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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 26, 2011 20:39:48 GMT -5
Next time, these girl scouts should put on head scarves and say they are a muslim girl scout troop. Then they could set fire to the store where they are selling and no cop would bother them... You sure do hate those Muslims ed. Even Muslim girls. Geez. Went to the food store today and there were some girl scouts selling cookies outside the doors. One of the kids mother's was there too. I told her about the Georgia girl scouts and I asked her if she was required to get a permit to sell cookies. She said no that the local girl scout council contacts the various establishments seeking permission to sell the cookies in front of their stores. I don't know if Tennessee requires a peddler's license to sell girl scout cookies though and the mother was unaware if one was required.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 26, 2011 20:47:32 GMT -5
Next time, these girl scouts should put on head scarves and say they are a muslim girl scout troop. Then they could set fire to the store where they are selling and no cop would bother them... You sure do hate those Muslims ed. Even Muslim girls. Geez. Went to the food store today and there were some girl scouts selling cookies outside the doors. One of the kids mother's was there too. I told her about the Georgia girl scouts and I asked her if she was required to get a permit to sell cookies. She said no that the local girl scout council contacts the various establishments seeking permission to sell the cookies in front of their stores. I don't know if Tennessee requires a peddler's license to sell girl scout cookies though and the mother was unaware if one was required. Possible the beat cop has seven girls..all girl scouts...?
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 26, 2011 21:00:57 GMT -5
LOL! If you read my statement accurately, you should have accused me of hating cops, but like a good lefty, you saw the word "muslim", and your knee jerked exactly the way I expected...
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 26, 2011 21:04:47 GMT -5
Hey Ed Does the Black Muslim Bakery in Oakland CA make Girl Scout Cookies??
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Post by marjar on Feb 26, 2011 21:15:57 GMT -5
I think it could have been handled better.
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Post by steff on Feb 26, 2011 21:18:54 GMT -5
Hey Ed Does the Black Muslim Bakery in Oakland CA make Girl Scout Cookies
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Girl Scout cookies are made by large national commercial bakeries under license from Girl Scouts of the USA. The bakers that the organization licenses can change from year to year, though change is not common. In 2008 the licensed companies were Little Brownie Bakers (LBB), a subsidiary of Keebler, which is owned by Kellogg's, and ABC Bakers, a subsidiary of Interbake Foods LLC, which is owned by George Weston Limited.[17][19] ABC Bakers has been licensed to produce Girl Scout cookies since 1936.
my husbands company, another large national bakery, tried to get the girl scout contract when it came available a few years ago for here in Georgia, didn't happen. They went with a smaller company that would be able to dedicate production lines to the making of the cookies.
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Post by workpublic on Feb 27, 2011 9:12:27 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 27, 2011 9:22:22 GMT -5
This is the kind of thing that happens with big government. Too many police with too much power running around makes for too many police without serious work to do. Whatever happened to JUDGEMENT? Maybe there is some well-intentioned, but misguided law on the books requiring a peddler's license- but it's the kind of law that shouldn't be enforced unless someone makes a complaint. An officer on the beat shouldn't be using it as an excuse to harass the Girl Scouts-- or anyone else.
Where is the common sense? Where is the judgment? And the scariest part is that this guy has a badge and a gun and is still on the job. Someone with so little sense shouldn't be permitted in public, let alone given the power to give orders and/or make an arrest.
"I'm sorry" isn't good enough. This police department should have to have a top down re-examination of how it is using its resources, and its decision making. And if I had any say about it-- they'd be doing it with 10% fewer police-- just to help them focus on who they work for, and what their real job is. Until the next screw up-- then I'd cut the force again.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 27, 2011 9:35:45 GMT -5
Because cops know a public relations nightmare when they see one. They caved to public opposition even if they were totally right to do what they did. I was told by my council - IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A PERMIT YOU CANNOT SELL! WE CAN BE FINED! The fact that permits are required is pretty much public knowledge. So the troop leader is at fault and the parents of the troop members should bitch her out. Easier to blame the cops, better media yadda, yadda.. Ahh ed, another brilliant addition to the conversation.. This is the United States of America. It's understandable that citizens here, in what is supposed to be a free country, do not automatically think, "I need to get permission". Not everyone is so steeped in the, "Mother, may I?" statist vision of America. Some of us get up every day and just naturally assume, we're Americans so we are free to do as we please as long as we aren't hurting anyone else. It doesn't dawn on us that force will be used against a girl scout troop that doesn't get permission to sell cookies first. Time to roll it all back, and get this country back on track. Government is there to protect our rights-- our REAL rights, our natural rights. Laws like a "peddler's license" don't protect anyone's REAL rights. They protect people from "being bothered" and frankly-- you don't have a right not to be bothered by something. They give the police an excuse to harass people- and in a world where the police are increasingly under the mistaken impression they can do anything they want, and where the people with the guns lack judgment and common sense-- it's especially important to take away as many of the tools they have at their disposal to harass people as we can-- and the biggest tool is man-power. There just shouldn't be as many police as there are. This officer never should have been given the opportunity to screw up like this-- because they shouldn't have had the man-power and time to bother with girl scouts. I would like to review this department's mission, and then I'd like to ask the officer how harassing girl scouts achieves the mission? They've already just about tacitly admitted they were wrong. The thing to do next is review how decisions like this are made so that the next officer will do his job and protect the community instead of harassing people in the community whose work actually helps the community and makes the REAL job of law enforcement easier.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 27, 2011 9:47:00 GMT -5
I don't think I'm the unreasonable one to want to live in a world where the police are there to protect us, and where my kids can grow up trusting and looking up to the police. I'm a big supporter of the good police officers out there. My vision for the police is for all of us- including the police. I'm not trying to create an adversarial relationship between the police and the public- I'm trying to eliminate that reality and replace it with one of mutual respect. As it stands, I'm going to have to raise my kids not to speak to, or cooperate with the police in any way. It's simply too dangerous. Instead, I have to teach them to attempt to escape and to get to us, or home, or if caught to remain completely silent except to say who we are and how to contact us. To wit: stupidnewsstories.blogspot.com/2011/01/10-year-old-girl-arrested-for-fighting.htmlPolice State Trend: Arresting Young Children for Fighting: www.infowars.com/print/ps/8-yr-oldarrest.htmDo I need to have a criminal defense attorney on stand-by in case my kid gets into a fight on the playground? This is bullshit, and it has to STOP.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 27, 2011 14:10:28 GMT -5
Tickets and fines are just the beginning of the revenue grab. The real agenda is a growing police state- a huge prison industry now expanded to include juvenilles-- and there are cops and judges on the take. They are getting bribes and kick backs to make CERTAIN that OUR KIDS end up in a facility not for the sake of justice, but for the money. Exaggeration? I hardly think so- this isn't Alex Jones or Glenn Beck-- this is the NY Times reporting this story: www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/us/13judge.htmlJudges Plead Guilty in Scheme to Jail Youths for Profit
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 27, 2011 15:01:11 GMT -5
Tickets and fines are just the beginning of the revenue grab. The real agenda is a growing police state- a huge prison industry now expanded to include juvenilles-- and there are cops and judges on the take. They are getting bribes and kick backs to make CERTAIN that OUR KIDS end up in a facility not for the sake of justice, but for the money. Exaggeration? I hardly think so- this isn't Alex Jones or Glenn Beck-- this is the NY Times reporting this story: www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/us/13judge.htmlJudges Plead Guilty in Scheme to Jail Youths for Profit This is the update to that case, surprise, the two former judges will be serving, if not paroled 87 months in Federal lock up...one wonders what the incarcirations of the kids sent to the Juvenile prisons went throgh, attacks and more possible, Hope fully the two Judges will have room mates with mucho tatoos, lots of muscles who are lonely for company, possible named Bubba.. The youth will have their sentences, records expunged from the records. -------------------------------------------------------- pysih.com/2009/03/26/update-judge-mark-a-ciavarella-and-judge-michael-t-conahan/
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Post by 973beachbum on Feb 28, 2011 13:28:50 GMT -5
This is the kind of thing that happens with big government. Too many police with too much power running around makes for too many police without serious work to do. Whatever happened to JUDGEMENT? Maybe there is some well-intentioned, but misguided law on the books requiring a peddler's license- but it's the kind of law that shouldn't be enforced unless someone makes a complaint. An officer on the beat shouldn't be using it as an excuse to harass the Girl Scouts-- or anyone else. Where is the common sense? Where is the judgment? And the scariest part is that this guy has a badge and a gun and is still on the job. Someone with so little sense shouldn't be permitted in public, let alone given the power to give orders and/or make an arrest. "I'm sorry" isn't good enough. This police department should have to have a top down re-examination of how it is using its resources, and its decision making. And if I had any say about it-- they'd be doing it with 10% fewer police-- just to help them focus on who they work for, and what their real job is. Until the next screw up-- then I'd cut the force again. As much as it pains me I have to agree with Paul. I do think in this economy that someone did complain though. People are real tough when they feel they are paying big bucks for a store and fees and someone stands on the street and scoops their business for free. That said the cop should have enough common sense to not treat a bunch of little kids like fleeing felons. All he had to do is talk to the adult and say that the law is you need the permit from the council and you will need to pack up shop till you get it. He didn't need to scare the carp out of a bunch of little kids. That is completely out of proportion in this instance.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 28, 2011 14:16:22 GMT -5
I do think in this economy that someone did complain though. People are real tough when they feel they are paying big bucks for a store and fees and someone stands on the street and scoops their business for free. I can't say I know a lot of people that pile their carts full of cookies to begin with, but I doubt many people that have cookies on their shopping list skipped the cookie aisle because they bought a $3-4 box of GS cookies.
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Post by Thinking-long-term on Feb 28, 2011 19:50:36 GMT -5
Sounds like a candidate for Officer Friendly.
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Post by Thinking-long-term on Feb 28, 2011 19:55:30 GMT -5
Don't forget the BTK killer was a "Public Safety" Officer. Officer Friendly aint no mall cop.
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Post by marjar on Feb 28, 2011 20:11:03 GMT -5
Girl Scouts are no longer able to sell their famous cookies outside the historic Savannah home of the woman who founded the organization almost a century ago.
A complaint last year ended the longtime practice of selling the cookies outside the home of Juliette Gordon Low. Peddling on a public sidewalk violates city ordinance.
The city's zoning administrator, Randolph Scott, says he investigated the matter and tried to find a solution. A survey shows there is no private space between the house and the sidewalk. A private courtyard on the side of the house blocks an exit.
Local Girl Scout official Jan McKinney says it has been an important business lesson for the girls, which is the purpose of the cookie fundraiser.
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Post by Thinking-long-term on Feb 28, 2011 20:37:45 GMT -5
Am not sure who "Officer Friendly" is, but the name is appropriately menacing. BTK of course, was one of the most prolific serial killers in America and was only caught by his own stupid sadism and lack of computer savvy. Officer Friendly was a program designed to teach children that they had nothing to fear from a uniform some safety tips and normally you were assigned to it when you were less than perfect on your Public relations score.
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Post by steff on Feb 28, 2011 20:51:06 GMT -5
My mom happens to be a commerical property manager in Georgia (and NC, SC, & Florida), so I tossed this story to her to get the business owners/property owners viewpoint.
The laws in Georgia regarding anyone selling in front of a grocery store, gas station, or in a strip center are written to protect the property and store owners. There is a lot of legal liability for every person who walks thru that parking lot and into the stores. It does detract from their business, even if it's just a few boxes of cookies. It leaves them open for anyone to set up and sell anything outside their stores or in their parking lots...and businesses don't like that.
Now, MANY property & store owners will permit specific charity and other groups to sell things such as girl scout cookies, but there HAS to be an agreement, a permit, and permission granted for liability reasons. And these things are there because the owners (large corporations such as Kroger down to the local mom & pop dollar store) wanted them there, they lobbied and got laws passed to keep sellers legally off the property.... and those laws and regulations didn't pop up last week just to screw these specific girl scouts. They are worked into every single lease that is signed. In a strip center, a smaller store off to the side of the large anchor store is pretty much at the mercy of the whims of the anchor store. The bigger the store, the more rules, regulations and lawyers there strictly to protect the store from liability. And believe it or not, many corporations see little girls selling cookies outside as a liability and until all the paperwork is correctly done to relieve that liability, by law, the girls can't sell cookies there.
Georgia is a deep deeeeeep Republican state where the laws are geared to protect the business owners first.
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Post by tt00 on Mar 5, 2011 13:01:07 GMT -5
o please.. Yep that right there is GA finest .. NOT .. This state is turning into a real sh*thole.. They have been running off street vendors in the city too lately. Now they want to add sales tax to stuff that is already taxed by the state. I am wondering how far up the list is this state being close to broke. Unemployment is sky high.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 5, 2011 16:10:04 GMT -5
Not having ever having had a lemonade stand on the sidewalk, do the Girl Scout troops who sell the cookies out in the front of grocery stores have to have a peddler's permit? In the county I am from, if it is in a grocery store/ private property you have to have a permission from that person/entitiy. If it is on the sidewalk or on public owned property you have to have a permit or permission from the city/county.
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