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Post by billisonboard on Jun 8, 2014 23:49:54 GMT -5
I would disagree. The proper way to quote a part of the Second Amendment is "... the right of the people ...". You chose to quote it "the right of the people ...". You clearly ignore the existence of those first words in your quote. While I agree with your point about the proper way to quote that, It wasn't my intent to suggest there was nothing preceding what I quoted. I inadvertently left off preceding ellipses (wasn't thinking about punctuation too much at the time, and considered that the comma in the Amendment was enough of a "break" to not qualify for the use of an ellipses). That was my error and I gladly admit to it. I can go edit it back in (I think... is there a time limit for edits on this board?), if you like (and if I can). Will make no difference in my mind for you to edit it after the fact based on proper technique now that it has been brought to your conscience awareness what you in fact stated in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 14:39:58 GMT -5
How does an unsigned post on the ILA website become "The NRA Crticizes Some Texas Gunowners" ? I'm unable to make the leap after reading the article. That doesn't surprise me. It shouldn't, the NRA has never announced a stance or policy by unsigned posts on it's ILA website. I hate carrying my 30-06 bolt action rifle while hunting bigger game in the US, even with the carry strap. It's got to be uncomfortable to carry the weapons as pictured. Think it's to make a statement ? I've never been to the ILA website and only once to the NRA website. I'm usually in direct contact by phone when the need arises.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 9, 2014 15:37:11 GMT -5
That doesn't surprise me. It shouldn't, the NRA has never announced a stance or policy by unsigned posts on it's ILA website. I hate carrying my 30-06 bolt action rifle while hunting bigger game in the US, even with the carry strap. It's got to be uncomfortable to carry the weapons as pictured. Think it's to make a statement ? I've never been to the ILA website and only once to the NRA website. I'm usually in direct contact by phone when the need arises. What a shame the NRA ILA website took down the approximately 1,400-1,500 word "post" of an NRA staffer from their website and replaced it with a Cam & Co video of NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris Cox supporting the open carry of firearms.
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 9, 2014 20:33:41 GMT -5
No doubt- they really took the side of a few asshole bullies over the majority of their membership on that one.
As I said- the NRA has their own little tea party.
And they better watch out- some of these fringe lunatics aren't happy with non-violent protests.
That's the next thing that's going to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 11:09:10 GMT -5
It shouldn't, the NRA has never announced a stance or policy by unsigned posts on it's ILA website. I hate carrying my 30-06 bolt action rifle while hunting bigger game in the US, even with the carry strap. It's got to be uncomfortable to carry the weapons as pictured. Think it's to make a statement ? I've never been to the ILA website and only once to the NRA website. I'm usually in direct contact by phone when the need arises. What a shame the NRA ILA website took down the approximately 1,400-1,500 word "post" of an NRA staffer from their website and replaced it with a Cam & Co video of NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris Cox supporting the open carry of firearms.
Even though they can remove or add posts on their own site at their discretion, it's kind of like censorship in this case. I guess the staffers are expected to toe the company line in public areas. If he used his desk computer at work to post, he might be out of a job also. Of course there is always the chance it was put there on purpose to draw in new viewers to see what's up and then be fed some Chris Cox information.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 11:16:24 GMT -5
No doubt- they really took the side of a few asshole bullies over the majority of their membership on that one.
As I said- the NRA has their own little tea party.
And they better watch out- some of these fringe lunatics aren't happy with non-violent protests.
That's the next thing that's going to happen. There are fringe lunatics in all walks of life. We had 2 twelve year old girls stabbing (19 times)a third one on the local news last night (ABC). Do you have a source on your "That's the next thing that's going to happen" statement?
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jun 13, 2014 11:17:54 GMT -5
jma23 - welcome neighbor! Beth
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 11:50:29 GMT -5
jma23 - welcome neighbor! Beth I live in North Central Arkansas, are you in that area?
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jun 13, 2014 12:05:21 GMT -5
jma23 - welcome neighbor! Beth I live in North Central Arkansas, are you in that area? Nope, I live in Wisconsin. I assumed you were referring to the 2 girls up here who stabbed their friend due to a misplaced belief in the Slenderman or Shadowman or some damn idiot thing. My mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 12:29:46 GMT -5
I live in North Central Arkansas, are you in that area? Nope, I live in Wisconsin. I assumed you were referring to the 2 girls up here who stabbed their friend due to a misplaced belief in the Slenderman or Shadowman or some damn idiot thing. My mistake. No mistake, that was the story. It was on the local 5:00 PM news from Springfield, Missouri. I must have missed the "in Wisconsin" part. Kind of like missing "Wisconsin" Beth. DUH!
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jun 13, 2014 12:32:50 GMT -5
You get a pass on the Wisconsin of Wisconsin Beth, I know at least one poster here has a reference in her name to a state she hasn't lived in for several years.
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 13, 2014 17:50:55 GMT -5
No doubt- they really took the side of a few asshole bullies over the majority of their membership on that one.
As I said- the NRA has their own little tea party.
And they better watch out- some of these fringe lunatics aren't happy with non-violent protests.
That's the next thing that's going to happen. There are fringe lunatics in all walks of life. We had 2 twelve year old girls stabbing (19 times)a third one on the local news last night (ABC). Do you have a source on your "That's the next thing that's going to happen" statement? Yep- me. My prediction. Sooner or later one of these Bundy type protests is going to end up in gunfire. You disagree?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 10:58:09 GMT -5
There are fringe lunatics in all walks of life. We had 2 twelve year old girls stabbing (19 times)a third one on the local news last night (ABC). Do you have a source on your "That's the next thing that's going to happen" statement? Yep- me. My prediction. Sooner or later one of these Bundy type protests is going to end up in gunfire. You disagree? If given a reason I'm sure your labeled "Bundy types" will use their weapons. They will probably be more effective than the usual concealed carry, small handgun response to crime. Be on your best behavior when visiting Texas. They're liable to puss out as you say, if you throw a punch at one of them. It's time that the inflexible throwbacks from the disarmed citizen years get used to the fact that those times are gone. Weak males and females now have the ability to level the playing field. Choose wisely when you want to give someone a piece of your mind, or physically intimidate.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 17, 2014 11:09:53 GMT -5
Yep- me. My prediction. Sooner or later one of these Bundy type protests is going to end up in gunfire. You disagree? If given a reason I'm sure your labeled "Bundy types" will use their weapons. They will probably be more effective than the usual concealed carry, small handgun response to crime. Be on your best behavior when visiting Texas. They're liable to puss out as you say, if you throw a punch at one of them. It's time that the inflexible throwbacks from the disarmed citizen years get used to the fact that those times are gone. Weak males and females now have the ability to level the playing field. Choose wisely when you want to give someone a piece of your mind, or physically intimidate.That sure worked out well for Michael Dunn.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 12:02:46 GMT -5
If given a reason I'm sure your labeled "Bundy types" will use their weapons. They will probably be more effective than the usual concealed carry, small handgun response to crime. Be on your best behavior when visiting Texas. They're liable to puss out as you say, if you throw a punch at one of them. It's time that the inflexible throwbacks from the disarmed citizen years get used to the fact that those times are gone. Weak males and females now have the ability to level the playing field. Choose wisely when you want to give someone a piece of your mind, or physically intimidate. That sure worked out well for Michael Dunn. There will always be occurrences of every possible thing happening. That doesn't mean the law of the land should be based on whichever one is chosen to discuss. With 30,000 plus vehicle deaths per year, you could compare Corvette or any high performance car driver to EVT's "Bundy types" as the same, just speeding around in their race cars on public roads. A killing waiting to happen. That is statistical junk science.
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 17, 2014 12:26:15 GMT -5
No science involved- just a prediction.
And BTW I don't punch people. And I wouldn't shoot someone if they punched me unless I was out of options.
And of course if I happen to be carrying- I certainly would not be a complete dumbshit and start crap with anyone no matter how annoying they may be or what they may say to me- I walk away- that's what being responsible with a gun is all about.
That's why this stupid SYG bullshit is out of hand- telling people they have the right to start as much shit as they want and think the law has their back. As Dunn found out- and a lot of people are finding out lately- it's not so cut and dry.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 12:44:07 GMT -5
No science involved- just a prediction.
And BTW I don't punch people. And I wouldn't shoot someone if they punched me unless I was out of options.
And of course if I happen to be carrying- I certainly would not be a complete dumbshit and start crap with anyone no matter how annoying they may be or what they may say to me- I walk away- that's what being responsible with a gun is all about.
That's why this stupid SYG bullshit is out of hand- telling people they have the right to start as much shit as they want and think the law has their back. As Dunn found out- and a lot of people are finding out lately- it's not so cut and dry. Where does the SYG law state that people can "start as much shit as they want" ?
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 17, 2014 13:06:50 GMT -5
It doesn't directly state it- it implies it, and in practice it works that way.
It's why Zimmerman can hunt down a 'suspicious person' and interrogate them for the obvious example- because as long as you aren't breaking any laws you can do stupid things while armed.
As long as you don't throw the first punch you can take your gun and confront anyone about anything- and if you get smacked you get to shoot your way out of it. Artificial balls syndrome.
If you look into the cases this happens time and time again- people emboldened by their guns go and start shit they normally would not. Doesn't always work but they try- I remember the other loud music case where the neighbor grabbed his gun and went over to complain about a party and shot an unarmed man in the street- could have called the police with a noise complaint but nope, going to be stupid with a gun.
Maybe I restate it to say SYG allows people to be irresponsible and dumb with firearms, kill unarmed people, and have a good shot at never being held responsible for their actions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 14:25:03 GMT -5
It doesn't directly state it- it implies it, and in practice it works that way.
It's why Zimmerman can hunt down a 'suspicious person' and interrogate them for the obvious example- because as long as you aren't breaking any laws you can do stupid things while armed.
As long as you don't throw the first punch you can take your gun and confront anyone about anything- and if you get smacked you get to shoot your way out of it. Artificial balls syndrome.
If you look into the cases this happens time and time again- people emboldened by their guns go and start shit they normally would not. Doesn't always work but they try- I remember the other loud music case where the neighbor grabbed his gun and went over to complain about a party and shot an unarmed man in the street- could have called the police with a noise complaint but nope, going to be stupid with a gun.
Maybe I restate it to say SYG allows people to be irresponsible and dumb with firearms, kill unarmed people, and have a good shot at never being held responsible for their actions.
It is not a crime to kill an unarmed person, nor the weapon of choice to do the deed. Circumstances are everything.
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