still carrying the same old signs......... I love life-- when I don't hate it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 14:09:50 GMT -5
I know what you mean Krickitt. You learn some things over the years. It's really not fun at all. People that I love dearly on the opposite side of this. I understand where they are coming from so keep my opinion to myself and would not protest in public against them. I'm sure there are many more like me. It dosn't mean I don't have a voice, just a quieter one.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 27, 2011 14:18:02 GMT -5
I know what you mean Krickitt. You learn some things over the years. It's really not fun at all. People that I love dearly on the opposite side of this. I understand where they are coming from so keep my opinion to myself and would not protest in public against them. I'm sure there are many more like me. It dosn't mean I don't have a voice, just a quieter one. While I understand why the union are upset, I believe that if their wings aren't clipped a bit - they will bankrupt this country and then life could revert back to the 1930's type of living for all of us.
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Post by decoy409 on Feb 27, 2011 14:26:36 GMT -5
krickitt, So-- what is it all about?? I mean REALLY all about? Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=politics&action=display&thread=4015#ixzz1FBi5rZxuIt's about Restructure for Change. What we have is a unstable and unmanagable world of debt. And the U.S. floating $100 Trillion round and round for the past 10-11 years now. And sooner or later it would bite back. Exposure continues to what has happened and we go to war again to cover it up or we have a very big event hapen in the U.S. once again to cover it up. Or the accelerated meltdown is just allowed to continue. Ben buying up another trillion of debt in the next 5 weeks or so certainly is not going to do back here at home any good. Others want to be paid outside of the states and the dollar note is on it's last strike. IMF has warned and the U.S. did nothing but keep printing. Now the choice is made by the IMF to devalue the dollar for strike 3 since the puppet squad is unable to stop printing. All of this crazy stuff that has been put into the books as laws over the course of years and years was not put there for the heck of it. These times were known before hand. I just follow it all so I can see the changes that will occur ahead of time instead of not knowing. I called the Bond market meltdown a year in advance. I also called the pension meltdown a year in advance as well as the Commercial and Residential meltdown and the Commercial if you have noticed has been kept out of the limelight. I called the Unemployment factor and where we are now 3 years in advance. These are just some of the calls made since I started posting. I showed many,many other things as well. And while ridiculed by some when I called them, well not much they can say now. Have you ever seen this one? Quote: latoyaegwuekwe.com/geographyofarecession.htmlAnd when I follow the politics to all of this I am told that the Market and Politics have no bearing on one another by some. Why that is one of the biggest lies I have had somebody say to me yet. vonnie6200, nice to meet you. This country has been broke for quite sometime now. The one that got the closest to exposing this I would say over the past few years and has exposed much is 'William Black' and you can bet on Black.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 14:26:51 GMT -5
I know what you mean Krickitt. You learn some things over the years. It's really not fun at all. People that I love dearly on the opposite side of this. I understand where they are coming from so keep my opinion to myself and would not protest in public against them. I'm sure there are many more like me. It dosn't mean I don't have a voice, just a quieter one. While I understand why the union are upset, I believe that if their wings aren't clipped a bit - they will bankrupt this country and then life could revert back to the 1930's type of living for all of us. I think wing clipping would have been great 10 yrs ago. Now I am for plucking every feather.! "Tax to the max" is what our local union leaders have been crying here for the last dozen yrs.Their words, not mine. I'm all out of empathy.
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