Texas GOP platform includes "gay therapy"

[Virgil Showlion]

Jun 10, 2014 9:49:48 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Jun 10, 2014 9:46:12 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Dem beat you to the race card.

You both know perfectly well that I consider the analogy specious, especially since it has no relevance at all in Canada.

I'm going to follow chiver's example: We're obviously not going to agree, I've said what I wanted to to Zib, I bid you all a good day.

How the heck did I play the race card

I misread your Reply #24. I read it as "The list also has nothing on causation. I don't see Potsie telling Richie he's gay. He's hanging him from the rafters."

The actual post has no "him", and it significantly changes the meaning. In the context, I thought you were referring to lynchings.

Anyway... wanted to clear that up before I skedaddled.

[zibazinski]

I just watched Oprah interview Doogie Howser and his fiancé. Along with their kids. Very normal acting. No one pawed each other to make a point. Just two gay men raising two children. It was actually nice. Normal house, normal toys, normal behaviors. Doogie doesn't like changing diapers, the fiancé doesn't like that he has no real career like Doogie does. Sleep is hard to come by. It actually made me laugh.

[Tennesseer]

If Virgil doesn' like the race card, let me play the gender card.

There are some people who would like to turn the clocks back to the early 20th century when women were not allowed to vote.

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I love Neil Patrick Harris... Their family Halloween pictures are awesome. 

PDA are not a gay straight thing...

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Yeah and wife beating, and sexual molestation... Best keep that stuff quiet too, right? 

[Peace Of Mind]

Jun 10, 2014 9:05:12 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jun 10, 2014 9:00:30 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I would expect that, yes.

You'd expect people would want to turn back the clock to the early 20th century when homosexuality was a private matter and teen suicides were a tiny fraction of current rates.

Nice try.     Come on, Virgil.  Let's pray the gay right out of these heathens! 

Swear to God.  I know people who think that works and is trying to pray the gay out of her sister.  It's not working and they really can't understand why not because she USED to like boys when she was trying to hide it from her judgmental family a kid in school. 

[Tennesseer]

Jun 10, 2014 12:41:38 GMT -5 Peace Of Mind said:

Jun 10, 2014 9:05:12 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

You'd expect people would want to turn back the clock to the early 20th century when homosexuality was a private matter and teen suicides were a tiny fraction of current rates.

Nice try.     Come on, Virgil.  Let's pray the gay right out of these heathens! 

Swear to God.  I know people who think that works and is trying to pray the gay out of her sister.  It's not working and they really can't understand why not because she USED to like boys when she was trying to hide it from her judgmental family a kid in school. 

Our prayers are not answered when they are not according to one's higher power's will.  Winning a $400 million Powerball lottery for is one example.  Praying away someone else's gay is another.   Acing a final exam without ever most of the classes or studying for it is yet another.

[Virgil Showlion]

Jun 10, 2014 12:41:38 GMT -5 Peace Of Mind said:

Jun 10, 2014 9:05:12 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

You'd expect people would want to turn back the clock to the early 20th century when homosexuality was a private matter and teen suicides were a tiny fraction of current rates.

Nice try.     Come on, Virgil.  Let's pray the gay right out of these heathens! 

Swear to God.  I know people who think that works and is trying to pray the gay out of her sister.  It's not working and they really can't understand why not because she USED to like boys when she was trying to hide it from her judgmental family a kid in school. 

If sexual behaviour can't be modified, would you suggest that parents of zoophilic, incestuous, etc. children not attempt to rehabilitate them?

More to the point of your post: If a family sought treatment for such behaviour and the treatment was successful to the point of convincing a child not to nurture it or act on it, how would you know? By what means do you differentiate between a man with no sexual perversion and a man with a nominal sexual perversion who doesn't act on it? For 99 out of every 100 individuals that you know, do you have any means at all of determining this? And if not, under what pretense do you presume rehabilitation has a negligible success rate?

Would you expect that a nominal zoophile, etc. who was convinced not to act on his sexual attraction would announce it to the world? Would blogs, magazines, and TV shows fill up with testimonials "yes I'm a zoophile, but I don't act on it"? Or would you expect such a man to carry on his life without mentioning the perversion and any treatment his family sought for him?

I'm well aware you believe there's no need to rehabilitate homosexual children, but most here seem to have graduated to a baseless belief that sexual behaviour cannot be modified. A patchwork of anecdotes and testimonials from plainly non-rehabilitated homosexuals doesn't constitute a valid basis for that belief.

ETA: Reply #43 plainly reveals the false rationale underlying Tenn's eagerness to believe rehabilitation is impossible. What's yours?

[Peace Of Mind]

Virgil, you are confusing illegal acts with adult consented ones.  I'm not going to bite even if you ask me to. 

But I will say that you can wear that furby costume and wear it proudly with whomever you choose as long as it's an adult consenting human and you'll get no judgment here! 

[Virgil Showlion]

Jun 10, 2014 15:48:05 GMT -5 Peace Of Mind said:

Virgil, you are confusing illegal acts with adult consented ones.  I'm not going to bite even if you ask me to. 

But I will say that you can wear that furby costume and wear it proudly with whomever you choose as long as it's an adult consenting human and you'll get no judgment here! 

mmhmm tried a similar cop-out. See my Reply #21 for a rebuttal.

And if/when you move on to the race cop-out, see my Reply #29.

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Jun 9, 2014 22:47:26 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

OK- well suck ass or not it is Constitutional. 

So how are you with repealing the voting rights act and the minimum wage?  Pure pablum for the base.  Going to be funny when TX turns blue because of these nutcases.

There is a reason they call them extremists. 

I recommend the GOP sticks with the anti-gay agenda.  Sure winner.

It actually ISN'T Constitutional... and no amount of delusional "It's Constitutional because SCOTUS said so" will make that way.

Remember 4 of the Justices agreed with me. And the "tie breaker" (Roberts) surprised everyone by believing the lies of His Holiness the Emperor Obama. Everyone expected Roberts to go the other way.

There are several reasons that Obamacare fails to pass Constitutional "muster". If you can't see them... well... I can't really help you. What's next? Mandates to buy only blue cars? Mandates to only buy "American Made" products? Mandates to buy beef (who cares if you are a Vegan... too bad for you!)?

If 5 people call a rock, a boat... and 4 people call that same rock, a rock... who is right... the 5 or the 4? Majority may "win" that but that doesn't make Majority "right". The rock will still sink like... well... a rock; no matter what a majority decide to call it.

As far as the others... I thought my singling out Obamacare, and being o.k. with that one, would hint that I didn't agree with the others.

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On second thought... I think I shall comment on Minimum Wage. I'm not "against it" per se... but it is a failure in it's current form.

It should be indexed to inflation (or tied to the local cost of living) instead of arbitrarily raised by vote every time it gets popular to think about it.

ETA: the best part about it being tied to inflation or local COL... if ALL the business want to pay less... all they have to do is lower their prices! If inflation becomes deflation, then the minimum wage tied to it would also go down.

[EVT1]

The Constitution says whatever the Scotus- sorry SCOTUS- says it does. That's their job- and they should know because they gave it to themselves.

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Jun 10, 2014 19:51:32 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

The Constitution says whatever the Scotus- sorry SCOTUS- says it does. That's their job- and they should know because they gave it to themselves.

LOL... The Constition says whatever IT says it does. It's what I like to call a "document of fact" There is no doubt as to what it says... only doubt of people's interpretation OF it.

Believe what you want... I'll believe the Constitution.

[EVT1]

You can believe all day- but there is nothing else to appeal to.  Good or bad what they say goes unless you can convince them to change their minds or amend the Constitution.  Both are very tough to do.  Might as well buy that crappy policy

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Jun 10, 2014 20:09:13 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

You can believe all day- but there is nothing else to appeal to.  Good or bad what they say goes unless you can convince them to change their minds or amend the Constitution.  Both are very tough to do.  Might as well buy that crappy policy

Already did... to the tune of about $2,400 a year in federal subsidy that I DIDN'T want to waste of taxpayer money... all for "insurance" that's completely and utterly worthless.

[garion2003]

Jun 10, 2014 19:59:06 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Jun 10, 2014 19:51:32 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

LOL... The Constition says whatever IT says it does. It's what I like to call a "document of fact" There is no doubt as to what it says... only doubt of people's interpretation OF it.

Believe what you want... I'll believe the Constitution.

Kind of like the Bible. At least the Constitution was written in English!