Yet another school shooting- man disarmed while reloading

[EVT1]

www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/one-killed-three-wounded-shooting-seattle-pacific-university-n124046

     Seattle police said a man with a rifle or other long gun entered Otto Miller Hall, the engineering and math building on the campus in Seattle's Queen Anne neighborhood, and shot the four people before he stopped to reload. A student building monitor disarmed the man him, and other students jumped on him and pinned him to the ground until police arrived, incident commanders said.

This could have been so much worse.  Great job by brave students.

[steff]

1 dead, 1 critical, 2 stable...gunman in custody. 

bigstory.ap.org/article/seattle-police-least-2-shot-seattle-campus

[busymom]

There's too much of this lately.  And, the end of next week is the full moon...

Kudos to those students that held him for the police!

[steff]

And, the end of next week is the full moon...

and Friday the 13th. 

[EVT1]

Bizarre week- Canada has a worse shooting than we do.  Is our disease spreading?

Is it just me or is this just a once a week thing now we are going to get used to?

[Deleted]

Why. Why does this have to happen? Why does our current system not let us address the crazies BEFORE they do something horrifically tragic?

I absolutely hate that our legal system works this way. 

I feel so sick over this. And so traumatized for the deceased boys family and the gal in serious condition in surgery. They probably had nothing to do with the nut. Were just on campus doing their own thing and get shot by a lunatic that wants some press notoriety. Why are they targeting schools over and over? Because they are easy prey and easy access to large number of people?

So proud of the kids that took down the shooter. God, they were brave to take the shooter on instead of run. So many kids are lucky they had those hero's there. 

[Deleted]

I told you he was a known crazy. Always the same story. Everyone knows they are bonkers but no one can or will do anything about it.
www.komonews.com/news/local/Seattle-shooting-suspect-reported-a-rage-inside-262235681.html

SEATTLE (AP) - In 2010, Aaron Ybarra called 911 to report "a rage inside him" and said he wanted to hurt himself and others, according to a police report of the incident.

Two years later, officers responded again - this time finding him lying in the middle of the street in front of his suburban Mountlake Terrace home, ranting drunkenly for a SWAT team "to get him and make him famous."

The rage and thirst for notoriety may have got the better of him Thursday, when police say he stormed into a sciences and engineering building on the leafy campus of Seattle Pacific University, armed with a shotgun and more than 50 shells.

[❤ mollymouser ❤]

Jun 5, 2014 20:07:45 GMT -5 busymom said:

Kudos to those students that held him for the police!

I read an article yesterday that one of the students who stopped the gunman, Jon Meis, is engaged to be married. So people online found his open wedding registry and bought everything on it for him/his fiance ... and now there's also a Go Fund Me site collecting honeymoon donations for him.

abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/donations-pour-seattle-shooting-hero-24042109

" Soon after Meis was identified, praise began to pour out on social media sites. Someone found Meis' wedding registry, and people quickly bought out most of the wish list.

That's when ESPN sports radio producer Jessamyn McIntyre got the idea to begin a GoFundMe site for Meis and his fiancee's honeymoon and future. The site quickly went viral.

According to the page's statistics, over $26,000 from more than 830 donations has been raised as of Saturday afternoon — tallies that are expected to increase."



McIntyre said she hasn't had direct contact with the Meis family, who has asked for privacy. But she has left them her contact information. She also contacted university officials. She will leave the fundraising page up for a week, unless the family asks her to take it down.

On the donations page, people continue praising Meis. One person posted, "Only one word needed: Inspiring," to go with a $20 donation.

[Deleted]

Jun 5, 2014 19:50:27 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/one-killed-three-wounded-shooting-seattle-pacific-university-n124046

     Seattle police said a man with a rifle or other long gun entered Otto Miller Hall, the engineering and math building on the campus in Seattle's Queen Anne neighborhood, and shot the four people before he stopped to reload. A student building monitor disarmed the man him, and other students jumped on him and pinned him to the ground until police arrived, incident commanders said.

This could have been so much worse.  Great job by brave students.

Another school shooting? There seems to be a common denominator here. I wonder what it is?

[Wisconsin Beth]

Never mind, MOlly's got a thread on it.

[EVT1]

Jun 9, 2014 12:45:06 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Jun 5, 2014 19:50:27 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/one-killed-three-wounded-shooting-seattle-pacific-university-n124046

     Seattle police said a man with a rifle or other long gun entered Otto Miller Hall, the engineering and math building on the campus in Seattle's Queen Anne neighborhood, and shot the four people before he stopped to reload. A student building monitor disarmed the man him, and other students jumped on him and pinned him to the ground until police arrived, incident commanders said.

This could have been so much worse.  Great job by brave students.

Another school shooting? There seems to be a common denominator here. I wonder what it is?

Well since it can't be the guns it must be the schools.  

[Deleted]

Jun 9, 2014 12:57:46 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Jun 9, 2014 12:45:06 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Another school shooting? There seems to be a common denominator here. I wonder what it is?

Well since it can't be the guns it must be the schools.  

Or maybe neither. Could be laws regarding schools. Why would these mentally unbalanced people continually choose schools as their shooting grounds?

[Tennesseer]

Jun 9, 2014 14:15:19 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Jun 9, 2014 12:57:46 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Well since it can't be the guns it must be the schools.  

Or maybe neither. Could be laws regarding schools. Why would these mentally unbalanced people continually choose schools as their shooting grounds?

Or it could be, why do these mentally unbalanced people possess firearms?

[billisonboard]

Schools can be the site for much trauma in a person's life. 

[EVT1]

<p>Well the easy answer is most of these mass shooters target their schools, jobs, etc.</p><p><br></p><p>What I maintain with 100% confidence is that no mass shooter has ever targeted a place because there was a no gun sign.</p><p><br></p><p>That's the NRA propaganda arm looking to push the laws scaring the fuck out of people so everyone feels they need a weapon within reach 24-7.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Of course no one got my point on this- that once again a mass shooter was taken down because they had to pause and reload. The NRA stands for making sure no mass shooter has to pause and reload.</p><p><br></p><p>The local gun laws are probably directly responsible for the fact this person did not have an AR-15 with a drum magazine.  That's the facts Jack.</p>

[Deleted]

❤ mollymouser ❤ the Meis honeymoon fund is over $50K.

The SPU Relief fund for the family of the murdered student, Paul Lee, is at $15K. 

I'm not really sure what commentary that makes on us. We highly value the hero. We're not paying enough attention to the 19 year old whose life was cut off far too early. 

At least Meis saw it the same way. He asked for his fundraising to be shut off & for people to re-direct their efforts to the students that were shot. Good for him!

[Deleted]

Jun 9, 2014 15:41:41 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 9, 2014 14:15:19 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Or maybe neither. Could be laws regarding schools. Why would these mentally unbalanced people continually choose schools as their shooting grounds?

Or it could be, why do these mentally unbalanced people possess firearms?

Mentally unbalanced is too subjective to draw a yes/no line in regards to anything, IMHO of course. So I go by the statistical approach. Being killed by a unbalanced person in a school rampage is very (very) low as compared to other ways to die. It does sell a lot of commercial time for the major media outlets though. The emotional impact of children being killed really draws them in (viewers).

[Deleted]

Jun 9, 2014 20:51:02 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

<p>Well the easy answer is most of these mass shooters target their schools, jobs, etc.</p><p><br></p><p>What I maintain with 100% confidence is that no mass shooter has ever targeted a place because there was a no gun sign.</p><p><br></p><p>That's the NRA propaganda arm looking to push the laws scaring the fuck out of people so everyone feels they need a weapon within reach 24-7.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Of course no one got my point on this- that once again a mass shooter was taken down because they had to pause and reload. The NRA stands for making sure no mass shooter has to pause and reload.</p><p><br></p><p>The local gun laws are probably directly responsible for the fact this person did not have an AR-15 with a drum magazine.  That's the facts Jack.</p>

"Probably directly responsible" ? That's the facts ?

[zibazinski]

That may be. The tragedy seems to be that people knew this kid had issues but because he has RIGHTS, he was able to act out his mental illnesses. I'm sorry but we need institutions again. If we didnt piss so much money away on war and buying other countries who hate our guts anyway, we'd have money for mental health care.

[Deleted]

Jun 13, 2014 11:42:18 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

That may be. The tragedy seems to be that people knew this kid had issues but because he has RIGHTS, he was able to act out his mental illnesses. I'm sorry but we need institutions again. If we didnt piss so much money away on war and buying other countries who hate our guts anyway, we'd have money for mental health care.

Every dollar wasted on gun contol should be used for mental health facilities. Listen up Soros and Bloomberg !

[Tennesseer]

Jun 13, 2014 11:35:59 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Jun 9, 2014 15:41:41 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Or it could be, why do these mentally unbalanced people possess firearms?

Mentally unbalanced is too subjective to draw a yes/no line in regards to anything, IMHO of course. So I go by the statistical approach. Being killed by a unbalanced person in a school rampage is very (very) low as compared to other ways to die. It does sell a lot of commercial time for the major media outlets though. The emotional impact of children being killed really draws them in (viewers).

The mass murder of children by any means should draw the attention of everyone, emotional impact or not.

[Deleted]

Jun 13, 2014 12:15:05 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 13, 2014 11:35:59 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Mentally unbalanced is too subjective to draw a yes/no line in regards to anything, IMHO of course. So I go by the statistical approach. Being killed by a unbalanced person in a school rampage is very (very) low as compared to other ways to die. It does sell a lot of commercial time for the major media outlets though. The emotional impact of children being killed really draws them in (viewers).

The mass murder of children by any means should draw the attention of everyone, emotional impact or not.

I agree and it does. I would have to speculate that the upper management of most media companies feel the same way ($$).

[Opti]

Jun 13, 2014 12:37:56 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Jun 13, 2014 12:15:05 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The mass murder of children by any means should draw the attention of everyone, emotional impact or not.

I agree and it does. I would have to speculate that the upper management of most media companies feel the same way ($$).

And I think the repeated coverage probably encourages more of the same instead of less.

I remember when workplace shootings and going postal was all the rage. Now its this.

Statisically its is still a 1% or less problem if you figure the non-suicide gun fatalities are around 11,000/yr.

[Deleted]

Jun 13, 2014 13:59:26 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jun 13, 2014 12:37:56 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I agree and it does. I would have to speculate that the upper management of most media companies feel the same way ($$).

And I think the repeated coverage probably encourages more of the same instead of less.

I remember when workplace shootings and going postal was all the rage. Now its this.

Statisically its is still a 1% or less problem if you figure the non-suicide gun fatalities are around 11,000/yr.

If I'm remembering correctly, that 11,000 also includes all the gun deaths by the various law enforcement personnel performing their duties ? I also agree that repeated coverage only promotes more of the same for those looking for notoriety. I remember the going postal and workplace killing sensationalist coverage. Some larger companies still have management protocols in place to help circumvent that possibility. I think post offices still have the no firearms signs in place from those days. Not that they stopped anyone.

[EVT1]

Jun 13, 2014 11:39:38 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Jun 9, 2014 20:51:02 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Well the easy answer is most of these mass shooters target their schools, jobs, etc.

What I maintain with 100% confidence is that no mass shooter has ever targeted a place because there was a no gun sign.

That's the NRA propaganda arm looking to push the laws scaring the fuck out of people so everyone feels they need a weapon within reach 24-7.

Of course no one got my point on this- that once again a mass shooter was taken down because they had to pause and reload. The NRA stands for making sure no mass shooter has to pause and reload.

The local gun laws are probably directly responsible for the fact this person did not have an AR-15 with a drum magazine.  That's the facts Jack.

"Probably directly responsible" ? That's the facts ?

Well OK it requires an assumption- that when someone decides to commit mass murder they will want to have the best tools for the job possible. They usually do so it is a fair assumption to make.

The fact that these people get taken out on reload many times, or when the guns jam, or other pause giving a window for people to act, makes it a no brainer that we need to ban these high capacity devices.

No matter how you slice it- telling someone they cannot purchase a 100-300 round drum for an assault rifle is not infringing on their right to bear arms anymore than telling them they cannot buy a rocket launcher or machine gun. 

There is no legitimate purpose for them.

 

[Deleted]

Don't blame the gun. Blame the person using it.

If a person that wanted to go nuts and kill people couldn't get a gun... he could go into any hardware store in the country and get all he needed to make 2 or 3 dozen pipe bombs (which are actually WORSE, because they could be set for simultaneous detonation... all over the place).

And contrary to what EVT1 said... yes, "Gun Free" zones ARE a draw to people that want to commit mass atrocities. Are they the ONLY draw? No, of course not. But they are A draw. That's not "NRA propaganda"... it's just a fact (one which EVT1 doesn't like... apparently).

[EVT1]

Jun 13, 2014 19:57:07 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Don't blame the gun. Blame the person using it.

If a person that wanted to go nuts and kill people couldn't get a gun... he could go into any hardware store in the country and get all he needed to make 2 or 3 dozen pipe bombs (which are actually WORSE, because they could be set for simultaneous detonation... all over the place).

And contrary to what EVT1 said... yes, "Gun Free" zones ARE a draw to people that want to commit mass atrocities. Are they the ONLY draw? No, of course not. But they are A draw. That's not "NRA propaganda"... it's just a fact (one which EVT1 doesn't like... apparently).

Bullshit- not a thread of evidence that any mass shooters selected a target based on the local gun laws. Plenty of evidence to the contrary.

We just had some kids arrested in our state with a plan- their first objective- kill the resource officer. 

It is propaganda and apparently you believe it.

[EVT1]

If you think gun free zones should not exist- then fine- that's an argument you can make.

Just don't buy into that bullshit narrative that the NRA uses that blame them for the killings. You want to blame the shooter for it all- then FINE- don't go off in the woods and blame the gun laws either, don't blame the video games, the music, Hollywood, or any other bullshit the NRA uses. You cannot have it both ways.

[Deleted]

It's not propaganda. It's fact. I'm sorry you don't see it.


ETA: Oh, and I don't follow the NRA's opinion... if we happen to end up at the same opinion through our own independent research though... Well... sometimes things of that nature happen. Sometimes it's called coincidence. Sometimes it's called "inevitable result of separate entities following the same set of facts".

[EVT1]

Jun 13, 2014 21:31:35 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

It's not propaganda. It's fact. I'm sorry you don't see it.


ETA: Oh, and I don't follow the NRA's opinion... if we happen to end up at the same opinion through our own independent research though... Well... sometimes things of that nature happen. Sometimes it's called coincidence. Sometimes it's called "inevitable result of separate entities following the same set of facts".

The fuck it isn't.  The burden is on the NRA, and now you.  Produce one story, one study, one anything that substantiates that claim.  It is 100% bullshit.

In defense of the NRA- they use the "gun free zones" argument as a reason to change the laws allowing more weapons, never did they state that the reason a mass shooting occurred was because a soft target was selected.  So- what you got?