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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 22:22:28 GMT -5
www.theblaze.com/stories/vans-grand-plan-to-span-the-land-a-union-protest-at-every-state-capitol/Van’s Grand Plan to Span the Land: A Union Protest at Every State Capitol The unrest in Wisconsin has inspired Van Jones. In fact, he‘s so touched by the outpouring of support for the unions he’s calling on people across the country to protest even more. And everywhere. This week, Jones announced a plan to “rally on the steps of every statehouse in the union,“ calling it the ”positive” Tea Party moment. Not surprisingly, the plan is being sponsored by a who’s who of progressive organizations. more
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 22:23:32 GMT -5
www.conservapedia.com/Van_JonesVan Jones is a self-proclaimed radical communist activist who was appointed by Barack Obama to serve as the Obama administration's "Green Czar".[1] He announced his resignation at midnight, September 6, 2009 after a series of controversies over past inflammatory statements. [2] Jones previously served on the board of an environmental activist group at which a founder of the Weather Underground terrorist organization is a top director.[3] more
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 22:34:47 GMT -5
Man-- look at that list of sponsors!! Nah, no agenda here..... What I want to know is-- aren't the huge majority of workers that work and are not in unions part of the "work force"?? I guess "The American Dream" does not cover all of us. Like the article said-- "Francis Fox Piven would be so proud." Who do these people think they are fooling?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 25, 2011 22:42:15 GMT -5
What a great country we live in. Folks can peacefully assemble and protest without having to worry about being shot by government troops. Free speech for everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 22:46:48 GMT -5
Wow... you need a chalkboard and a megaphone to connect those dots...
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www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm"Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father's model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday." --Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist Saul Alinsky Obama helped fund 'Alinsky Academy': "The Woods Fund, a nonprofit on which Obama served as paid director from 1999 to December 2002, provided startup funding and later capital to the Midwest Academy.... Obama sat on the Woods Fund board alongside William Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground domestic terrorist organization.... 'Midwest describes itself as 'one of the nation's oldest and best-known schools for community organizations, citizen organizations and individuals committed to progressive social change.'... Midwest teaches Alinsky tactics of community organizing." Hillary, Obama and the Cult of Alinsky: "True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within. Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties.... Many leftists view Hillary as a sell-out because she claims to hold moderate views on some issues. However, Hillary is simply following Alinsky’s counsel to do and say whatever it takes to gain power. "Obama is also an Alinskyite.... Obama spent years teaching workshops on the Alinsky method. In 1985 he began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago, working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project.... Camouflage is key to Alinsky-style organizing. While trying to build coalitions of black churches in Chicago, Obama caught flak for not attending church himself. He became an instant churchgoer." (By Richard Poe, 11-27-07) Much more... I'm having fun-- are you guys having fun??
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Post by marjar on Feb 25, 2011 22:53:32 GMT -5
One of these days I'm going to have to read Alinsky. Tsk, tsk. I've been sooooooo remiss in not reading the liberal Bible.
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Post by handyman2 on Feb 25, 2011 22:58:23 GMT -5
The world gets crazyer every day. The last thing the unions need to get public sypathy is help from a communist sypathizer.
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Post by b2r on Feb 25, 2011 23:05:36 GMT -5
Pro-Union Protesters Confront Tea Partiers! ATL, GA
Pro-Union Protest (Atlanta): Is This The Message America Needs Today ...
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 25, 2011 23:16:54 GMT -5
Folks-you might want to start check in with your airline if you plan on flying soon. ALPA is supporting the teachers in Wisconsin, Indiana and Ohio: February 24, 2011 ALPA Condemns Midwestern Union-Busting Efforts The Pilots Union stands with public employees to defend collective bargaining and workers’ rights WASHINGTON — Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA) President Capt. Lee Moak issued the following statement today in response to recent union-busting campaigns by several Midwestern state legislatures: “The 53,000 members of the Air Line Pilots Association, International, stand together with the public sector workers of Wisconsin, Indiana, and Ohio and anywhere collective bargaining rights are threatened. The ability to join as a group to negotiate working conditions with an employer is a fundamental tenet of a free democracy. “Teachers, police officers, firefighters, nurses, and other public employees are the bedrock of our society. They deserve our respect and recognition for the essential work they do. Like all workers, they also deserve the right to organize their members and bargain on their behalf. “Many of the basic work conditions every American takes for granted, including retirement plans, employer-sponsored health care, the five-day work week and paid holidays came as a direct result of advances made by organized labor. Regardless of whether they belong to a union, every working American enjoys benefits won through collective bargaining. The current anti-labor backlash perpetuated by some cynical politicians ignores our history and cheapens the collaboration between labor and management that has created the most prosperous, best-educated workforce in the world. “As we have seen too often in our own industry, pay, benefits, and work rules can change, and not always for the better. But we firmly believe that any changes in employment deserve to be negotiated directly with an employer, not arbitrarily imposed by government or the courts. “We urge all ALPA members to support their union colleagues and take a stand with them for the American principles of fairness, equity, and justice.” Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world’s largest pilot union, representing nearly 53,000 pilots at 38 airlines in the United States and Canada. Visit the ALPA website at www.alpa.org. www.alpa.org/
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 23:22:03 GMT -5
www.billoreilly.com/show?action=viewTVShow&showID=2810Talking Points Memo & Top Story Obama and the Wisconsin union situation "On November 3, 2007, then-Senator Barack Obama said this on the campaign trail: 'If Americans are being denied their right to organize and collectively bargain when I'm in the White House, I'll put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself, I'll walk on that picket line with you.' But so far President Obama is staying out of the Wisconsin brawl, and there's a good reason for that. The Wall Street Journal's Kimberley Strassel writes that 'President Obama is the boss of a civil work force that numbers up to two million ... those federal workers cannot bargain for wages or benefits.' So the only thing the federal union can do is negotiate personnel matters. That's why President Obama can't go to Wisconsin - his guys don't have any union rights and Mr. Obama has not advocated for any changes. According to a new poll, 71% of Wisconsinites believe Governor Scott Walker's union cutbacks are fair, and 69% believe state workers have better benefits than private sector employees. The bottom line on the story is that cutbacks are going to happen and the power of the public unions will be diminished." Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace elaborated on President Obama's dilemma regarding Wisconsin public employees. "It would be kind of difficult for President Obama to go to Wisconsin and advocate that they have these collective bargaining rights," Wallace said, "when his own federal workers don't have those same collective bargaining rights and he's done nothing to give them those rights. Also, the administration is trying to move to the center and get the independents back, and they know one of the keys is to cut government spending. It's pretty hard to defend these sweetheart deals that the public unions have that private workers would die for." The Factor added that President Obama and his team have done nothing to give federal workers more bargaining power: "The Democrats had two years under President Obama with total control of both houses of Congress to change that. It didn't happen!"
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Feb 25, 2011 23:45:09 GMT -5
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I just had a smite button again. Whoever is playing games with me stop it. I do not intend to ever hit smite, so knock it off. Any mods out there?? This is the second time I have had a smite button for a short while.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2011 0:04:08 GMT -5
AHAHAHAHAAA, war!! BUSTED for watching Beck!! LOL!! I can admit Beck and O'Reilly inspired me to check this out-- can you??
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 27, 2011 15:58:57 GMT -5
I am sure that there are many that aren't frighten by "far left" nor "radical" nor even "Communist".
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Post by workpublic on Feb 27, 2011 16:11:17 GMT -5
The Pilots Union stands with public employees to defend collective bargaining and workers’ rights
the pilots can be replaced. i'm sure there are plenty of unemployed pilots who would be willing to work without being forced by the private sector union to support the public sector unions.
private sector unions aren't that popular with the rest of us either.
IMHO they should keep their eyes and ears open and their mouths shut. but hey, like tenn says, it's a free country and they can protest all they want.
hint: protests need broad support to work.
and there are 30+ million unemployed workers. mainly non union who don't sympathize with working folks complaining about not getting their exclusive perks.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 27, 2011 16:16:10 GMT -5
The Pilots Union stands with public employees to defend collective bargaining and workers’ rights the pilots can be replaced. i'm sure there are plenty of unemployed pilots who would be willing to work without being forced by the private sector union to support the public sector unions. private sector unions aren't that popular with the rest of us either. IMHO they should keep their eyes and ears open and their mouths shut. but hey, like tenn says, it's a free country and they can protest all they want. hint: protests need broad support to work. and there are 30+ million unemployed workers. mainly non union who don't sympathize with working folks complaining about not getting their exclusive perks.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 27, 2011 16:17:06 GMT -5
The Pilots Union stands with public employees to defend collective bargaining and workers’ rights the pilots can be replaced. i'm sure there are plenty of unemployed pilots who would be willing to work without being forced by the private sector union to support the public sector unions. And then there will be pilots desperate enough to replace them for less pay and benefits ... and then there will be pilots desperate enough to replace them for less pay and benefits..
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 27, 2011 16:20:39 GMT -5
The Pilots Union stands with public employees to defend collective bargaining and workers’ rights the pilots can be replaced. i'm sure there are plenty of unemployed pilots who would be willing to work without being forced by the private sector union to support the public sector unions. And then there will be pilots desperate enough to replace them for less pay and benefits ... and then there will be pilots desperate enough to replace them for less pay and benefits.. well damn - competition - weird concept
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Post by workpublic on Feb 27, 2011 16:21:03 GMT -5
bills,
no one is threatening the pilots pay. so your fear mongering doesn't apply.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 27, 2011 16:25:26 GMT -5
... IMHO they should keep their eyes and ears open and their mouths shut. ... It is likely a good time to crawl into self preservation mode.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 27, 2011 16:27:02 GMT -5
bills, no one is threatening the pilots pay. so your fear mongering doesn't apply. Replacement pilots wouldn't receive less pay? Don't bet on that one.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 27, 2011 16:35:00 GMT -5
And then there will be pilots desperate enough to replace them for less pay and benefits ... and then there will be pilots desperate enough to replace them for less pay and benefits.. well damn - competition - weird concept
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 27, 2011 16:37:42 GMT -5
bills, no one is threatening the pilots pay. so your fear mongering doesn't apply. Replacement pilots wouldn't receive less pay? Don't bet on that one. Well they might - who knows - but it could be more pay than they are currently receiving and the traveling public may get a lower fare - who knows - free market concept
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 27, 2011 16:41:14 GMT -5
The replacement of terminated pilots does not happen overnight-it is a lengthy process.
You have seen the problems pilots of European airlines on strike have caused. The airline is shut down-lost revenue and lost customer loyalty. And U.S. flight attendants are union members too (except for Delta). No flights without pilots or flight attendants.
The airlines may not completely shut down but there can be many work slowdowns and sick outs which disrupt flights.
Pilots and flight attendants being union members support other unions and their members.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 27, 2011 16:46:20 GMT -5
Replacement pilots wouldn't receive less pay? Don't bet on that one. Well they might - who knows - but it could be more pay than they are currently receiving and the traveling public may get a lower fare - who knows - free market concept Airlines would suffer a crippling loss of revenue from canceled flights. Do you really think the airlines are going to lower fares with the increase in the price of jet fuel? As for higher hourly wages? LOL-that would have to be decided during union negotiations with airline management.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 27, 2011 16:49:46 GMT -5
Replacement pilots wouldn't receive less pay? Don't bet on that one. Well they might - who knows - but it could be more pay than they are currently receiving and the traveling public may get a lower fare - who knows - free market concept Yes lower fares. But, of course, the traveling public is also on the down escalator with their wages so it won't really matter.
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